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The Collapse of Arab Civilization?
American Thinker ^ | February 13, 2011 | Michael Fraley

Posted on 02/13/2011 8:35:02 AM PST by kingattax

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To: tbw2
Well perhaps it was just the times then, but there was a flowering (at least by contrast to how backwards everywhere else was) of Arab civilization in Baghdad Damascus and Alexandria, but mostly as a co-opting and unification of these great centers of learning.

Much scholarship was also done in their civilization by non-Arabs, including many Jews. Making it ironic that in the modern day they extol the bygone era yet they wish to expunge one of the sources of any claim to greatness of their civilization - that they adopted the learning and practices of older civilized people and allowed them a place in civil society as scholars and doctors and merchants - civilization.

The quote I provided was said as the Library at Alexandria burned.

51 posted on 02/13/2011 12:05:46 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Lady Jag

But yeah, the population of Egypt is mostly too young to remember a time before Mubarak, so it was a big deal when he left office, regardless of how any one person may have felt about the loss.

And the miniaturized electronics which helped us win the space race and close the missile gap have made it difficult, at best, to keep the lid on. Those poor, misunderstood despots... when the USSR fell apart, it was due to an attempted coup. Boris Yeltsin and others communicated with the outside world via the fax machines, which is what they had, and it was newly ubiquitous technology. Saved their bacon.


52 posted on 02/13/2011 12:09:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv
the music was way better.

(Plink!)I gavest thee this,
(Plank!)I gavest thee that,
(Tinkle!)And still thou
(Plinkity)Wouldst not love me, (pause)
(STRUMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!)Lady Greensleeves!

YEAH! WAY better music...you could understand the words!

53 posted on 02/13/2011 12:13:36 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: SunkenCiv
the music was way better.

(Plink!)I gavest thee this,
(Plank!)I gavest thee that,
(Tinkle!)And still thou
(Plinkity)Wouldst not love me, (pause)
(STRUMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!)Lady Greensleeves!

YEAH! WAY better music...you could understand the words!

54 posted on 02/13/2011 12:13:36 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

:’P :’) :’D


55 posted on 02/13/2011 12:28:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Just for the record, you descended into moonbat territory when you attempted to discount the re-establishment of Israel.

Except for this really huge hard to explain away evidence, please give me some things easier to deny.

I suggest the temple will be rebuilt after the fall of Islam.

Allah, as described in the Koran and the Hadith has invested himself in Mecca and Medina. If he exists, those two cities holy to Islam cannot be destroyed. Leveling them will topple the religion, unlike the God of the Bible who is not invested in places, but in people.


56 posted on 02/13/2011 12:31:35 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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To: ApplegateRanch

:’) Introduction of the wheel would make their civilization (such as it is) collapse, if that hadn’t happened so long ago.


57 posted on 02/13/2011 12:33:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: cripplecreek

But the meat is rancid


58 posted on 02/13/2011 12:49:47 PM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Jack Black
Rome was sacked, for the first time in it's long history in 410 AD.

Rome was sacked by the Gauls in 387 BC. That's why we only have the legends about its founding and no written records from before that year.

59 posted on 02/13/2011 12:54:08 PM PST by Styria
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To: kingattax
.....we are truly witnessing the collapse of Arab civilization as a whole, this does not bode well for the western world. The powers able and ready to fill the void are neither friendly toward, nor passive in their attitude toward, the Western states....

Red blooded Americans should never make a pact with the Devil to prevent one of his Serpents.
Be true.

Faust
60 posted on 02/13/2011 1:06:03 PM PST by Koracan
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To: kingattax
What Arab Civilization?
61 posted on 02/13/2011 1:52:01 PM PST by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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To: MrEdd; PSYCHO-FREEP
Allah, as described in the Koran and the Hadith has invested himself in Mecca and Medina. If he exists, those two cities holy to Islam cannot be destroyed. Leveling them will topple the religion, unlike the God of the Bible who is not invested in places, but in people.

Not to be contentious (really), but there is no known principle which proves that Allah cannot exist without Mecca and Medina. Such speculation may be true...or it may not. But there is no way of knowing.

One additional point.

If Allah is not just some mythical moon god but one manifestation of a multifaceted spiritual being (like a fallen angel--Shemyaza/Semyaza/Semjaaza for example), we have no idea how the being using the name/pseudonym of Allah might behave or what laws he is subject to (except, of course, for what we read in Holy Scripture--and there is much anecdotal evidence to support that).

BTW, based on what we see of the behavior and personality of this Islamic Allah, there is (from a Judeo/Christian POV at least) little doubt that he is indeed not just one of the fallen angels, but one of their leaders.

62 posted on 02/13/2011 2:14:13 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies ('And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?' Yeats)
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To: MrEdd

We can surely hope.


63 posted on 02/13/2011 2:17:38 PM PST by Pelham (Off With Their Heads- a Religion of Peace thought for today)
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To: Lady Jag

There was a freeper post about Soros being involved... have no idea how to find it - someone else might know...


64 posted on 02/13/2011 2:19:27 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - World Disaster Map)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Excellent and why, if you truly love American-style liberty, we must end the Green tyranny on energy and develop nuclear, gas, coal and oil resources domestically.

Cheap energy not only grows America, it stifles radical Islam.


65 posted on 02/13/2011 2:36:11 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Styria
You wrote in response to my claim of Rome being sacked in 410 AD "for the first time in it's long history" that Rome was sacked by the Gauls in 387 BC.

Good catch! I'd forgotten about that. Say, they had a pretty good 797 year run going there!

Washington DC was sacked by the British in 1814. Somehow I don' tthink we'll beat the Roman's 797 year record, that would mean we make it to 2612 without someone taking Washington.

There are days I wonder if we'll make it 7 months!

66 posted on 02/13/2011 2:42:46 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: allmendream

Zero was discovered by the Hindus (I’m a moderate mathematical Platonist, so, discovered, not invented), put that together with Diophantus’ work (for which Diophantine equations are named) and algebra is but a slight advance, which, incidentally was made by a Persian, not an Arab.


67 posted on 02/13/2011 2:44:29 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: kingattax

Like its so good now?


68 posted on 02/13/2011 3:17:54 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Salvey

Likely it was “The Closed Circle: An Interpretation of the Arabs” By David Pryce-Jones.

Absolutely the best work I have read to understand that culture.

http://www.amazon.com/Closed-Circle-Interpretation-Edward-Burlingame/dp/1566638267/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1297642106&sr=1-1


69 posted on 02/13/2011 4:15:43 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Jack Black

Beautiful post.

In addition, I have read that more and more, people in the ME are not identifying as “Arab” but as Egyptian, Lebanese, and Syrian, emphatically disclaiming their ethnicity as Arabs.


70 posted on 02/13/2011 4:27:23 PM PST by happygrl
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To: drbuzzard
There is a case to be made about Algebra originating in the Arab world, but it is also worth noting that it was from a period before Islam formally rejected rational thought.

Most of algebra, as well as the "arabic" number system, came from Indian civilization, as well as Babylonian and Greek civilization. While there were Arab contributions, most of it was in the early days of Islam, while the culture was still a hybrid of Islam and the earlier civilizations.

71 posted on 02/13/2011 4:38:23 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: kingattax

Here is a perspective rarely considered, by a man rarely read:

http://spenglercrashcourse.blogspot.com/2009/12/problems-of-arabian-culture-historic.html

and:

http://spenglercrashcourse.blogspot.com/2009/12/problems-of-arabian-culture-c_25.html

Spengler brings a unique perspective to the historical questions. He believed that history necessarily was organically structured, since we humans are, much as we like to see ourselves as rational Platonic beings.

These are just sample links. I recommend buying the book. ;^)


72 posted on 02/13/2011 5:45:58 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: Jack Black

At this point, Washington is more likely to be sacked by the citizenry than any invader. =)


73 posted on 02/13/2011 6:24:56 PM PST by Styria
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To: SunkenCiv
We think technology has progressed so quickly it's hard to keep up with.

A few years ago these people were building satellite dishes out of soda cans and now they hold the world in their hands.

74 posted on 02/13/2011 7:12:51 PM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: kingattax

Never had one


75 posted on 02/13/2011 7:13:36 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Mears

bfl


76 posted on 02/13/2011 7:15:49 PM PST by Mears
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To: Rashputin
Muslims want an empire, excuse me, Caliphate, back and wither it's Mogul, Arab, Persian, or Kurd, Muslims they'll eventually they'll keep wanting it until they get it and it is totally destroyed along with incredible numbers of Muslims............... They worship a false god that takes joy in his followers standing knee deep in blood while piling up severed heads. It doesn't make much difference what you call the "civilization" that struggles along bearing the moon god on it's shoulders and periodically going into a frenzy of slaughter against others and themselves.

Cutting thru the maze and calling it just what Islam is and about. Good post.

77 posted on 02/13/2011 8:42:45 PM PST by caww
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To: Lady Jag

Re Soros:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=260577


78 posted on 02/14/2011 5:51:20 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

Thank you. I knew his dirty assets were on this.


79 posted on 02/14/2011 10:12:55 AM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: SunkenCiv; algernonpj
algernonpj sent a link today and got me back on it.

The Muslim Brotherhood say it's against al Qaida and all of the rioting countries say they are tired of corruption and want a new democracy like the rich countries we have seen on the Internet and our iPhones. (Egyptian demonstrators holding all those iPhones proves poverty is relative).

When the people succeed, SorosCo can install his people and take control. He could control a lot of Africa, et al.

80 posted on 02/14/2011 10:44:34 AM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income... Fire the government)
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To: drbuzzard

Precisely.

Another aspect of “why they are where they are” is consanguinity and the attendant IQ and health issues. No one likes to talk about it, but if you dig around, the scientific literature is out there. All those jokes about marrying cousins in Appalachia? The Muslim/Arab world makes them look like rank amateurs. Tribalism and arranged marriages to near relatives are not A Good Thing.


81 posted on 02/14/2011 10:49:45 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: headsonpikes; SonOfDarkSkies

Yes, I have to say, that is a keeper. I’ll be adding it to my profile page later.


82 posted on 02/14/2011 10:53:44 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: headsonpikes
Well I read those links and am unimpressed entirely. Specifically with how he spoke of Christ. Just another writer expressing his own version. No wonder he is "rarely read or considered"...pretty much a waste of time.
83 posted on 02/14/2011 11:07:21 AM PST by caww
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To: FreedomPoster

You know, that really isn’t mentioned at all. In fact it’s so rarely brought up, that I even didn’t remember it until you mentioned it.

That is a pretty serious issue.


84 posted on 02/14/2011 11:57:17 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: kingattax
The Collapse of Arab Civilization?

From 7th century to what, stone age?

85 posted on 02/14/2011 12:09:43 PM PST by OB1kNOb (It is so cold today I saw Democrats walking around with their hands in their own pockets.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies; All

Yes, the discovery of oil has been very critical. The population of the Arab countries is so great relative to the available resources of food and water, that only oil has allowed some Arab states to survive with a reasonable standard of living. Unfortunately, the richest for the longest time has been Saudi Arabia which has been expansively exporting its most primative and narrow form of Islam, Wahabi, to the rest of the Muslim world. It is thus guaranteeing that other Muslims will be stuck with the form of Islam least suited to making sensible adjustments to the modern age. We are already seeing what is happening in those overcrowded countries that don’t have oil. Their only hope is that they don’t also have Wahabi Islam.


86 posted on 02/16/2011 12:06:33 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: He Rides A White Horse; All

Rome made other grave errors, like encouraging the super rich. Many of whom were absentee landlords whose land was managed by slaves and serfs who had no incentive to maintain fertlity. Our super rich send work overseas to cheap labor so they can keep their hyper inflated salaries and perks and pay stockholders enough to keep them happy. Then they wonder why we have so many poor, unemployed, and dangerous or run down areas where they wouldn’t want to live and complain that America is going to the dogs.


87 posted on 02/16/2011 12:17:25 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Rome made other grave errors, like encouraging the super rich. Many of whom were absentee landlords whose land was managed by slaves and serfs who had no incentive to maintain fertlity.

Our super rich send work overseas to cheap labor so they can keep their hyper inflated salaries and perks and pay stockholders enough to keep them happy. Then they wonder why we have so many poor, unemployed, and dangerous or run down areas where they wouldn’t want to live and complain that America is going to the dogs.

History is a brutish, remorseless teacher. People need to wake up. Seriously.

88 posted on 02/16/2011 12:22:12 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; All

“To start with tribalism is falling apart.”

Actually I would say it is not. Originally the tribe was composed of a group of people who could be communicated with by a leader talking to all the members of the tribe at the same time, thus leading them. After viewing the demonstrations of Egypt and Iran, I think the tribe has become huge thanks to the Internet, Facebook, Twitter, etc. Hopefully this huge Internet tribe will not be fooled by something so primative as fundamentalist Islam, and will embrace modern thinking that can find solutions based on science and creativity for their problems.


89 posted on 02/16/2011 12:25:26 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Hopefully this huge Internet tribe will not be fooled by something so primative as fundamentalist Islam, and will embrace modern thinking that can find solutions based on science and creativity for their problems.

You seem very intelligent, however I do not share your optimism.

fundamentalist Islam will use the Internet as a tool to spread their beliefs. They'll seize control of it, through terror if need be.

90 posted on 02/16/2011 12:48:24 AM PST by He Rides A White Horse (unite)
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