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Zbigniew Brzezinski Tells Morning Joe Obama Didn’t Really ‘Blow It’ On Egypt
Mediaite ^ | 12/15/11 | Mark Joyella

Posted on 02/15/2011 8:55:42 AM PST by Nachum

On the heels of Monday’s lively discussion with Niall Ferguson, whose cover story in Newsweek brands President Obama’s handling of the uprising in Egypt a failure, MSNBC’s Morning Joe returned to the question Tuesday morning with former national security adviser–and Mika Brzezinski’s Dad–Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski dismissed the suggestion that Obama necessarily “blew it.”

“The fact is the United States and the White House weren’t all that central to the events in Egypt,” said Brzezinski, who credits coverage of the uprising by Al Jazeera and the extensive use of social media by protesters for the rapid pace of events in Cairo. “We weren’t that central to these events.”

“We don’t know how this is going to turn out, so let’s be very careful whether it’s a triumph or a massive setback. We just don’t know.”

Watch it here, from MSNBC:

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brzezinski; morning; tells; zbigniew
Guess it all depends on what the meaning of "Blow" is...
1 posted on 02/15/2011 8:55:46 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Now that the Egyptian military has decided to include the muslim brotherhood in setting up the government, I’d say blowing it is understating the fact.


2 posted on 02/15/2011 8:58:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Nachum
Try to educate Mika and she'll tell her daddy and give him the show uninterrupted and unchallenged to contradict you.
3 posted on 02/15/2011 8:59:02 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Nachum
The fact is the United States and the White House weren’t all that central to the events in Egypt.

We weren’t that central to these events.

We don’t know how this is going to turn out, so let’s be very careful whether it’s a triumph or a massive setback. We just don’t know.

In linguistics, these are called hedge words or phrases. They usually indicate that the speaker does not have confidence in what they are saying. Other examples are actually and basically.

4 posted on 02/15/2011 8:59:46 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Nachum
Zbigniew - not much smarter than his daughter.

Why would anyone turn to this proven loser for analysis?

5 posted on 02/15/2011 9:00:20 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Nachum

“Hi there. I’m Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski. But my friends, former president Carter
and others just call me: Zigrkwxzlqhtkviewrltujvzxwaplekberlaxpretzlpwyrie’.


6 posted on 02/15/2011 9:01:38 AM PST by tumblindice (Alex, I'd like to buy a bowel.)
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To: Nachum
Berserksy was one of the architects of the last big overthrow operation (Iran / Shah / Kohmeany).
7 posted on 02/15/2011 9:02:29 AM PST by de.rm (" . . . . those fools couldn't blow up a balloon without our help.")
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To: Nachum

The line from the Movie the Godfather comes into play when Michael Corleone tells Frank Pentangeli, that his Late Father gave him this advice: “Son, keep your friends close but your enemies closer”. Just a guess but I think this might be a strategy that the Egyptian Military is adopting.


8 posted on 02/15/2011 9:02:44 AM PST by seoul62
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To: Nachum

"Daddy...a mean guy made me look stupid yesterday...(sniffle, sniffle)"

9 posted on 02/15/2011 9:06:35 AM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Nachum
“The fact is the United States and the White House weren’t all that central to the events in Egypt."

Translation: We were powerless to influence events in the Middle East.

This did not go unnoticed by either our friends or our enemies.

10 posted on 02/15/2011 9:06:39 AM PST by Palmetto Patriot (Just exactly when is the next Election?)
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To: Nachum
So Dr. Brzezinski, would you call this a success? Would you say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED?
11 posted on 02/15/2011 9:07:05 AM PST by McGruff (If you tell a lie enough times some people will come to believe it.)
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To: Nachum
Much as I dislike Newsweek, I'll read this guy's article to see what he thinks we should have done/do in Egypt. I know he just left Israel and I suspect he thinks that Israel and the U.S. should have sent in troops to protect the Mubarak regime, which is probably the only way the regime could have been saved.

Obviously, Israel decided against that strategy and I support Israel in that decision.

12 posted on 02/15/2011 9:07:42 AM PST by Walts Ice Pick ("I'm not going to shut up!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Nachum
He effectively said "We didn't blow it, because we weren't relevant."

Which is to say, we blew it.

13 posted on 02/15/2011 9:08:07 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

Happy Hour starts when we say so!


14 posted on 02/15/2011 9:09:46 AM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: kbennkc

What a predictable rebuttle! Mika phones home.


15 posted on 02/15/2011 9:11:21 AM PST by RitaOK
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To: Nachum

Guess it depends on who your daughter is.. :-)


16 posted on 02/15/2011 9:11:29 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: skeeter

Jimmy Carter did and look what happened in Iran. In all fairness to Daddy Brzezinski, we still don’t know how Iran will turn out either. It was only in 1979 that the Shah got booted while Zbiggie and Jimma did nothing. Who knows, in another 35 years or so Iran may be a success. More likely it will be a nucelar wasteland when Israel is forced to take Ammanutjob and the mullahs out in a pre-emptive strike.


17 posted on 02/15/2011 9:12:04 AM PST by milwguy
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To: Nachum

He’s a piece of crap he belongs to the International Crisis Group with soros, elbaradei.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/~/link.aspx?_id=AFAAD992BC154C93B71B1E76D6151F3F&_z=z

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/about/board.aspx


18 posted on 02/15/2011 9:12:38 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori">)
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To: All

Carter didn’t REALLY blow Iran, either.


19 posted on 02/15/2011 9:15:25 AM PST by rbmillerjr (I will not, under any circumstances, vote for Mitt Romney....none.)
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To: milwguy
Who knows, in another 35 years or so Iran may be a success.

There are thousands in the streets over there right now trying to help the process along, but if one listens only to this administration and the mainstream news media one would never know.

I guess they're tired of 'pro-democracy' rallies now.

20 posted on 02/15/2011 9:16:57 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Nachum
Jimmah Cahtah’s sitting Buddha god.
21 posted on 02/15/2011 9:17:08 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: Nachum

Oh yeah!!! Words of wisdom from Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser. Really funny.


22 posted on 02/15/2011 9:25:01 AM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Nachum
Damage control. Beck yesterday played a humiliating clip from morning Joe that illustrated how out of touch they are. Basically Obama propaganda TV.

Brzezinski is an adviser to ICG.

23 posted on 02/15/2011 9:33:29 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Nachum
How would Brzezinski know? He's not National Security Advisor anymore. Does he have access to classified information?

Or did the CFR have their dirty hands in the action?

24 posted on 02/15/2011 9:33:55 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: skeeter

Seriously, I can’t think of any instance where Zbigniew was right about foreign policyu.


25 posted on 02/15/2011 9:37:47 AM PST by Obadiah (Always look out for #1... and don't step in number two.)
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To: Obadiah

He was certainly wrong when he persuaded Carter to support the Islamist rebels in Afghanistan. We’re still suffering from that decision.


26 posted on 02/15/2011 9:45:34 AM PST by Captain Kirk (Q)
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To: Nachum

Were Wm. Ayers, B. Dohrn, & Code Pink in Egypt community organizing in the weeks before the demonstrations? I don’t know; have heard they were, just asking.


27 posted on 02/15/2011 9:48:33 AM PST by Twinkie (Two wrongs don't make a right.)
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To: Nachum

LMAO!!!!! Daddy has to do damage control for his little girl.


28 posted on 02/15/2011 9:51:32 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

“It was that guy named Niall! I saw the PITCHERS from Egypt myself; and everybody was smiling so big and happy! Niall said mean things!!”


29 posted on 02/15/2011 9:55:15 AM PST by Twinkie (Two wrongs don't make a right.)
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To: Nachum

As far as his remark goes, he is correct. The events in Egypt ended exactly as obama and his handlers wanted them to. In a few months, things are going to get a little rough on the Coptics and infidels.


30 posted on 02/15/2011 10:00:15 AM PST by sport
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To: Nachum

Obama was hands-off in Egypt until he saw who was going to win. Insurgents in Iran have to come up with better results.


31 posted on 02/15/2011 10:21:47 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
LMAO!!!!! Daddy has to do damage control for his little girl.

Too late. The horse is out of the bard :)

32 posted on 02/15/2011 10:44:12 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

“The horse is out of the bard.”

roflol


33 posted on 02/15/2011 10:50:50 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Nachum

“The fact is the United States and the White House weren’t all that central to the events in Egypt,” said Brzezinski

So after Obama is blamed for the events in Egypt, Brezinski says the US was not central to events in Egypt, Does this mean the MSA will stop trying to twist events there to make him look good? If Obama was not central then he can’t take the credit for events there either. Which is it MSM?


34 posted on 02/15/2011 11:04:11 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Nachum

“The fact is the United States and the White House weren’t all that central to the events in Egypt,” said Brzezinski

So after Obama is blamed for the events in Egypt, Brezinski says the US was not central to events in Egypt, Does this mean the MSM will stop trying to twist events there to make him look good? If Obama was not central then he can’t take the credit for events there either. Which is it MSM?


35 posted on 02/15/2011 11:04:31 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: kalee
As they were taught by Clinton...

All ya gotta do is lie...

36 posted on 02/15/2011 11:14:00 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: rarestia

“They usually indicate that the speaker does not have confidence in what they are saying.”

The difference between Zbig and Ferguson is that Ferguson took an unequivocal stand. He stated there’s a high likelihood this will turn out badly, and explained clearly the reasons why. “We just don’t know” is a much more weasel-worded way of saying the same thing. Of course, we cannot be CERTAIN of anything. But experts surely ought to be in a position to state which outcomes are more likely than others. The appropriate rebuttal to Ferguson would have been to explain why his account of why things could turn out badly was wrong. This Zbig did not do.

What’s surprising is that Ferguson actually had given Zbig a left-handed compliment—pointing out that Clinton and other foreign policy advisors surrounding Obama were 2nd and 3rd rate compared to Zbig and Kissinger. He didn’t mean he agreed with everything they said—only that they had enough expertise and intelligence to make reasoned decisions. Perhaps this Zbig interview indicates Ferguson was wrong in that assessment. So much for giving Zbig the benefit of the doubt.


37 posted on 02/15/2011 2:22:15 PM PST by DrC
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To: Nachum

Brzezinski knows a little about blowing a Middle East crisis....


38 posted on 02/15/2011 3:19:55 PM PST by therightliveswithus
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To: Nachum

Yeah, a real winner that Zbigniew is. And, he was about the best of the entire Carter Administration. Is there any wonder Jimmuh got canned after one term?

Just according to (liberal-friendly) Wiki, Zbigniew’s responsible for:

“...the normalization of relations with the People’s Republic of China (and the severing of ties with the Republic of China), the signing of the second Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty (SALT II), the brokering of the Camp David Accords, the transition of Iran from an important US client state to an anti-Western Islamic Republic, encouraging dissidents in Eastern Europe and emphasizing certain human rights in order to undermine the influence of the Soviet Union,[1] the financing of the mujahideen in Afghanistan in response to the Soviet deployment of forces there[2] (allegedly either to help deter a Russian invasion, or to deliberately increase the chance of such an intervention occurring—or for both contradictory reasons simultaneously being embraced by separate US officials[3]) and the arming of these rebels to counter the Soviet invasion, and the signing of the Torrijos-Carter Treaties relinquishing overt US control of the Panama Canal after 1999.”


39 posted on 02/15/2011 3:28:04 PM PST by EDINVA
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