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Boehner: If some federal workers lose jobs because of GOP cuts, 'so be it'
CNN ^ | 2/15/2011 | Xuan Thai & Deirdre Walsh

Posted on 02/15/2011 12:11:43 PM PST by Qbert

Washington (CNN) - House Speaker John Boehner said Tuesday if some federal workers lose jobs because of Republican-proposed spending cuts, "so be it." But House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was quick to say "not so be it."

"Over the last two years since President Obama has taken office, the federal government has added 200,000 new federal jobs and if some of those jobs are lost in this, so be it," Boehner said during a news conference with reporters at the Republican National Committee. "We're broke! It's time for us to get serious about how we're spending the nation's money."

Boehner, who was joined by other House Republican leaders, criticized the President's budget proposal for not cutting enough and said Republicans would address entitlement reform when they release their budget blueprint this spring.

"Republicans will not punt," said Boehner. "Everything's on the table. We will put forward a budget that deals with the big challenges that face our country…I have no doubts that all of these issues [Social Security and Medicare] will be on the table."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi seized on Boehner's comments in a speech on the floor, saying Republicans' proposed cuts would leave many in the cold.

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boehner; broke; budget; cuts; debt; deficit; employees; federal; government; governmentworkers; lard; pelosi; pork; size; waste
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'Bout time somebody said it.
1 posted on 02/15/2011 12:11:49 PM PST by Qbert
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To: Qbert

Did he cry?


2 posted on 02/15/2011 12:13:53 PM PST by americanophile ("The Constitution is the guide which I will never abandon." - George Washington)
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To: Qbert

If some federal workers lose jobs because of GOP cuts, they can compete for private sector jobs that will be created as a result.


3 posted on 02/15/2011 12:14:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Qbert

F yeah.


4 posted on 02/15/2011 12:14:28 PM PST by max americana
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To: Qbert

Federal employees serve the TAXpayers,we don’t serve them.

Welcome to the real world of layoffs,federal employees.


5 posted on 02/15/2011 12:14:29 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Qbert
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi seized on Boehner's comments in a speech on the floor, saying Republicans' proposed cuts would leave many in the cold.

On the contrary, its the wacked out energy policies of your president & party that are leaving many in the cold, you saggy old marxist, you.

All Boehner is saying is federal workers ought to have some 'skin in the game'. Whats wrong with that?

6 posted on 02/15/2011 12:15:39 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Qbert

Good for Boehner. We need less government leeches and more private sector producers.


7 posted on 02/15/2011 12:16:06 PM PST by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: Qbert

With 1.9 million civilian workers (including DOD civilians) and 1.4 million uniformed personnel, the federal
government is the largest single employer in the United States (Source: White House 2008 budget numbers and OSD).

http://www.1105govinfo.com/pdfs/advertise/Federal_Employees_Almanac.pdf

In the debate over public sector compensation, it’s often noted that - in addition to generous salaries and better fringe benefits - federal employees have far greater job security than private sector workers. While a private sector worker has an approximately 20 percent chance of being fired or laid off in a given year, for federal employees it’s only 6 percent.

http://www.publicsectorinc.com/psi_articles/2011/01/valuing-job-security-as-a-public-employee-benefit.html

For 30-35 years, the private sector has addressed its structural problems (lack of profits, low productivity, losing market share, etc. etc.) with downsizing and innovation. In this same period, government (federal, state and local) has grown like crazy; largely unionized the workforce; never considered downsizing; ignored intelligent investments in technology to make their workforce efficient; expanded the bureaucracy (always the first priority of the bureaucracy is to preserve, protect and expand); and now has heeped on unrealistic compensation as well as benefits to add to the lard.

I don’t think anyone could present a rational case that federal employment and bureaucracy can’t be reduced 2-3% per year (I’m being kind — 5% per year would be a better target) along with reductions of 2-3% per year (again being kind) to overall average compensation and benefits levels to bring the government sector into alignment with the private sector and reducing the government’s footprint and cost. You could do the above just with attrition.

Federal Employees are almost impossible to fire unless they are guilty of gross misconducr(read criminal activity) That is why the number of dismissals for cause is way under even 1% of the workforce,and for those that just show up, there is no accountability. No government employee can be terminated for failure to reach minimum objective performance goals, most don’t have any.


8 posted on 02/15/2011 12:17:43 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Qbert

About time but we need something stronger


9 posted on 02/15/2011 12:17:53 PM PST by therightliveswithus
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To: Qbert

I would HOPE some federal workers lose their jobs...We could probably do twice the work with half the number, properly motivated.

And there are too many directors and chiefs and assistant directors and managers- cut them first.

What the hell is this? Do they think the fed government is immune to downsizing????????


10 posted on 02/15/2011 12:18:14 PM PST by Mr. K (At some point, a productive person chooses to stop acquiescing in his own slavery)
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To: Qbert

Heh heh heh


11 posted on 02/15/2011 12:18:38 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: Qbert

The problem is, in typical government fashion, the people who lose their jobs will likely the the BEST workers, not the worst, since government tends to keep the leeches and shed the talent.

Thank Yoon-Yuns for that.


12 posted on 02/15/2011 12:18:46 PM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: Qbert
Good for him.

Minor quibble -- there should be no "if". We need to cut hundreds of billions from the budget. Yeah: some people are going to lose their job. It's not an "if". Cutting the size of government is the goal: that means fewer federal workers.

13 posted on 02/15/2011 12:19:41 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (BO + MB = BOMB -- The One will make sure they get one.)
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To: Qbert

They’ll just get rid of the disabled vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. I am sure that FREEPERS will be fine with it. That is who got the jobs in the last two years.....pat yourselves on the back.


14 posted on 02/15/2011 12:19:58 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Qbert

I wonder what percentage of Federal employees vote democrat?


15 posted on 02/15/2011 12:21:50 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Qbert

Damn right!


16 posted on 02/15/2011 12:21:52 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: Le Chien Rouge

We are borrowing money to pay the INTEREST on the federal deficit.
What part of collapse don’t the ‘progressives’ understand?


17 posted on 02/15/2011 12:21:59 PM PST by griswold3 (We defend conservatism by our very way of life.)
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To: cripplecreek

“If some federal workers lose jobs because of GOP cuts, they can compete for private sector jobs that will be created as a result.”

Yep, and Obama’s budget expects a booming economy for the future in its assumptions (cough, cough)...so it shouldn’t be a problem at all for “Gipper” Obama to make up for these lost jobs.


18 posted on 02/15/2011 12:22:53 PM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Qbert

‘Bout time somebody said it.

Yep. He said what is on everyone’s mind except the U.S. communists. Hey, and that goes for state, and in our case parish, and city workers. I just tried to contact the DMV in Metairie - THE PHONE #’S WERE WRONG on their WEBSITE!!!
I have to go personally tomorrow and wonder if I will ever be seen again.


19 posted on 02/15/2011 12:23:25 PM PST by Bitsy ( i)
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To: Qbert

In a near-perfect world these government ‘jobs’ would be considered temporary employment and there would be very few positions to fill.

When we look at the Pentagon and the entire screwed-up situation with our military we see thousands of civilians performing jobs that uniformed military personnel should be doing.

Show them the door, then change the benefit packages that draws scum to government employment. The states as as guilty as the Central Socialist Government! Get rid of 75% of these loafers.


20 posted on 02/15/2011 12:23:25 PM PST by IbJensen (Grab your pitchforks!)
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To: Qbert

The lib media is tone deaf. They think this hurts the Repubs.

They don’t realize that the overpaid gubmint gig has been uncovered.


21 posted on 02/15/2011 12:23:28 PM PST by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: napscoordinator

Government has to be cut. Shielding the leeches because the bureaucracy will be vindictive, is the wrong way to go.

6 percent? Wow. That means you’d only see a turnover in close to 20 years, as opposed to 5.

That’s HUGE!


22 posted on 02/15/2011 12:23:52 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: Qbert
They'll fire contractors before they fire civil servants, believe me. Been there, had that done to me. Agencies like DoD, NASA, Dept. of Energy, all make use of contractors to get most of the real, useful work done. They'll axe those and keep the paper pushers. It's already happened to NASA under Obama. Thousands of people working on Ares and Orion have been canned, and the GOP had nothing to do with it. So the ‘Rats better not try the old, hackneyed “mean Republicans firing poor Federal workers” gambit, because the blood is on their hands already
23 posted on 02/15/2011 12:24:02 PM PST by chimera
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To: napscoordinator
They’ll just get rid of the disabled vets from Iraq and Afghanistan. I am sure that FREEPERS will be fine with it. That is who got the jobs in the last two years.....pat yourselves on the back.

This is highly selective and highly unlikely propaganda. Are you serious? Do you have a shred of evidence or links to back this up? Can you post a link to a FReeper that calls specifically for disabled vets to be hurt or abused in some way?

No, I don't think you can.

24 posted on 02/15/2011 12:24:14 PM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: americanophile

Did he cry?

I’ll take a crier over a liar any day!


25 posted on 02/15/2011 12:24:30 PM PST by Bitsy ( i)
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To: Qbert

We could only hope that a few civil service employees would take the hit, but I won’t hold my breath.


26 posted on 02/15/2011 12:25:03 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Qbert

Hooray!!


27 posted on 02/15/2011 12:25:34 PM PST by babble-on
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To: Qbert

“Some”?

Only “some”?

How about “Lots” or “Millions”?


28 posted on 02/15/2011 12:25:59 PM PST by Uncle Miltie ("And did you exchange a walk on part in a War, for a lead role in a cage?")
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To: americanophile

This will mean wielding the dreaded force of the RIF, feared by all goobermintt employees as few are spared in its onslaught.

Of course RIFed employees are eligible for preferential placcement back into the system. Can’t keep a good public servant down


29 posted on 02/15/2011 12:26:15 PM PST by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: Qbert

Opps aren’t half the employed people in America fed employees?

I know the ONE fed employees I want to see lose his job..but I have to wait a couple of years for that one


30 posted on 02/15/2011 12:26:34 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: forgotten man

Think they vote Dem when WORKING for the gov’t?

What do you think they’ll do when they’re UNEMPLOYED?


31 posted on 02/15/2011 12:27:28 PM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: nhwingut

“The lib media is tone deaf. They think this hurts the Repubs.
They don’t realize that the overpaid gubmint gig has been uncovered.”

—Exactly. This ain’t 1995.

They are in for a rude awakening.


32 posted on 02/15/2011 12:27:28 PM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: napscoordinator

Maybe they’ll get rid of a few of the criminals who work “on the take” at the DMV, issuing fake driver’s licenses to illegals.


33 posted on 02/15/2011 12:27:32 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: IbJensen

“Show them the door, then change the benefit packages that draws scum to government employment. The states as as guilty as the Central Socialist Government! Get rid of 75% of these loafers.”

Yep. It’s the only way it can be done.


34 posted on 02/15/2011 12:29:20 PM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
They can cut welfare employees for this reason alone:

The Federal government ADMITS that welfare is only about 30% efficient.

So..
if you add up the welfare benefits a person on average received it is about $20,000 per year.

Since that is only 30% of the total spent per person, the total must be about $66,000.

So, out of $66,000, $46,000 is lost to overhead.

That is a pretty good full time job salary.

Or in other words, there is almost one government employee for every person on welfare.

Even If you want to be generous and give them the benefit of the doubt (because I know liberals will jump all over that word ‘almost’), there is still CERTAINLY enough money for one full time employee for every two people on welfare.

It would be cheaper just to give them jobs, except that many are too stupid to have a job. And breeding more stupid people all the time.

The movie “Idiocracy” is beginning to feel more like a documentary than a comedy.

35 posted on 02/15/2011 12:29:32 PM PST by Mr. K (At some point, a productive person chooses to stop acquiescing in his own slavery)
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Boehner: If some federal workers lose jobs because of GOP cuts, 'so be it'

Government "workers"-the ultimate welfare class.

36 posted on 02/15/2011 12:29:35 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: chimera

Lets be honest, cutting contractors is key.

The only people that gain from contractors are the board of directors and c-levels at these beltway contractors

Lockheed, Northrup Grumman, CSC, BAE, etc all charge the taxpayers overhead of over 100 percent, G&A costs of 10-15 percent, and fringe benefits in the 30-40 percent range.

A person whose salary is 50 dollars an hour costs the taxpayer 150 dollars an hour when you add in base pay, fringe, overhead and G&A.

And yes this would personally hurt me as I flipped over to the contractor side a few years ago after being involved in national secruity so that I could cash in on this game.

You eliminate or reduce the use of contractors and you will save the taxpayers a very large chunk of money


37 posted on 02/15/2011 12:30:38 PM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: The_Victor

Honestly, aside from a few totally unnecessary agencies (Dept. of Education anyone?) most of the cuts could come from letting people retire who will be retiring, and just not replacing them, or shifting around responsibilities.

Getting rid of the unions would probably fix most of the rest of the problem, and make government employment more or less on-par with the private sector.


38 posted on 02/15/2011 12:31:05 PM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: napscoordinator
That is who got the jobs in the last two years..

Prove it.

Actually I don't care if it is true. I don't care if they hired only Downs Syndrome kids, cute puppies and kittens, and rainbow colored Unicorns that crap Skittles.

We
can't
AFFORD
THIS
CRAP
ANYMORE!

L

39 posted on 02/15/2011 12:34:07 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Qbert

Not only should Federal jobs be cut severely, foreign aid should be discontinued indefinitely, superfluous and ineffective Federal programs permanently discarded, aid to Planned Parenthood stopped immediately! Defense should be revved up, including on our southern border.Rather than penalizing American citizens who have paid into Social Security all their lives, benefits to illegal aliens should be denied completely, and immigration laws now on the books followed faithfully. No more bailouts!

Then, my Congressional friends, we should see some positive progress.


40 posted on 02/15/2011 12:35:17 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: forgotten man
I wonder what percentage of Federal employees vote democrat?

119 percent.

41 posted on 02/15/2011 12:36:55 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: Qbert

Hey Federal workers.”hang in there!”


42 posted on 02/15/2011 12:39:21 PM PST by 4yearlurker (I can't afford anymore hope and change!!!!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Wrong. I know that the civil servants working at the bases near me vote mostly republican.


43 posted on 02/15/2011 12:39:30 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Qbert

If SOME???!!!???.........how about half???


44 posted on 02/15/2011 12:39:41 PM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: MadIsh32
Personally, if you really want to save money, I say the best people to cut are those who are paid for not working, i.e., welfare recipients. At least (honest) contractors show up for work, and most of them end up doing something useful.

Not all contractor overhead rates are that high. When I was in private consulting my indirect cost rate was 45% of direct costs. Sure, I included fringe benefits because those are a cost of doing business when you hire people, but the multiplier I used was 21% TDC. I generally charged 8.9% G&A.

OTOH, the government-employed contract monitor I had to work with on one program I swear only knew how to ask two questions: How long is it going to take?, and How much is it going to cost? We called it the HoLoHoMu syndrome. Technically, we was as useless as tits on a boar hog.

45 posted on 02/15/2011 12:42:54 PM PST by chimera
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To: chimera

21 percent of TDC is a miracle now a days.

Since a good part of my job is doing price to win analysis, I have a fairly good idea of the indirects of the big contractors around the beltway. You are looking at multipliers now approaching 2.9 to as high as 3.5 in some cases!! The worst are actually on the civil side, EPA, DOE, HHS contractors. They are consistantly in the 3.0 plus range


46 posted on 02/15/2011 12:46:00 PM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: SeeSac; Colonel_Flagg

“Wrong. I know that the civil servants working at the bases near me vote mostly republican.”

Well, I guess that lone, personal example settles it... (/sarc)


47 posted on 02/15/2011 12:47:56 PM PST by Qbert ("I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air" - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Qbert

Good!!!


48 posted on 02/15/2011 12:48:09 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

“119 percent.”

Don’t count DoD employees in on that 119%. Most DoD employees are conservative.


49 posted on 02/15/2011 12:48:35 PM PST by Londo Molari
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To: Qbert

Well, well, well. Welcome to the party Mr. Boehner. The Governor or NJ has been taking on the public workers and their unions and it is resonating with the voters. About time you folks in DC stopped thinking every good idea must come from within the Beltway and instead start looking to where the real leadership of the Republican Party is residing (at the State level).


50 posted on 02/15/2011 12:50:01 PM PST by FlipWilson
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