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Gates, Rumsfeld Sued Over U.S. Military's Rape Epidemic
Yahoo News ^ | 15Feb2011 | Jesse Ellison

Posted on 02/15/2011 8:17:11 AM PST by ConorMacNessa

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To: ConorMacNessa

LMAO, what did they expect?

Now they are going to put women in submarines.

I have a niece in the Air Force, she is a bitch and a Dyke.
covered with tattoo’s.
I don’t think she is a whore.


51 posted on 02/15/2011 10:20:10 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Straight Vermonter

Guess that went right over your head. Supporting the exclusion of women in military combat forces is more to the point.


52 posted on 02/15/2011 10:23:52 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Extra hardware would be the right term, I guess.


53 posted on 02/15/2011 10:47:26 AM PST by Eva
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
They build up warrior men, then expect them to be docile little puppies around women.

Yes, that seems like backwards thinking. Especially when some female troops hit the bar after work and get $ - - - faced drunk. I've witnessed that firsthand, and had to have a fellow female designated driver take the drunk women home.

One got so drunk one night at a topless bar, she jumped up, pulled her top off and showed the not so well endowed dancer what breasts look like. The bouncer told us to get her and ourselves out of there.

54 posted on 02/15/2011 11:15:50 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (America has two cancers - democrats and RINOS.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

No, I read and understood what you wrote. Anyone who supports the rape of US servicewomen by US servicemen has issues.


55 posted on 02/15/2011 11:22:30 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter
It is not supporting it. It is stating a fact. War brings out a very animalistic side in men. That's why we in the military have to work so hard to instill discipline in our Soldiers to insure they follow the laws of war.

Once you have killed a man or had someone try to kill you rape does not seem like such a big deal. For most of human history when one army conquered another army the raping and pillaging started soon after.

I think for men there is a connection between violence and libido. I would have not thought that until my first deployment and experience it myself. I did not rape anyone but after a firefight there was a strong urge to procreate. Talking to other Soldiers this seems to be common.

56 posted on 02/15/2011 11:31:00 AM PST by armordog99
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To: Jeff Chandler
Is this a news article? It reads like an introduction to Womyn’s Studies 101.

"Jesse Ellison is a writer and editor for Newsweek..."

'Nuff said ?

58 posted on 02/15/2011 12:31:23 PM PST by jimt
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To: starlifter

Few people know me better than myself. You are not one of them.


59 posted on 02/15/2011 2:18:46 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: thulldud; TankerKC
The word is "infinitesimally", and it doesn't mean "a whole lot more"; it means "practically no more at all."

Thanks for a good catch. See? It taxed my memory. LOL!!

60 posted on 02/15/2011 2:39:57 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Ramius

By your logic, it’s the women in the military who are paying the price. That’s like saying that a woman in police uniform gets raped, it’s to be expected. Gross.


61 posted on 02/15/2011 3:09:02 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: armordog99

Lol! So firing a gun does give you a woody? Sounds like rationalization to me.


62 posted on 02/15/2011 3:13:45 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn
That is not what I am saying. I have fired guns for most of my life and not had that reaction. It is the actual life or death combat situations.

I am a history buff. When I would read about ancient battles and how it was common practice that after an army took a city they would go on a rampage of indiscriminate killing, raping and pillaging I could not understand how they could do that. Now I do.

My hypothesis is that combat results in our reptile brain becoming extremely active. In fact they have done functional MRI’s on combat veterans with PTSD and there is way more activity in the reptile portion of the brain then there is in people without PTSD.

I am not rationalizing it. It is still wrong by our societies standards. The military puts alot of time and money into training Soldiers to be discplined and not allow those impulses to take over.

63 posted on 02/15/2011 3:38:44 PM PST by armordog99
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To: armordog99

O.K., but you realize many will read that the wrong way. I MIGHT just understand one army’s soldiers raping the women of the enemy as “justified” revenge for real atrocities; what I will not understand is raping one’s “own”.


64 posted on 02/15/2011 5:15:29 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn
Well this is the first war we have fought were we have alot of females in the combat zone. It is also the first war were prostitutes are not readily available.

I state that last one because men use sex as a means of releasing stress. This is the only long term war we have been in were prostitutes are not available. I am not saying that it is right I am just making an observation.

65 posted on 02/15/2011 5:24:41 PM PST by armordog99
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To: Amberdawn

Well, some women in the military *are* paying the price are they not? I fully accept that women are in the military now and they’re there to stay. All I said was that such things were predicted by those who argued against allowing women in the military— and they were right. Not all the effects of allowing women in the military are good effects.

But there is no excuse. Soldiers must (and generally do) have that sense of honor as a gentleman. Basic chivalry demands that a warrior rushes to the *defense* of women, and has no mercy on those who abuse them. Psychopaths and predators have no place in the military and must be rooted out.


66 posted on 02/15/2011 5:25:45 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius
The other thing that is never reported is how many false allegations are made. During one deployment I was talking to the brigade EO officer and she stated to me that more than half the rape accusations she investigated appeared to be false. Most also involved alcohol even though alcohol is prohibited by general order #1.

This takes away command time from actually fighting the war to policing the Soldiers. Also don't get me started on fraternization between the ranks.

67 posted on 02/15/2011 5:43:13 PM PST by armordog99
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To: AppyPappy
I bet she is suing for Disability because of “trauma”

Obviously, the devious vixen! Getting raped is funnnn! \sarc
68 posted on 02/15/2011 7:16:57 PM PST by kroll
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To: listenhillary
The timing is suspicious.

There is an election every two years in America, so the timing is Always suspicious. Brilliantly original argument that...The women should just shut up and take it right?\sarc
69 posted on 02/15/2011 7:23:00 PM PST by kroll
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To: TalonDJ
All the justifies and apologists on this thread make me sick.

Agree with you completely. I guess I must be stupid to think that conservatives were actually moral people....
70 posted on 02/15/2011 7:25:05 PM PST by kroll
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To: kroll

Was I talking to you? Get lost wipe.


71 posted on 02/15/2011 7:26:17 PM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: armordog99

I can’t say whether this war is the first where prostitutes were unavailable or not historically. I have heard commanders say that their soldiers are more disciplined BECAUSE there weren’t any bars and prostitutes around, but that still doesn’t explain why the U.S. soldiers who rape U.S. females see them as merely pieces of meat, instead of fellow soldiers in a deadly combat zone.


72 posted on 02/15/2011 8:26:39 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Roninf5-1

Amen to that. Will the globalist banksters that have sold us out as a nation ever be held to account, or will we continue to be oblivious and spend our time on Facebook, watching Dancing with the Stars and NFL?


73 posted on 02/18/2011 8:03:39 PM PST by apoliticalone (US conservatism does not equal multi-national corporatism)
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To: ConorMacNessa

I don’t agree with women in combat zones because it creates un-needed tension. Just like I don’t support women competing in male sports such as football or wrestling. That said any service man who rapes a woman (either a fellow American service woman or a local) needs to be castrated. It should be an offense with lasting implications.


74 posted on 02/18/2011 8:07:56 PM PST by apoliticalone (US conservatism does not equal multi-national corporatism)
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