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'Gay Conservative' Is an Oxymoron
Townhall.com ^ | February 14, 2011 | Star Parker

Posted on 02/14/2011 7:51:47 AM PST by Kaslin

CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, has been an annual gig for me for years. But this year I concluded it was not my place and I declined to participate in the various venues at the event for which I was invited.

Yes, the reason I declined was the inclusion of GOProud, a group identifying itself as representing “gay conservatives and their allies,” as a sponsor of the event.

And it’s the reason why some of the nation’s most important conservative organizations – the Heritage Foundation, the American Family Association, Concerned Women of America, Family Research Council, Media Research Center, and the National Organization for Marriage - did not participate.

The founder and chairman of GOProud removed any doubt on my part that not participating was the correct decision by dismissing these groups as “losers,” “clowns,” and “not relevant.”

I, of course, have been accused of being worse than a clown. The barrage regularly comes in from the left. But this is a first that I’ve had to listen to this kind of stuff from a group that postures as “conservative.”

I became a conservative in church. I thought I was doing okay in my previous life - scamming the welfare system, going to the beach, soaking in my welfare subsidized hot tub, treating sex as a hobby, and abortion as birth control.

In our culture today that views material prosperity as the ultimate barometer of success, the truth is becoming unfortunately lost that the evil man can prosper. And if there is nothing more than what is before our eyes in this world, what does it matter?

When I understood how the culture of welfare state materialism was destroying not just my life, but all of black America, there was no dividing line in my mind between “social issues” and “economic issues.” The only dividing line I saw was between right and wrong, good and evil.

The idea of “gay conservative” is an oxymoron.

“Gay” is everything that “conservative” is not.

The foundation of the world view that so-called “gay conservatives” embrace has far more in common with liberalism than with conservatism.

It’s a world view that is man-centered rather than God-centered. It is a world view that rejects eternal truths passed on from the beginning of time. Although the world view that “gay conservatives” choose to invent may diverge from the world view of liberals, their common ground is they make it all up.

And it is here where “gay conservatives” and “liberals” fundamentally depart from conservatives.

Conservatives believe that there are objective and eternal truths, not of the product of any individual human mind, that are transmitted through the generations. Culture is not like HDTV or iPhones where the newest model is the best.

These eternal truths provide the light in the fog that keeps us from crashing on the rocky shores where our base instincts lead us.

“Gay” is liberal, not conservative, regardless of what their stand may be on government spending or taxes.

It’s why, like all liberals, they use language to create reality, rather than appreciate that words have meaning that reflect reality.

So they have re-invented the word “gay,” re-invented the word “marriage”, and now they want to re-invent the word “conservative.”

Finally, we will re-invent the word “freedom” and we’ll put the final stamp on the idea that a free society, rather than being the path to truth, is the path to meaninglessness.

What individuals choose in private, and for which they bear personal responsibility, is separate from what we sanction publicly for which we all must bear responsibility.

A value-neutral government is impossible. The central battle in our country today is about values and how we understand freedom. It is a battle for our very soul. And, as we learned from CPAC, it’s not a struggle that is just between Democrats and Republicans.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: cpac; gays4romney; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; parker; starparker
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1 posted on 02/14/2011 7:51:48 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
A hyphenated-conservative anything is an oxymoron.

Conservatives aren't into group identity politics. They're just plain conservative.

2 posted on 02/14/2011 7:53:55 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Kaslin
Beat you ... by seconds.
3 posted on 02/14/2011 7:54:30 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Kaslin

Until we succeed in getting smaller government, those of us who want smaller government had better quit this sniping at each other, or we will have larger government and no freedom. Either we hang together, or we hang separately.


4 posted on 02/14/2011 7:56:07 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Kaslin

Bravo, Star! CPAC’s acceptance of this group should have drawn fire from all conservatives.


5 posted on 02/14/2011 7:57:58 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Kaslin

This is absolutely true. You cannot be promoting the homosexual agenda and be a Conservative. They are mutually exclusive.


6 posted on 02/14/2011 7:59:05 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: skeeter

I generally agree. Here’s my observation about this particular issue:

There are no homosexual conservatives. HOWEVER, there ARE homosexuals with right-leaning tendencies.

What I mean by this is that our operational definition of conservatism is a school of thought that does not support or allow for homosexuality. In practice, though, there are homosexuals who have some ideas that are similar to what conservatives believe and want.

I have homosexual friends who would prefer less government involvement, fiscal responsibility, a reduction in federal mandates, and a host of other concerns that are similar to my own.

That does not make them conservative, though, as they believe in and practice something that is antithetical to one of the bedrock principles of conservatism. I do not and will not approve of their homosexuality, but I am glad they believe in at least some of the things I do. Better they’re on our side on those issues than the side of the progressives. If only they would VOTE.

But they should NEVER be counted as the face of the conservative movement, because when it comes to PRACTICE, they do not perpetuate the conservative movement.


7 posted on 02/14/2011 8:01:36 AM PST by HushTX (If the best defense is a good offense, it's a good thing I'm really offensive.)
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To: Kaslin
So...I'd say that Coulter didn't get the memo?

Ann Coulter at CPAC: Gays are natural conservatives

8 posted on 02/14/2011 8:03:02 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: freedomwarrior998

But you can promote Conservatism and be a practicing homesexual.

It’s time we stop worring about who consenting adults are screwing in their bedrooms and worry more about the screwing we are all getting from Obama.


9 posted on 02/14/2011 8:04:11 AM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: Kaslin

Let us not forget this wisdom from Ronald Reagan:

The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally — not a 20 percent traitor.


10 posted on 02/14/2011 8:05:00 AM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: Kaslin

Yep, just another Trojan horse meant to destroy conservatism. I’m surprised at the number of conservatives who are fooled by it. They wouldn’t be if a bunch of prancing fairies came along and announced they were “right-wing communists.” But “gay conservatives?”... no problemo.


11 posted on 02/14/2011 8:05:28 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: skeeter

Simply put, “conservatives” promote traditional Americanism.
This inherently includes the traditional family, because the family is the basis of any civilized culture.


12 posted on 02/14/2011 8:05:28 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: Kaslin

Social issues are not economic issues. What type of conservative is this article talking about?


13 posted on 02/14/2011 8:07:09 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Kaslin

At this rate, the Tea Party will become the haven for true Conservatives & the GOP will become a joke beyond what they are displaying today.


14 posted on 02/14/2011 8:07:39 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Kaslin

The premise is faulty. A person can be “gay” without being part of the gay rights movement, or associated with “gay causes”.

Saying there are no gay conservatives is akin to saying there are no black conservative simply because black organizations are almost all liberal political organizations which fight against conservative causes.

That analogy only extends to the concept of attaching to the name the organizations which carry it, not to the underlying and obvious difference between a person being “gay” and a person being “black”.

It has yet to be proven that being “gay” is not in the end a choice (again, to be clear, being “gay” is not the same as acting “gay” — one always has the choice of action, regardless of one’s “proclivities”).

I have no trouble believing that men who believe they are attracted to other men could also hold to conservative principles, any more than I believe that men who have any attraction to any sin could also have conservative principles.

I don’t think that this principle, as I have narrowly defined it, is a controversal one, even among the conservative activists. I think the problem is that we are using the term “gay conservative” as a placeholder for the more accurate “conservative gay activist”.

I would agree that it is unlikely that a gay activist will also be a conservative, because in my opinion the principles of conservatism would speak against the idea that a person’s sexual characteristics were of interest or concern of the government, or that they should receive special or disparate treatment.

But if we misuse terms, we once again appear to be defining “conservative” membership down to a small minority of the population.We exclude people of certain faiths, we exclude people of certain national origins, we exclude people of certain sexual orientations, we exclude and exclude and exclude, and eventually we have a dozen people in a room, looking at each other, and trying to find some other defining characteristic that 11 of them can use to get rid of the 12th.

I’ve got little use for gay political organizations like Log Cabin or GOProud; but I’m not ready to write off every person who is afflicted with the sin of same-sex attraction, regardless of whether they practice that sin or not.


15 posted on 02/14/2011 8:08:36 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Kaslin
"When I understood how the culture of welfare state materialism was destroying not just my life, but all of black America, there was no dividing line in my mind between “social issues” and “economic issues.” The only dividing line I saw was between right and wrong, good and evil."

But, but, you're not allowed to see in black and white, only Green. This is America, where they, (phychologists, teachers, professors, elites), tell us there is no "right" or "wrong" answer to questions of morality, that everything is subjective, and that everyone has their own valid "truth". You need some remedial cultural teaching immediately. I suggust you hook up with a good therapist and tell him you're a sick person, because you actually believe you can determine the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, and that you believe in..... dare I say it......God. Next thing ya know, you'll start thinking that global warming is an Al Gore business venture.

16 posted on 02/14/2011 8:10:32 AM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: skeeter; Kaslin
Yes. Conservatives promote our commonality, not our diverse interests. I hate hyphenating anything for purposes of identity. We are Conservative Americans. Nothing else. We don't consider race, gender, sexual preference or any other special interest groupthink. If you share my ideology, then you and I are aligned. I don't care about any other factor, politically.
17 posted on 02/14/2011 8:10:41 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Well said!


18 posted on 02/14/2011 8:10:48 AM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t see why “gay conservative” is an oxymoron anymore than “black conservative” or “Catholic conservative” or “atheist conservative.” Conservatism is not defined by Star’s religious views.


19 posted on 02/14/2011 8:12:22 AM PST by Chiltepe
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To: Daveinyork
Then you don't want GOProud hanging around. The current ambition is for the government to protect the gays from criticism and that requires BIG GOVERNMENT ~ big abusive government to be specific.

So, no thanks, the gay crowd are not willing to go along with all the demands "smaller government" places on them.

20 posted on 02/14/2011 8:16:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: HushTX
IMO any time a person uses an adjective to qualify their conservatism (in a political/public sense) they are implying that government, or the public, has some sort of obligation or role related to that adjective that no true conservative believes they should have.

Anyone who truly shares the basic tenents of conservatism without qualification is a welcome vote, private lives aside.

21 posted on 02/14/2011 8:17:30 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Chiltepe
Conservatism is not defined by Star’s religious views.

You totally miss the point. Star doesn't want conservatism defined by 'her' anything. She's a conservative, no adjective or hyphenation necessary.

However, GOProud is the one attempting to define conservatism and create disunity. It exists solely to put an adjective/hyphenation to conservatism and DEFINE conservatism as "anything goes" from a sexuality standpoint. Nah baby nah.

22 posted on 02/14/2011 8:18:35 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Kaslin
“Gay” is everything that “conservative” is not.

Objectively looking at that statement in terms of truism, the statement is not true. Socially, of course it is. On economic issues, issues of national security, border control, taxation and size of government, there certainly are gays that hold a conservative view.

The question becomes, is conformity on social issues required to hold other conservative views?

23 posted on 02/14/2011 8:19:48 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience.)
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To: Chiltepe
The first problem with GOProud is it seeks only to desensitize Conservatives to homosexuality. THEY never go out to other organizations and seek to desensitize homosexuals to Conservatism.

They engage in a one way process ~ and we are on the wrong end of it.

24 posted on 02/14/2011 8:20:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: MindBender26

I don’t really care if a conservative is rump-riding in his bedroom. That’s his business.

I *do* care when the aforementioned rump-rider calls himself a conservative but is pushing a liberal gay-friendly agenda of gay “marriage,” gay “education” in our schools, etc.

There is a world of difference between “conservative who happens to be gay” and the GOProud-style “gay conservative.” The former has his conservatism as more important and that’s fine. The latter has his gayness as more important and that’s NOT fine.

}:-)4


25 posted on 02/14/2011 8:21:19 AM PST by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: HushTX
"But they should NEVER be counted as the face of the conservative movement, because when it comes to PRACTICE, they do not perpetuate the conservative movement."

When it comes to practice, all they perpetuate is sin, HIV and a host of other STDs, suicides, alcohol and drug abuse, partner abuse, an aggressive agenda to teach their filth to our children as "sex ed", a desire to destroy the institution of marriage by co-habiting and demanding society call them 'married', take our tax dollars to research the disease they created and perpetuate..AIDS, and I could go on and on. Who on earth would want to call these twisted, vile people "friends"? Simply because they want to live in a economically sound country doesn't mean they have 'conservative leanings', it just means they're perverts who want to live in comfort.

Unfortunately, the term "conservative" has bastardized itself into the realm of economics, of which is it has nothing to do with. It's just another sleazy way for liberals and progressives to put up a facade. "I'm a raving sexual deviate, but I want less government and less spending, (just so long as they don't spend less on AIDS), so I'm a conservative". barf

26 posted on 02/14/2011 8:21:36 AM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: muawiyah

” gay crowd are not willing to go along with all the demands “smaller government” places on them. “

Neither are a lot of people on this board who call themselves conservatives.

You’ve made a generalization about gays in general, and most are for bigger government, or vote for bigger government because of a prejudice against Republicans and conservatives. What about the gays who were at CPAC? And what about the so-called conservatives? Which group believes in smaller government, and which group wants bigger government?


27 posted on 02/14/2011 8:23:04 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

Folks who want the government to provide special protection to gay people necessarily want “bigger government” ~


28 posted on 02/14/2011 8:25:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Special protection from what?


29 posted on 02/14/2011 8:26:34 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork
Why don't you start by telling us what you don't like about "straight society"?

We'll work it from that angle, OK?

30 posted on 02/14/2011 8:28:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: gunsequalfreedom
If you are suggesting that conservatism is solely economic issues that is a recipe for failure.

The only winning formula for conservatism in the United States is Ronald Maximus Reagan's Three-Legged-Stool. Social issues are just as important as the fiscal and national defense ones. If libertarians try to pogo-stick on only one, it ain't gonna work.

31 posted on 02/14/2011 8:29:12 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Kaslin

I’m jusr a poor, unsaved, ingnorant Jew. Maybe someone can explain what your Jesus meant when he said, “He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.”

And what about all those Old Testement commandments that are no longer valid? Like eating ham? How come that is OK, but buggery is not?


32 posted on 02/14/2011 8:29:12 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Kaslin

Amen!


33 posted on 02/14/2011 8:30:48 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (" . . . HaShem, HaShem, 'Qel rachum vechanun, 'erekh 'appayim verav-chesed ve'emet!")
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To: muawiyah

“Why don’t you start by telling us what you don’t like about “straight society”?
We’ll work it from that angle, OK? “

I’m straight, I’m a Jew, and I think buggery is a sin. I’m also an American, and I believe in small Constitutional government and individual freedom. What’s your problem with smaller government?


34 posted on 02/14/2011 8:31:30 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Kaslin
I'll stand with Star and JimRob, regardless of the heat I've taken from others on FR regarding this issue.

If you support the homosexual agenda you are anti-Constitution and you'll get the zot from FR!

35 posted on 02/14/2011 8:32:56 AM PST by OB1kNOb (It is so cold today I saw Democrats walking around with their hands in their own pockets.)
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To: LibWhacker

Communists are the antithesis of capitalists. Conservatives are capitalists, hence they cannot be communist.

Whereas gays are not the best conservatives, for they practice something that is an affront to G-d. They can, however, be conservative in all the other ways that make conservatives conservative. Gays can be capitalists, as it is not mutually exclusive. Gays can also be anti-abortionists. Gays can also want small government and low taxes. Gays can also be pro-economic growth.

Communists, however, can’t be any of the above as G-d is not recognized, the state must be all-encompassing, and all economic growth must come from the state.


Just how many of us have no sins before G-d? Gays sin before G-d, but that does not keep them from his graces... any more than it keeps anyone who has sinned before G-d from his graces.

That said, they do continue to sin nonstop, so it’ll catch up to them... eventually. Well, unless they are Catholic and give a heartfelt deathbed confession.

Then they’re heading to the pearly gates...

:-P


36 posted on 02/14/2011 8:36:04 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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37 posted on 02/14/2011 8:36:58 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Kaslin
"What individuals choose in private, and for which they bear personal responsibility, is separate from what we sanction publicly for which we all must bear responsibility. "

Well-thought, well-said.

38 posted on 02/14/2011 8:38:13 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The Bible tells me so.)
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To: Moose4

Nicely said...

;-P


39 posted on 02/14/2011 8:39:08 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Daveinyork
They don't need a sexual identity group in order to vote. They need it to push their agenda. And their agenda is NOT Conservative.
40 posted on 02/14/2011 8:39:22 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: OB1kNOb
There are clearly differing opinions of what it means to "support the homosexual agenda" as has been demonstrated repeatedly in all these threads.

In my opinion anyone who is opposed to homosexual marriage and who is opposed to tax dollars being used to advocate homosexuality (especially in the education system) is opposed to that agenda.

41 posted on 02/14/2011 8:40:06 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Who's Damaged America More? (a) Al Qaeda (b) Wall Street Investment Bankers)
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To: Daveinyork
I have no problem with smaller government and advocate for it every day.

Your homosexual buddies want special protection from that government ~ which always means AN EXPANSION OF THE POLICE POWERS and greater use of the courts to beat down private individuals who they believe have violated the provisions of the "special protection".

Expansion of police powers is a growth in government ~ the antithesis of smaller and more limited government.

BTW, what's that got to do with being Jewish? Am I supposed to believe that people who have an ancient tradition of intrusive congregational regulation (really small government BTW) can't be advocates of smaller government?

42 posted on 02/14/2011 8:41:09 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Daveinyork
Until we succeed in getting smaller government, those of us who want smaller government had better quit this sniping at each other, or we will have larger government and no freedom. Either we hang together, or we hang separately.

You make the breathtakingly false assumption that GOProud is a group of conservatives. They are not. Allow infiltration of alleged "fiscal conservatives" like this, and you will have blatant, total Leftism in the end.

"Conservatism" can't be parsed. Either you are conservative in all areas, or the word has no real meaning.

43 posted on 02/14/2011 8:42:47 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: K-Stater
They are not "natural" Conservatives. GOProud has a legislative agenda that has everything to do with special rights. That is NOT Conservative.

Christopher Barron, GOProud Chairman of the Board: "We are a gay organization, we only work on gay issues, we have never claimed otherwise. My God people." Aug 4, 2010; 4:04pm

44 posted on 02/14/2011 8:43:36 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: brownsfan
Explain to me why they need a sexually identified group in order to vote.

They don't. They need it to PUSH THEIR AGENDA.

45 posted on 02/14/2011 8:44:57 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: muawiyah
The queers know that if they can get a queer agenda plank in the GOP platform, they can destroy the party.

If it was a good idea libertarians would win national elections, it isn't, and they don't!

46 posted on 02/14/2011 8:46:59 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: gogogodzilla
Just how many of us have no sins before G-d? Gays sin before G-d, but that does not keep them from his graces... any more than it keeps anyone who has sinned before G-d from his graces.

Do you revel in your sin, saying that it is not sin, and demand that others do so too? If you are a thief, do you have "thief-pride" parades and try to undo laws against theft? Do you bully and disparage family and friends because they don't agree with your newfound "freedom" to be a thief?

There's all the difference.

47 posted on 02/14/2011 8:47:02 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I think what Star is writing about, is very much focused on gay-political-agenda groups like GOProud and Log Cabin Republicans.

People who struggle with same-sex attractions are not politically problematic: we all have our struggles to live justly and decently with our particular temptations. That doesn't mean we start groups like "Adulterers Proud" or "Serial Divorcers Come Out!"

Star Parker isn't asking for a test to determine who is "privately" afflicted with a disordered sex drive, and who is not. She's drawing the line at the advocacy groups.

48 posted on 02/14/2011 8:47:16 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (In theory. there's no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra)
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To: Kaslin

“gay” means happy, joyous, which these people certainly are not. They are homosexuals, not “gay”. My sister’s name is Gay and she was born in 1949. It’s a shame that her beautiful name is so disparaged.


49 posted on 02/14/2011 8:48:24 AM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: Chiltepe

Because sexual identity politics only serves to push an agenda. Homosexuals can vote anyway they choose. They don’t need a sexually identified group to do so. But they do need it to push their agenda.


50 posted on 02/14/2011 8:48:57 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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