Skip to comments.'Gay Conservative' Is an Oxymoron
Posted on 02/14/2011 7:51:47 AM PST by Kaslin
CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, has been an annual gig for me for years. But this year I concluded it was not my place and I declined to participate in the various venues at the event for which I was invited.
Yes, the reason I declined was the inclusion of GOProud, a group identifying itself as representing gay conservatives and their allies, as a sponsor of the event.
And its the reason why some of the nations most important conservative organizations the Heritage Foundation, the American Family Association, Concerned Women of America, Family Research Council, Media Research Center, and the National Organization for Marriage - did not participate.
The founder and chairman of GOProud removed any doubt on my part that not participating was the correct decision by dismissing these groups as losers, clowns, and not relevant.
I, of course, have been accused of being worse than a clown. The barrage regularly comes in from the left. But this is a first that Ive had to listen to this kind of stuff from a group that postures as conservative.
I became a conservative in church. I thought I was doing okay in my previous life - scamming the welfare system, going to the beach, soaking in my welfare subsidized hot tub, treating sex as a hobby, and abortion as birth control.
In our culture today that views material prosperity as the ultimate barometer of success, the truth is becoming unfortunately lost that the evil man can prosper. And if there is nothing more than what is before our eyes in this world, what does it matter?
When I understood how the culture of welfare state materialism was destroying not just my life, but all of black America, there was no dividing line in my mind between social issues and economic issues. The only dividing line I saw was between right and wrong, good and evil.
The idea of gay conservative is an oxymoron.
Gay is everything that conservative is not.
The foundation of the world view that so-called gay conservatives embrace has far more in common with liberalism than with conservatism.
Its a world view that is man-centered rather than God-centered. It is a world view that rejects eternal truths passed on from the beginning of time. Although the world view that gay conservatives choose to invent may diverge from the world view of liberals, their common ground is they make it all up.
And it is here where gay conservatives and liberals fundamentally depart from conservatives.
Conservatives believe that there are objective and eternal truths, not of the product of any individual human mind, that are transmitted through the generations. Culture is not like HDTV or iPhones where the newest model is the best.
These eternal truths provide the light in the fog that keeps us from crashing on the rocky shores where our base instincts lead us.
Gay is liberal, not conservative, regardless of what their stand may be on government spending or taxes.
Its why, like all liberals, they use language to create reality, rather than appreciate that words have meaning that reflect reality.
So they have re-invented the word gay, re-invented the word marriage, and now they want to re-invent the word conservative.
Finally, we will re-invent the word freedom and well put the final stamp on the idea that a free society, rather than being the path to truth, is the path to meaninglessness.
What individuals choose in private, and for which they bear personal responsibility, is separate from what we sanction publicly for which we all must bear responsibility.
A value-neutral government is impossible. The central battle in our country today is about values and how we understand freedom. It is a battle for our very soul. And, as we learned from CPAC, its not a struggle that is just between Democrats and Republicans.
Conservatives aren't into group identity politics. They're just plain conservative.
Until we succeed in getting smaller government, those of us who want smaller government had better quit this sniping at each other, or we will have larger government and no freedom. Either we hang together, or we hang separately.
Bravo, Star! CPAC’s acceptance of this group should have drawn fire from all conservatives.
This is absolutely true. You cannot be promoting the homosexual agenda and be a Conservative. They are mutually exclusive.
I generally agree. Here’s my observation about this particular issue:
There are no homosexual conservatives. HOWEVER, there ARE homosexuals with right-leaning tendencies.
What I mean by this is that our operational definition of conservatism is a school of thought that does not support or allow for homosexuality. In practice, though, there are homosexuals who have some ideas that are similar to what conservatives believe and want.
I have homosexual friends who would prefer less government involvement, fiscal responsibility, a reduction in federal mandates, and a host of other concerns that are similar to my own.
That does not make them conservative, though, as they believe in and practice something that is antithetical to one of the bedrock principles of conservatism. I do not and will not approve of their homosexuality, but I am glad they believe in at least some of the things I do. Better they’re on our side on those issues than the side of the progressives. If only they would VOTE.
But they should NEVER be counted as the face of the conservative movement, because when it comes to PRACTICE, they do not perpetuate the conservative movement.
But you can promote Conservatism and be a practicing homesexual.
It’s time we stop worring about who consenting adults are screwing in their bedrooms and worry more about the screwing we are all getting from Obama.
Let us not forget this wisdom from Ronald Reagan:
The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally not a 20 percent traitor.
Yep, just another Trojan horse meant to destroy conservatism. I’m surprised at the number of conservatives who are fooled by it. They wouldn’t be if a bunch of prancing fairies came along and announced they were “right-wing communists.” But “gay conservatives?”... no problemo.
Simply put, “conservatives” promote traditional Americanism.
This inherently includes the traditional family, because the family is the basis of any civilized culture.
Social issues are not economic issues. What type of conservative is this article talking about?
At this rate, the Tea Party will become the haven for true Conservatives & the GOP will become a joke beyond what they are displaying today.
The premise is faulty. A person can be “gay” without being part of the gay rights movement, or associated with “gay causes”.
Saying there are no gay conservatives is akin to saying there are no black conservative simply because black organizations are almost all liberal political organizations which fight against conservative causes.
That analogy only extends to the concept of attaching to the name the organizations which carry it, not to the underlying and obvious difference between a person being “gay” and a person being “black”.
It has yet to be proven that being “gay” is not in the end a choice (again, to be clear, being “gay” is not the same as acting “gay” — one always has the choice of action, regardless of one’s “proclivities”).
I have no trouble believing that men who believe they are attracted to other men could also hold to conservative principles, any more than I believe that men who have any attraction to any sin could also have conservative principles.
I don’t think that this principle, as I have narrowly defined it, is a controversal one, even among the conservative activists. I think the problem is that we are using the term “gay conservative” as a placeholder for the more accurate “conservative gay activist”.
I would agree that it is unlikely that a gay activist will also be a conservative, because in my opinion the principles of conservatism would speak against the idea that a person’s sexual characteristics were of interest or concern of the government, or that they should receive special or disparate treatment.
But if we misuse terms, we once again appear to be defining “conservative” membership down to a small minority of the population.We exclude people of certain faiths, we exclude people of certain national origins, we exclude people of certain sexual orientations, we exclude and exclude and exclude, and eventually we have a dozen people in a room, looking at each other, and trying to find some other defining characteristic that 11 of them can use to get rid of the 12th.
I’ve got little use for gay political organizations like Log Cabin or GOProud; but I’m not ready to write off every person who is afflicted with the sin of same-sex attraction, regardless of whether they practice that sin or not.
But, but, you're not allowed to see in black and white, only Green. This is America, where they, (phychologists, teachers, professors, elites), tell us there is no "right" or "wrong" answer to questions of morality, that everything is subjective, and that everyone has their own valid "truth". You need some remedial cultural teaching immediately. I suggust you hook up with a good therapist and tell him you're a sick person, because you actually believe you can determine the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, and that you believe in..... dare I say it......God. Next thing ya know, you'll start thinking that global warming is an Al Gore business venture.
I don’t see why “gay conservative” is an oxymoron anymore than “black conservative” or “Catholic conservative” or “atheist conservative.” Conservatism is not defined by Star’s religious views.
So, no thanks, the gay crowd are not willing to go along with all the demands "smaller government" places on them.
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