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'Gay Conservative' Is an Oxymoron
Townhall.com ^ | February 14, 2011 | Star Parker

Posted on 02/14/2011 7:51:47 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Star understands.


101 posted on 02/14/2011 9:36:53 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: skeeter

yeah


103 posted on 02/14/2011 9:39:22 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork; fluffdaddy
Are we to change estate law to say that one can will one’s property anywhere, except to one that one has buggerred?

Homosexuals can leave their money and property to whomever they please now. They can also get power of attorney so their "friend" can speak for them. What they WANT is to make peopel recognize a "marriage" . And they are trying to use the force of government to do it.

104 posted on 02/14/2011 9:40:17 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Daveinyork

NONE of that is the point. They can do that NOW. They want to force people to accept “domestic partners”. In other words homosexual “marriage”. What about that don’t you get?


105 posted on 02/14/2011 9:41:56 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“Homosexuals can leave their money and property to whomever they please now. They can also get power of attorney so their “friend” can speak for them. What they WANT is to make peopel recognize a “marriage” . And they are trying to use the force of government to do it. “

I’m sure most do. I’m also sure from reading the GOProud platform, that they don’t, unless they are lying in their platform. I have no evidence of that.


106 posted on 02/14/2011 9:44:54 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: DJ MacWoW
Telling them they are not conservative is de facto telling them to not vote conservative.

If they are not conservative why would they vote conservative?

So can someone unmarried and cohabitating, or engaged in frequent premarital sex ALSO not be a conservative?

I agree that a group “Premarital-sex Conservatives” would not be advocating a conservative position, based solely on sexual practices; but outside the ‘politically active premarital sexualist’ - can they be conservative?

107 posted on 02/14/2011 9:45:11 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Daveinyork

Anyone can leave private property to anyone they choose. That is yet another matter not in dispute.

What is very much in dispute is the question of whether benefits that flow to a spouse must also flow to a homosexual partner. Should it be unlawful for an employer or the government to pay survivors benefits to a spouse and not to any other kind of partner? Making it so means using government power to force us all accept homosexual relationships and allocate funds accordingly. It would be the antithesis of limited government. This really isn’t rocket science.


108 posted on 02/14/2011 9:46:21 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: Daveinyork
Until we succeed in getting smaller government, those of us who want smaller government had better quit this sniping at each other, or we will have larger government and no freedom. Either we hang together, or we hang separately.

If homosexuals believe in smaller government, they can vote with candidates who also believe in smaller government whether those candidates believe in the homosexual agenda or not. If they believe in smaller government but want to vote for big government liberals because they support the homosexual agenda, then that's their prerogative. It begs the question, however, of whether they are really "conservatives".

109 posted on 02/14/2011 9:47:21 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: DJ MacWoW

The point in question merely recognizes that private accounts would enable them to will them to their parners, as they can with all other private property, or that which you big government types would not take in inheritance taxes.


110 posted on 02/14/2011 9:47:40 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Kaslin
Being conservative is not groinal..
If you are gay keep it to yourself, who is to know?..
The conservative movement should be "Don't ask, don't tell"..

And for heavens sake don't start a group to advertise the fact..
A "conservative gay group" has dingle berries on their politics..

111 posted on 02/14/2011 9:51:02 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Prokopton

“It begs the question, however, of whether they are really “conservatives”. “

If you even need to ask that question, then the liberals have succeeded in splitting us up, and will win.

I am tired of politicians claiming to be conservatives, getting elected and giving us ever bigger and more expensive government. At this point, if you are for Constitutional government you are a conservative. If you are not, then you are not.


112 posted on 02/14/2011 9:51:26 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork
Keeping to the same standards of ethics for 2000 years--namely the 10 Commandments, and the sexual ethics of the Old Testament, after a vision from God, Jesus' teachings, and a council of the Apostles, is hardly arbitrarily "picking and choosing" which laws to follow.

The Kosher (dietary), sacrificial, and other ceremonial laws from the Old Testament have consistantly never been applied to Christians.

113 posted on 02/14/2011 9:54:23 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: hosepipe
A "conservative gay group" has dingle berries on their politics.

Damn well put.

You are the word man.

114 posted on 02/14/2011 9:55:22 AM PST by skeeter
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To: allmendream
Most of the conservative movement is composed of sexual sinners because it is composed entirely of human beings. We are all sinners and nothing exposes human weakness more than our sexuality. But that, of course, is beside the point.

Of course you can be involved in pre-marital sex or adultery and still be conservative. But if you join a free-love movement dedicated to using government power to make society embrace premarital sex and adultery(even more) you aren't conservative. You can be a conservative porn addict, but you can't found GOPornloversforselfabuse and still expect conservatives to treat you as a comrade.

It's astonishing that this simple distinction is so hard for so many people to grasp.

115 posted on 02/14/2011 9:56:01 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: epow

Well said. Love your tagline, too!


116 posted on 02/14/2011 9:59:35 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fluffdaddy
Deserves to be re-posted:

Most of the conservative movement is composed of sexual sinners because it is composed entirely of human beings. We are all sinners and nothing exposes human weakness more than our sexuality. But that, of course, is beside the point.

Of course you can be involved in pre-marital sex or adultery and still be conservative. But if you join a free-love movement dedicated to using government power to make society embrace premarital sex and adultery(even more) you aren't conservative. You can be a conservative porn addict, but you can't found GOPornloversforselfabuse and still expect conservatives to treat you as a comrade.

It's astonishing that this simple distinction is so hard for so many people to grasp.

117 posted on 02/14/2011 9:59:55 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Daveinyork

their whole manifesto is to promote the homosexuals agenda

and the communist manisfesto
TO ALL
It cracks me up when I hear people say I have homosexual friends and they’re conservative.
Really ask them if they want marriage, get kids, serve openly, go to their parades, folsom fair etc.
Hang around in their perverted clubs.

Homosexuals in the goproud are about pushing the homo agenda and it is so sad to see those idiots which state well I have a friend and he is nice I have no problem with their agenda

if anyone has not read this then please do as it is an eye opener and shows how they have been trying to infiltrate and scam people into thinking their normal .

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


118 posted on 02/14/2011 10:01:02 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Daveinyork

There is no such thing as homosexual “marriage”. They want “rights” and they want government to recognize their “unions”. THAT is using the force of government and it is NOT Conservative.


119 posted on 02/14/2011 10:01:36 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: fluffdaddy

“Should it be unlawful for an employer or the government to pay survivors benefits to a spouse and not to any other kind of partner? “

No, it should be a matter of agreement between employer and employee. Tha government should have no role in this.


120 posted on 02/14/2011 10:03:04 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: allmendream
Telling them they are not conservative is de facto telling them to not vote conservative.

No one said that. GOProud is not Conservative and they push a homosexual agenda. THAT is not Conservative.

So can someone unmarried and cohabitating, or engaged in frequent premarital sex ALSO not be a conservative?

Do they have special groups pushing for "rights"?

121 posted on 02/14/2011 10:03:37 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: fluffdaddy
Well that simple distinction was lost in the headline.

I am willing to accept the proposition that one cannot be a political activist for Gay issues AND be a conservative, because you are fighting against the values most conservatives wish to “conserve”.

I reject the idea that one cannot be Gay and conservative, just as much as I reject the idea that one cannot cohabitate or engage in premarital sex and be a conservative (or a frequent self abuser, etc).

We are all sinners and sin is sin.

Sinners should be welcome in the GOP or it is going to be one lonely election day.

Advocation of sin as a political philosophy is not conservative and should have no place in the GOP platform.

122 posted on 02/14/2011 10:03:47 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
exactly We have people thinking that they can be liberal on social issues and then state they're conservatives, they are not. Conservatism is social and fiscal libertarian is liberal socially and they're actually more liberal and communist than most Dem I know. Liberals are liberal on social and fiscal why some conservatives let the other groups into pour platform or use our sites so it's not this site when JR reads their posts. Let them have their own convention
123 posted on 02/14/2011 10:03:47 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: DJ MacWoW

You keep saying they, they, they. You must mean ALL of them, which is ridiculous.


124 posted on 02/14/2011 10:04:47 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork
No. The point in question is that GOProud has a homosexual agenda that they are pushing and some Conservatives don't get it.

Christopher Barron, GOProud Chairman of the Board: "We are a gay organization, we only work on gay issues, we have never claimed otherwise. My God people." Aug 4, 2010; 4:04pm

125 posted on 02/14/2011 10:05:28 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: allmendream

Well said


126 posted on 02/14/2011 10:06:14 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

why bring religion into it.
Everyone nearly who I know is not religious but think two men poking each others turds is sick and disgusting.

Then because they like getting off like that they now say they should have civil rights.
Will those who have no problem with their homosexual pals getting married also have a problem with consenting incest, consenting incest marriage?

Strange as it seems the left does have a problem with that but not two of the same sex which is totally against nature and how we were made


127 posted on 02/14/2011 10:06:24 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Their platform does not reflect that.


128 posted on 02/14/2011 10:07:30 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: OB1kNOb

it amazes me how many still come on here saying they have no problem with homosexuals and their agenda, they hide it behind the we want smaller Govt.

JR has banned loads and still does and yet they still ignore his banner stating that this site is for conservatives and that we stand for normal families marriage etc


129 posted on 02/14/2011 10:08:17 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc

Because the reason we reject homosexual behavior is because the Bible tells us it’s a sin.


130 posted on 02/14/2011 10:08:50 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: allmendream
Can someone be unmarried and cohabitating and be a conservative?

Should we inform them to not vote for the GOP, even if they agree on lower taxes, and a smaller government of limited and enumerated powers?

Preposterous straw man. Did you see any "Unmarried and CohabitingProud" Group at CPAC? Don't fall for GOProud's false front. They are gay activists. Gays are welcome to vote their conservative minds if they wish. Don't identify and caucus as a voting block opposed to a fundamental plank in the conservative platform though. Right now the Conservative Movement has its own DADT policy with regard to homosexuals. GOProud wants to repeat this policy too. They want conservatives to affirm them and their lifestyle. Not happening.

131 posted on 02/14/2011 10:09:32 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Daveinyork
You keep saying they, they, they. You must mean ALL of them, which is ridiculous.

The subject is GOProud. THEY have a homosexual agenda. THEY are a group and practice sexual identity politics. We are NOT discussing individuals. We are discussing a political group and what they stand for.

132 posted on 02/14/2011 10:10:03 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Daveinyork
“No, it should be a matter of agreement between employer and employee. Tha government should have no role in this.

Gay activists want the government to deprive employers of the choice to which you refer. That's what “gay marriage” “domestic partnerships” are all about. They want to keep us from treating a homosexual couple differently from a married couple which makes it impossible to express disapproval of the former in any concrete way. That's what the debate is about. Are you with the gay lobby and for making government larger and more coercive or are you against it? The choice is stark.

133 posted on 02/14/2011 10:10:09 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: murron

homosexuals stole the word gay in order to put a nicer word to their sick agenda

Why many on the right call them gay and pay the lefts name word game is beyond me.


134 posted on 02/14/2011 10:10:31 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Daveinyork
Their platform does not reflect that.

Dude! That's the guy that WROTE that platform!

And yes it does. Their platform demands special rights for "domestic partners". That's the polite way of describing 2 shacked up homosexuals.

135 posted on 02/14/2011 10:13:09 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: allmendream
I agree the distinction was lost in the headline and, to some extent, in the article as well. I wouldn't have written what Star Parker wrote and I won't try to defend every comma. Like her I have a problem with GOProud but not because its members are gay. You summarize that problem very well.
136 posted on 02/14/2011 10:17:13 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: DJ MacWoW; Daveinyork
Click on the link in this article to the "particular attack by GOProud against long time solid conservatives" in the MetroWeekly article. Their agenda and platform is clear. It is activist and NOT conservative.
137 posted on 02/14/2011 10:21:59 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

same here

There is a banner stating that this site os not for pushing the queer agenda and still some do.

every time this subject comes up there is always one or two who has to say the usual of well I have homo friends and they’;re nice or we want smaller Govt.
Ask them if they want Govt to let mothers marry their daughters , man marry his dog etc and they either say no or don’t reply though I have had a couple over the years say they have no problem with that either


138 posted on 02/14/2011 10:23:18 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc; Religion Moderator; little jeremiah
Wow, that was quick. Now I got whiplash!

Little Jeremiah mentioned in the other thread that CPAC was a circus. Spot On!

American conservatism is comprised of three indissoluble principles; social values, national defense, and classic economic liberalism. A movement that includes those who categorically reject one of those ethos is not a big tent. It is a circus.

139 posted on 02/14/2011 10:57:17 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: manc; DJ MacWoW; fluffdaddy; Servant of the Cross; little jeremiah

unlocked


140 posted on 02/14/2011 10:57:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fluffdaddy

“Gay activists want the government to deprive employers of the choice to which you refer. “

Some


141 posted on 02/14/2011 11:03:55 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Servant of the Cross
Do you feel that this statement reflects an organization that is opposed to the 'gay agenda'?

"GOProud" is clearly a pro-agenda group and I would not want their participation on my side of any campaign.

But I do distinguish between those homosexuals (and their allies) who campaign for special rights and special recognition, and those who do not.

142 posted on 02/14/2011 11:04:43 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Who's Damaged America More? (a) Al Qaeda (b) Wall Street Investment Bankers)
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To: DJ MacWoW

What special rights?


143 posted on 02/14/2011 11:05:30 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: trisham
*A terrible scream!* I'm a ping pong ball! LOL

I'm trying to Freep, watch the barn demolition, do laundry while worrying about my cats that are feet away from the demo unless they've run for their lives! :-P

Oh. And I'm on the phone. (i thought life slowed down at 60?)

144 posted on 02/14/2011 11:06:53 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: fluffdaddy
You are arguing for the proposition that the government can, consistently with the principles of classical liberalism (John Locke and all that)destroy the sexual morality that under-girds the most successful culture in human history.

I would argue that it's impossible for government to destroy sexual, or any other element of, morality.

If the population was moral to begin with, they didn't lose their moral compass as a result of anything the government did.

145 posted on 02/14/2011 11:08:51 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Who's Damaged America More? (a) Al Qaeda (b) Wall Street Investment Bankers)
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To: Daveinyork

Do you think a “domestic partner” deserves social security benefits of the dead roomie? Do you think that they should be able to buy healthcare as a “couple”? They want all the perks of a married couple.


146 posted on 02/14/2011 11:09:49 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: MindBender26
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” ~John Adams
147 posted on 02/14/2011 11:14:51 AM PST by haywoodwebb (Islam is a violent political ideology masquerading as a religion . . . Black & Humble)
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To: DJ MacWoW

LOL!


148 posted on 02/14/2011 11:15:20 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Daveinyork

Name a prominent exception.


149 posted on 02/14/2011 11:25:42 AM PST by fluffdaddy (Is anyone else missing Fred Thompson about now?)
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To: trisham

Today is our 41st anniversary. Guess he needs to talk to me. LOL We’re still on the phone.


150 posted on 02/14/2011 11:26:59 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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