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Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental rollout
KING 5 News ^ | 2/13/2011 | King 5 news

Posted on 02/13/2011 6:33:31 PM PST by djwright

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 747; 747800; 7478i; boeing; madeinusa; rollout
Today was the roll-out of the new 747-8i. The i stands for Intercontinental. It was a great event and a beautiful airplane. We do still build some things here in the U.S. and we build them big.
1 posted on 02/13/2011 6:33:35 PM PST by djwright
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To: djwright

Okay. I love the 747, and it could just be the sound, but...that sounded a lot like arabic music.

Probably just me...sheesh.


2 posted on 02/13/2011 6:41:43 PM PST by rlmorel ("Weakness is provocative." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: djwright

Cool. What’s the difference from just a 747-500?


3 posted on 02/13/2011 6:46:13 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: rlmorel
that sounded a lot like arabic music.

More like Techno-Yiddish

4 posted on 02/13/2011 6:51:24 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
They never made the -500.

The previous model was the -400. The -8i is 19 feet longer than the -400. The first actual stretch of the 747. So it will carry about 60 more passengers. Fly further. it uses the 787 engines so it is more fuel efficient and quieter too.

And to the other poster the music was really great. Two guys on violins and a woman on big kettle drums.

5 posted on 02/13/2011 6:54:52 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: djwright

Is that the new Air China paint scheme?


6 posted on 02/13/2011 6:57:16 PM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: djwright

A few years ago I was fortunate enough to ride upstairs on one of those badboys from South Africa to London.

Very cozy and quite.


7 posted on 02/13/2011 6:58:31 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: usmcobra
This is a flight test airplane. So this is a Boeing paint scheme and it will be repainted before it delivers. Lufthansa and Korean air are the two main customers.

(and a few VIP orders)

8 posted on 02/13/2011 7:01:05 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
Cool. What’s the difference from just a 747-500?

Probably the fact that Boeing has never manufactured a 747-500.

9 posted on 02/13/2011 7:01:49 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Gamecock

If it’s a turbulent flight it can be a little roly-poly up there, a lot of side to side motion. More stable in the main cabiin.


10 posted on 02/13/2011 7:05:40 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: xjcsa; djwright

747-500

Actually, there were 4 of them built. All assigned as backup Air Force One aircraft in case of war.

They combine Boeing’s airliner building skills with Lockheed’s stealth technology.

The 500 exists.... just no one can see them....

:)


11 posted on 02/13/2011 7:18:45 PM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: djwright

I bet that puppy will go non-stop from Atl to Sydney or Singapore.

grin


12 posted on 02/13/2011 7:29:18 PM PST by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: djwright
Thanks for posting. She's a big ol’ girl. I have flown on the -400 (Cathay Pacific) and enjoyed the ride. I'd love to plant my backside in one of the -800’s seats.
13 posted on 02/13/2011 7:34:22 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Didn’t notice.

I was a late night flight I was too busy enjoying the lay flat seats. (sleeping)

I was the lucky victim of an unexpected upgrade. British Airways Business Class is very nice.


14 posted on 02/13/2011 7:43:49 PM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Army Air Corps

I saw one over at Moses Lake, where Boeing does its post manufacture test flights. It and the 787 are really awesome looking airplanes.


15 posted on 02/13/2011 7:53:49 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Army Air Corps

The 800 seats 50 more passenger and flies for $.13 less per passenger mile, queiter engines new flight controls and cockpit electronics, new wings.


16 posted on 02/13/2011 8:03:56 PM PST by ully2 (ully)
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To: Gamecock

/extreme jealously


17 posted on 02/13/2011 8:14:01 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: djwright

Isn’t this one made out of metal rather than the plastic of the ill-fated 787?


18 posted on 02/13/2011 8:14:34 PM PST by PAR35
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To: rlmorel

Maybe they need em to evacuate...


19 posted on 02/13/2011 8:28:00 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: djwright

“They never made the -500”

There was never a model designated the -500 offered?

or there was and they just never sold any?


20 posted on 02/13/2011 8:35:08 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: djwright; All
Good description of 747-8 on Wikipedia.
21 posted on 02/13/2011 8:41:08 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: NeverForgetBataan
There were plans to build a -500 and -600 to counter the A-380. They were never officially launched.

Boeing's answer to the A-380 was the Sonic cruiser. A smaller airplane that was faster. 9/11 killed the sonic cruise and the 787 was born. A smaller airplane with the range of the larger airplanes.

The -8i is set to hold on to the 400 seat market. The freighter already has a ton of orders (and did kill the A-380 freighter)

22 posted on 02/13/2011 8:51:39 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: djwright

Correct me if I’m wrong but the -8i variant has a lot of the Dreamliner 787 technology in it. No bleed air environmental system (other then engine anti-icing). Each power using component has it’s own redundant hydraulic system. Electric everything! Fly by wire. Did I miss anything? Call in ErnstStavroBlofeld -— he’s always posting those Aviation Week articles!


23 posted on 02/13/2011 9:02:50 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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To: Gamecock
A few years ago I was fortunate enough to ride upstairs on one of those badboys from South Africa to London. Very cozy and quite.

Too close in for me but I was tempted to make a cot out of the side lockers. Riding in the nose is pure bliss.

24 posted on 02/13/2011 9:06:30 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Army Air Corps

“I have flown on the -400 (Cathay Pacific) and enjoyed the ride. I’d love to plant my backside in one of the -800’s seats”
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I flew as well on a -400, on Korean Air, to Seoul in July 1997. Only a few weeks later Korean Air Flight 801 crashed into a hill while landing in a rainstorm on Guam.

Newsweek did an after action expose on Korean Air that, after reading, would have given me serious thoughts of switching airlines.

I flew business class and it was, IMHO, comparable to first class on US domestics. I was in the lower deck to Kor and
the upper deck on the return. I didn’t care for the upper deck at all. It was hot and they couldn’t seem to cool it
down.

However, my flight attendant was a young Russian girl who was “HOT” too. She could see that I was uncomfortable and could not sleep, so she plied me with little snacks and drinks all night. She was gorgeous. reminded me of Julie Christie. That made her being Russian even more perfect.

I don’t know if she was on 801. I sure hope not.


25 posted on 02/13/2011 9:10:22 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

I agree about the comfort of business class on the -400. I was jolly comfortable on that loooooong flight.


26 posted on 02/13/2011 9:13:28 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: djwright

I recall the proposed MD-12 - never got beyong the proposal stage. The line drawings that I saw looked a lot like the A380.


27 posted on 02/13/2011 9:21:04 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: djwright
Awesome has always been my favorite plane, suprised that so far there is only one photo over at Airliners.net:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing/Boeing-747-8.../1866118/L/

Still its good for a better look at this beauty :)
28 posted on 02/13/2011 9:48:40 PM PST by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Boeing and Airbus studied the New Large Airplane as a joint venture.

Basically the result was that the market wasn’t big enough for 2. So Boeing dared Airbus to build it and they did. (now try to make money on it)

Boeing’s response is the 787.


29 posted on 02/13/2011 9:50:07 PM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: djwright

It’s orderable for 5 years already and only got 33 orders. Shelf warmer.


30 posted on 02/14/2011 12:59:21 AM PST by avid (Please consider the environmental impact of not printing this posting!)
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To: avid

Time will tell. Other models have started slowly and then taken off.

The 737 was a slow seller for the first 20 years. (and of course is now the biggest seller of all time).


31 posted on 02/14/2011 6:36:40 AM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: avid

Time will tell. Other models have started slowly and then taken off.

The 737 was a slow seller for the first 20 years. (and of course is now the biggest seller of all time).


32 posted on 02/14/2011 6:36:55 AM PST by djwright (2012 The White House Gets Another Coat Of Shellac)
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To: Tea Party Reveler

It also has a new wing design that’s supposed to make it even more efficient.

I’ve seen the 1st 2 747-8’s parked in front of the test hangar at Boeing Field while driving along I-5. Impressive plane.


33 posted on 02/14/2011 6:47:34 AM PST by hoagy62 (I am a optimistic pessimist. I am positive that the world is going to Hell.)
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To: usmcobra
Is that the new Air China paint scheme?

No...it appears to be the new Boeing paint scheme. I had no idea they were changing colors. Maybe the changed it to market it TO China?

34 posted on 02/14/2011 6:51:23 AM PST by hoagy62 (I am a optimistic pessimist. I am positive that the world is going to Hell.)
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To: hoagy62

As an addendum...I went to the Boeing website and viewed the recorded roll-out ceremony. After they dropped the curtain and did the ‘big reveal’, one of the VP’s for Boeing got up and explained the paint job.

He said “reds and oranges have been a symbol for many cultures of prosperity and good fortune”. So, the new livery is designed to market to “other cultures”.

I also went through Boeing’s website and looked at the promotional pictures for the new plane. One of them showed a woman in a first class seat. She was wearing a hajab.

In the rollout ceremony, they also had several aircraft models with liveries from different airlines. One of them was the livery of the BBJ...the Boeing Business Jet.

Excuse me? They plan to use a 747 as a private business jet??? Who in the bloody blue blazes would need that much space for a private jet?

A possible answer: The regular BBJ’s are customizable. Several Middle Eastern oil execs have bought BBJ’s, including several Saudi princes. I saw a news report one time about one particular prince who demanded a special compass be designed so that no matter where he was in the world, the device would always indicate where...you guessed it...Mecca was.


35 posted on 02/14/2011 7:40:31 AM PST by hoagy62 (I am a optimistic pessimist. I am positive that the world is going to Hell.)
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To: Tea Party Reveler

“Correct me if I’m wrong “

I’ll do :-)
“the -8i variant has a lot of the Dreamliner 787 technology in it.” It’s like the Marines “the few, the good”. Only a few technologies made it into the -8.

The cockpit is based on the 787 look’n’feel and likely most of the avionics.

The engines are more fuel efficient then the good ‘ol GE-CF6. Don’t belive the ‘We used the same engines the 787 uses’ cool aid. The GEnx is not a revolutionary engine. It’s a advanced version of the GE90/EA GP7000. Nothing more, but also nothing less. The GEnx will meet the wings of the following aircraft: 787, 747-8 & A350. The only “bleed less” version will be the one for the 787. A revolutionary engine would have been a large scale “geared fan” from P&W which i doubt P&W is able to produce in the near future.

No the 747-8 does NOT have fly by wire. It still “relies and flies” on oilpressure (hydraulics) and steel ropes. It does have some electric actuators that replace a few hydraulic failover systems, but it’s definetly not FBW. Boeing call it partitial FBW. I call it classic rock solid design way behind the bleeding edge technology. So it’s more a “Electric only if we can’t avoid it”

Neither is it “bleed less”. It uses bleed air for almost everything like the 1969 747-100 including pressurization of the fuselage.

The 747-8i will have the new modern cabin design, like the 787 and the overhauled 737 since last year.

For me the most impressive advantage of the 747-8i is it’s new designed wing. But it simply lacks one thing: It’s basically a 40 - 50 year old design. Rock solid but a gas guzzler. You simply can’t built a modern fuel efficient plane based on a type rating certificate of a 60s design.

P.s. If you want FBW, take a ride on the 777, the 787 or a recent Airbus (A320/A330/A340/A380)


36 posted on 02/14/2011 1:41:36 PM PST by buzzer
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To: hoagy62

“No...it appears to be the new Boeing paint scheme. I had no idea they were changing colors. Maybe the changed it to market it TO China?”

No, reminescence to the first 747-100, which was also red/white.
P.s. Do you think that the red marked states on the maps on polls symbolize a affinity to china ? It’s a color, not more not less.


37 posted on 02/14/2011 1:46:04 PM PST by buzzer
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To: hoagy62

“Excuse me? They plan to use a 747 as a private business jet??? Who in the bloody blue blazes would need that much space for a private jet?”

Those who can’t afford a A380 as a private business jet. :-)
P.s. Al’Waeed will get both, a private A380 and a 747-8i for traveling with less luggage on shorter trips :-)


38 posted on 02/14/2011 1:48:50 PM PST by buzzer
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To: buzzer
You simply can’t built a modern fuel efficient plane based on a type rating certificate of a 60s design.

One reason I prefer to ride on the old design. More metal for a greater margin of error.

39 posted on 02/14/2011 5:04:53 PM PST by PAR35
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