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Selective use of science ‘as bad as racism or homophobia’ (war against "bad" science)
Research ^ | February 14, 2011 | John Dwyer and Laura Hood

Posted on 02/16/2011 3:12:28 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

[British] Government Chief Scientific Adviser John Beddington is stepping up the war on pseudoscience with a call to his fellow government scientists to be “grossly intolerant” if science is being misused by religious or political groups.

In closing remarks to an annual conference of around 300 scientific civil servants on 3 February, in London, Beddington said that selective use of science ought to be treated in the same way as racism and homophobia. “We are grossly intolerant, and properly so, of racism. We are grossly intolerant, and properly so, of people who [are] anti-homosexuality...We are not—and I genuinely think we should think about how we do this—grossly intolerant of pseudo-science, the building up of what purports to be science by the cherry-picking of the facts and the failure to use scientific evidence and the failure to use scientific method,” he said.

Beddington said he intends to take this agenda forward with his fellow chief scientists and also with the research councils. “I really believe that... we need to recognise that this is a pernicious influence, it is an increasingly pernicious influence and we need to be thinking about how we can actually deal with it.

”I really would urge you to be grossly intolerant...We should not tolerate what is potentially something that can seriously undermine our ability to address important problems.

“There are enough difficult and important problems out there without having to… deal with what is politically or morally or religiously motivated nonsense.”

Beddington also had harsh words for journalists who treat the opinions of non-scientist commentators as being equivalent to the opinions of what he called “properly trained, properly assessed” scientists. “The media see the discussions about really important scientific events as if it’s a bloody football match. It is ridiculous.”

His call has been welcomed by science groups, including the Campaign for Science and Engineering.

Edzard Ernst, professor of the study of complementary medicine at Exeter University, whose department is being closed down, said he was “delighted that somebody in [Beddington’s] position speaks out”. In an interview with Research Fortnight Ernst said that the analogy with racism was a good one and that he, like Beddington, questioned why journalists have what he called “a pathological need” to balance a scientific opinion with one from outside of science.

“You don’t have that balance in racism,” he said. “You’re not finishing [an article] by quoting the Ku Klux Klan when it is an article about racist ideas,” Ernst said.

“This is strong language because the frustration is so huge and because scientists are being misunderstood. For far too long we have been tolerant of these post-modern ideas that more than one truth is valid. All this sort of nonsense does make you very frustrated in the end.”

Ben Goldacre, a science journalist and medical doctor, agrees. “Society has been far too tolerant of politicians, lobbyists, and journalists wilfully misusing science, distorting evidence by cherry-picking data that suits their view, giving bogus authority to people who misrepresent the absolute basics of science, and worse,” he told Research Fortnight. “This distorted evidence has real world implications, because people need good evidence to make informed decisions on policy, health, and more. Beddington is frustrated, and rightly so: for years I’ve had journalists and politicians repeatedly try to brush my concerns on these issues under the carpet.”

Scientists need to fight back, he says.

In closing, Beddington said: “I’d urge you, and this is a kind of strange message to go out, but go out and be much more intolerant.” He asked his audience to forgive him for what appear to have been unscripted remarks, adding: “But it is a thing that has been very much at the forefront of my mind over the last few months and I think we need to do it.”


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John P. Holdren, the White House Director of Science and Technology holds similar views and activism as the British Chief Science Adviser.

[British]Government Chief Scientific Adviser John Beddington is stepping up the war on pseudoscience with a call to his fellow government scientists to be “grossly intolerant” if science is being misused by religious or political groups.

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Anti-global warming "pseudoscientists,""skeptics" and "contrarians" in industry, business and science are being targeted.

The call by science and government "elites" for "intolerance," is getting louder. The call for violent intervention and is spreading in "elite" circles. Human caused "global climate disruption" is framed as too important; that forced change through government action is essential; that citizens must demand it; that those opposed are their enemies and must be dealt with.

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Three more examples: Woodwell (Woods Hole Research Center), Holdren (White House Chief Scientist), Hansen (NASA).

George Woodwell in Q&A after his Armageddon diatribe, is encouraged that his friend and "smart guy" the former head of his organization Woods Hole Research Center, John P. Holdren,[Global warming, population bomb activist] is Barack Obama's (who Holdren "considers a very smart guy") Director of Science and Technology, and that Holdren will get this to the president's ear. In Woodwell's view, Obama is hamstrung by government (current laws and regulations to act forcefully). Woodwell laments not having enough power to force change (he's painted AGW as critical, with absolutely no time left to tolerate pseudoscience and industry abuses) --- the only thing he can suggest is raising hell as loud as everyone can (HUGE applause).

More from Q&A in last half-hour where Woodwell accuses “deniers” and “contrarians” of being stupid and/or driven by profits, full of religion and political baggage.

[Exactly as expressed by British Science Adviser John Beddington in his speech posted above: “There are enough difficult and important problems out there without having to… deal with what is politically or morally or religiously motivated nonsense.”]

[excerpt from Woodwell's prepared speech] "..We have one political party in the United States that’s committed to smaller government and to growth at the same time. They are absolutely mutually exclusive. That is silliness; it makes no sense at all. We have to have more government if we’re going to have more growth, and more rules, more thoroughly pervasive rules that establish the stability of the biophysical system that we all depend on. Building that change is going to take a major effort on the part of the scientific community first in defining it, and second in executing it – persuading the conservation community that it has to have clear objectives that will work............... [end excerpt]

Green NASA global warming activist, James Hansen:... (starting at 45:26 into the 51:19 interview)

Dian Rehm’s question to James Hansen (NASA): “Are you calling for trials for energy company executives.”

James Hansen: “CEOs are guilty of crimes against humanity if they continue to dispute what is understood scientifically and continue to fund contrarians.”

1 posted on 02/16/2011 3:12:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Zionist Conspirator
...scientists to be “grossly intolerant” if science is being misused by religious...

Sounds fair.   I'm religious and I'm “grossly intolerant” whenever I see religion misused by scientists.

2 posted on 02/16/2011 3:22:47 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When science starts out with an agenda or goes in with preconceived notions then it is garbage.
Still it will be called “science”.


3 posted on 02/16/2011 3:22:47 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Beddington also had harsh words for journalists who treat the opinions of non-scientist commentators as being equivalent to the opinions of what he called “properly trained, properly assessed” scientists. “The media see the discussions about really important scientific events as if it’s a bloody football match. It is ridiculous.”

If you have time to listen to the James Hansen NPR radio interview linked above, you will hear (toward the end) the same sentiments, that he is amused, insulted and refuses to be interviewed alongside a "contrarian" because it elevates pseudoscience.

4 posted on 02/16/2011 3:25:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wow! Just wow!


5 posted on 02/16/2011 3:28:37 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Climate change has the same agenda as government run health care and government run jobs stimulus -— control.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 3:30:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
“If you have time to listen to the James Hansen NPR radio interview linked above, you will hear (toward the end) the same sentiments, that he is amused, insulted and refuses to be interviewed alongside a “contrarian” because it elevates pseudoscience.”

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if in his day Ptolemy felt the same way. Didn't quite work out for him. Bleeding people was also mainstream ‘science’ not long ago, and contributed to the death of George Washington.

To people like Hansen I would just like to say ‘Dogma is the enemy of truth’.

7 posted on 02/16/2011 3:48:52 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So, they want to apply hate crime laws to anyone who deviates from the politically correct orthodoxy of what science should be. Do believe in man made global warming? - Go to jail.


8 posted on 02/16/2011 3:58:26 AM PST by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Do = Don’t


9 posted on 02/16/2011 4:00:14 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Putting anti-homosexual attitudes and pseudo-science peddling on a par with racism? Too busy to stand there and refute it intellectually?
Racism is to modern times what devil worship was to an earlier era. It exists, here and there, but not as frequently as it’s used for smearing.
“I saw a succubus fly into Goody Gumm’s window. If she hath enjoyed congress with the damned, it is her sovereign right to express her diablosexuality; but she would afterwards harbor racist opinions of her laundress, Carmelita.”


10 posted on 02/16/2011 4:06:01 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (BYOST -- bring your own sark tag. Thank you.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Right after his oft quoted words on the “military-industrial complex”, Eisenhower had this to say:

"Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."

12 posted on 02/16/2011 4:17:41 AM PST by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Incorrigible

When an apple falls from a tree, it goes up, Ya got that, it goes up, IT GOES UP, GET THAT THRU YER HEAD, IT GOES UP.


13 posted on 02/16/2011 4:37:22 AM PST by Waco (From Seward to Sara)
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To: expat_panama

“We are grossly intolerant, and properly so, of people who [are] anti-homosexuality”

Stopped reading right there.

Colonel, USAFR


14 posted on 02/16/2011 4:39:06 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We’re ‘scientists’ and WE know best.

So STFU and worship us!


15 posted on 02/16/2011 4:58:59 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: jagusafr
Hmm, I hadn't read that far because the whole piece seemed so flippin' air-headed.   Somehow I'd have thought a scientist would be focused on what is instead of caring about other peoples likes and dislikes.
16 posted on 02/16/2011 5:14:06 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Alternative Title:

Gulobal Warming crowd start to fight back after big kick in the nads!

Mel


17 posted on 02/16/2011 5:30:16 AM PST by melsec
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Flippin hypocrits...absolutely amazing that they dare to have all people respect science and call those who don’t akin to homophobes because after all science supports that homosexuality is not a choice...right? Flippin liar!


18 posted on 02/16/2011 5:46:43 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: beef; All
Some “roots" of "settled science” and the politics of power over the people.

Agronomist --- [Trofim] Lysenko himself spent much time denouncing academic scientists and geneticists, claiming that their isolated laboratory work was not helping the Soviet people. By 1929 Lysenko's skeptics were politically censured, accused of offering only criticisms, and for failing to prescribe any new solutions themselves. In December 1929, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin gave a famous speech praising "practice" above "theory", elevating the political bosses above the scientists and technical specialists. Though for a period the Soviet government under Stalin continued its support of agricultural scientists, after 1935 the balance of power abruptly swung towards Lysenko and his followers.

Lysenko was put in charge of the Academy of Agricultural Sciences of the Soviet Union and made responsible for ending the propagation of "harmful" ideas among Soviet scientists. Lysenko served this purpose by causing the expulsion, imprisonment, and death of hundreds of scientists and eliminating all study and research involving Mendelian genetics throughout the Soviet Union. This period is known as Lysenkoism. He bears particular responsibility for the persecution of his predecessor and rival, prominent Soviet biologist Nikolai Vavilov, which ended in 1943 with the imprisoned Vavilov's death by starvation. In 1941 Lysenko was awarded the Stalin Prize. [end excerpt]

Lysenkoism is used colloquially to describe the manipulation or distortion of the scientific process as a way to reach a predetermined conclusion as dictated by an ideological bias, often related to social or political objectives.” >

"Agronomy is the science and technology of producing and using plants for food, fuel, feed, fiber, and reclamation. Agronomy encompasses work in the areas of plant genetics, plant physiology, meteorology, and soil science. Agronomy is the application of a combination of sciences like biology, chemistry, ecology, earth science, and genetics. Agronomists today are involved with many issues including producing food, creating healthier food, managing environmental impact of agriculture, and creating energy from plants."

The Nazi Origins of Apocalyptic Global Warming Theory "...Guenther Schwab joined the advisory panel of "The Society of Biological Anthropology, Eugenics and Behavior Research." Schwab was especially concerned with the burgeoning population explosion of the Third World that he was sure would eventually overrun Europe. By advocating modern racial science based on genetics, Schwab believed that the population bomb, together with its associated environmental degradation, could be averted. Here, Schwab shows his basic commitment to the Nazi SS doctrine of ‘blood and soil' -- an explosive concoction of eugenics and environmentalism loaded with eco-imperialistic ambitions that had devastating consequences on the Eastern Front in World War II....."

Sokal-- Deference to Authority: obscurantism internalized

The Displacement of the idea that facts and evidence matter, by the idea that everything boils down to subjective interests and perspectives is — second only to American political campaigns — the most prominent and pernicious manifestation of anti-intellectualism in our time. — Larry Laudan, Science and Relativism (1990)

The Sokal Affair(1996) was a publishing hoax that New York University physicist Alan Sokal perpetrated on the editors and readers of Social Text, an academic journal of post-modern cultural studies that was not then peer-reviewed. In 1996, as an experiment testing editorial integrity (fact-checking, peer review), Prof. Sokal submitted a pseudoscientific article — proposing that physical reality is a social construct — to learn if Social Text would “publish an article liberally salted with nonsense if: (a) it sounded good, and, (b) it flattered the editors’ ideological preconceptions.”

SYNDICALISM is a type of economic system proposed as a replacement for capitalism and state socialism which uses federations of collectivised trade unions or industrial unions. It is a form of economic corporatism that advocates interest aggregation of multiple non-competitive categorised units to negotiate and manage an economy.

For adherents, labor unions are the potential means of both overcoming economic aristocracy and running society fairly in the interest of the majority, through union democracy. Industry in a syndicalist system would be run through co-operative confederations and mutual aid. Local syndicates would communicate with other syndicates through the Bourse du Travail (labor exchange) which would manage and transfer commodities.

Syndicalism is also used to refer to the tactic of bringing about this social arrangement, typically expounded by anarcho-syndicalism and De Leonism, in which a general strike begins and workers seize their means of production and organise in a federation of trade unionism, such as the CNT. Throughout its history, the reformist section of syndicalism has been overshadowed by its revolutionary section, typified by the IWW or the Federación Anarquista Ibérica section of the CNT.....................[snip]

Theory and Practice

Syndicalism is one of the three most common currents of socialist economics, together with Market socialism and socialist planned economies. It holds, on an ethical basis, that all participants in an organised trade internally share equal ownership of its production. By contrast, socialism emphasises distributing output among trades as required by each trade, not necessarily considering how trades organise internally.

Syndicalism is non-governmental and while some people say it is privatism, unlike communism, others[who?] maintain that it is more accurate to associate it with the civic sector. Communism rejects government-sanctioned private ownership of the means of production in favor of ownership by the class of individuals who actually use such property (i.e., the workers or proletariat, who under most variants of communism would have control of the state as well, muddling the distinction between state and proletarian ownership).

In syndicalism, unions exist independent of the state rather than needing the state's micromanagement and central planning. As with businesses in capitalism, labor unions in syndicalism would likely share a complicated relationship of co-operation and opposition with the state (with the obvious exception of anarcho-syndicalism, under which there would be no state).

Syndicalists state that society is to be organised bottom-up based on direct democracy, confederation, workplace democracy and decentralized socialism, and that to get to such a society they may either initiate a general strike through direct action and workplace occupation or - in the case of reformist syndicalists - develop the syndicalist economics alongside the state, in competition to it.

Where they’re linked: Organized Labor

Hitler: Fascism “Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?”

The Big Lie: “But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.

All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.” —Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]

The New World Coming: Climatic Disruption and the Clash of World Views “The environmental system at the moment is conspicuously not working, and the gap between what the scientific community that I represent and the political and economic communities can do about it is increasing day by day. The problem is that the compromises that work and lubricate the political and economic systems do not apply to the biotic systems where basic rules of nature dominate and are simply not open to easy modification. Another fact is that the connections between those three lines, all of which are absolutely necessary if we are going to have a civilization into the future, are breaking down. And we have feedback from the failures in the biophysical world into the economic and political world in Pakistan at the moment, and Guatemala, Haiti, Somalia and other nations around the world, all of which are suffering from the extreme degradation of their environment to where it is not possible to have a viable economic system or viable political system.”

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MUST READ: Liberal Fascism By Jonah Goldberg.

19 posted on 02/16/2011 6:09:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: WayneS; All
Not just scientists, it's a network:

GOVERNMENT, EDUCATION, SCIENCE, JOURNALISM, RELIGION:

U.S. Department of Education NEA: National Education Association

ED.gov --Feb 15, 2011: Advancing Student Achievement Through Labor-Management Collaboration “The pressure is on all of us -- and the four million students in your districts are counting on labor, management, and state governments to set an example of how America can provide a world-class education.”

EPA: Environmental Protection Agency “40 years of protecting health and the environment”

Environmental Justice and the Seven Priorities for EPA’s Future “Expanding the Conversation on Environmentalism and Working for Environmental Justice: We have begun a new era of outreach and protection for communities historically underrepresented in EPA decision-making. We are building strong working relationships with tribes, communities of color, economically distressed cities and towns, young people and others, but this is just a start. We must include environmental justice principles in all of our decisions. This is an area that calls for innovation and bold thinking, and I am challenging all of our employees to bring vision and creativity to our programs. The protection of vulnerable subpopulations is a top priority, especially with regard to children. Our revitalized Children’s Health Office is bringing a new energy to safeguarding children through all of our enforcement efforts. We will ensure that children’s health protection continues to guide the path forward.”

John P. Holdren: White House Office of Science and technology believes in population control, de-developing the United States, and global climate disruption.

James Hansen (NASA-Goddard) Global Climate Change Activist

NASA is now GREEN ClimateNASA.gov

Layer upon layer of green departments at DoE: Department of Energy The Office of Policy and International Affairs (PI) serves as the focal point within the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) for the development, coordination, and implementation of DOE-related aspects of climate change technical programs, policies, and initiatives. The Office of Climate Change Policy and Technology, located within PI, provides supporting policy, planning, technical and analytical services to carry out this function. To the extent delegated by the Secretary, the Office provides similar services to other Federal agencies and to Cabinet and sub-Cabinet-level interagency policy committees that work on climate change-related policy, science, technology, and greenhouse gas (GHG) mitigation programs………..”

Creation Care for Pastors “We recognize that creation care is a part of the call to Christian discipleship. We are committed to integrating biblical principles of environmental stewardship into the life of our church. As first steps, we commit ourselves to improving our energy conservation practices, reducing waste through recycling, and promoting greater concern for God’s creation. We seek to learn more about the impact of climate change, species loss, and other environmental problems on the vulnerable poor, doing our part to address these concerns for the benefit of all.” Sermons to use Organizations and Ministries

Creation Care Science Advisors includes among others, James Hansen of NASA.

SEJ: The Society of Environmental JournalistsYour source for environment, energy, science health and climate reporting.”

20 posted on 02/16/2011 6:11:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Joe Boucher
1 Tim 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called
21 posted on 02/16/2011 6:11:49 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: Incorrigible; All
Popular Culture:

Avatar "The film broke several box office records during its release and became the highest-grossing film of all time in the U.S. and Canada"

Earth in the Balance Required viewing in public schools

National Geographic Inspiring people to care about the planet since 1888

22 posted on 02/16/2011 6:19:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: beef

First time I heard about that. Thanks.


23 posted on 02/16/2011 6:51:23 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: jagusafr

If it were possible to nail jello to a wall,
I’d like to ask these people what they base their justification for intolerance of anti-homosexuality on.

After all, the justification for being pro-homo is based on relativism, or on the lack of absolute standards.

Therefor, they have no leg to stand on when judging others, because their standard for judgement cannot, by definition, be “better” than anyone else’s without an absolute standard to compare it to.


24 posted on 02/16/2011 6:57:16 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: MrB

There ya go, bein’ all logical and stuff. The default position of liberals who are challenged is, “You have to be stupid if you don’t agree with me”.

How helpful...

Colonel, USAFR


25 posted on 02/16/2011 7:06:20 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: MrB

This man is wielding the broad brush, claiming that if you don’t agree that global warming is real and become an activist against global climate deniers, then you are in bed (so to speak) with people who disparage homosexuals or people who are racist, ie wrong-headed and dangerous.


26 posted on 02/16/2011 7:21:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Elsie
ANOTHER article about MORMON archeology!

Never miss an opportunity for a gratuitous insult, do you.

27 posted on 02/16/2011 9:33:28 AM PST by jimt
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To: Joe Boucher
When science starts out with an agenda or goes in with preconceived notions then it is garbage. Still it will be called “science”.

Not quite. It is the politicians that start out with and agenda then pay to get the answers they want.

31 posted on 02/16/2011 11:03:43 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I more or less agree with the sentiment of the article. For instance, it was ludicrous for Meryl Streep to testify against Alar before Congress since she was in a movie about something related to farming.

One way to pick out true scientists vs. those who are trying to push an opinion or agenda is the way the scientist uses the language. A scientist uttering firm statements filled with words like “settled” or “the scientific community agrees” is trying to pull off a snow job. Science is not that certain. A scientist who uses what I call “hedge words” such as “the evidence could mean ___” or “this supports our belief that ___” is being honest.

While I’ve seen many times the complaint that scientists won’t ever come out and just state whatever they’re trying to say, the reason they talk the way they do is that they routinely deal with uncertainties, and they know that the current thinking may be revised at any time.


32 posted on 02/17/2011 4:32:08 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

-——Science is not that certain. -———

That is, it is ok to be uncertain.

The need to cling to absolute certainty is intellectual dishonesty


33 posted on 02/17/2011 4:43:31 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I must be missing something. Isn't Anthropogenic Global Warming the classic example of a pseudo-science that is being misused by politicians and agenda-driven "scientists"?

I am fully in favor of being "intolerant" of that sort of tripe!

34 posted on 02/17/2011 10:44:32 AM PST by NJ_Tom (Who ever thought that Kenya would be the next nuclear power?)
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To: exDemMom
One way to pick out true scientists vs. those who are trying to push an opinion or agenda is the way the scientist uses the language.

This can be applied to other fieldss other than Science as well.

35 posted on 02/17/2011 11:15:52 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MrB

No one has complained about your posting of SCRIPTURE in a SCIENCE thread?

HMMmmm...


36 posted on 02/17/2011 11:17:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimt; Colofornian; SENTINEL; colorcountry; Godzilla; svcw; greyfoxx39; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
I find it a bit strange, that in a thread titled
 
Selective use of science ‘as bad as racism or homophobia’ (war against "bad" science)

 
 some one would actually find that a simple phrase:
 
 
ANOTHER article about MORMON archeology!

Never miss an opportunity for a gratuitous insult, do you.

 
27 posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:33:28 PM by jimt
 
 
 
would be considered an insult.
 
 

 
 
 
Google® it and see what's out there...
 
 
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADFA_enUS397US398&q=mormon+archeology

37 posted on 02/17/2011 11:21:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Without the assumptions of the God of the Bible,
science cannot be done.

Ask the Muslims - any assumption of uniformity or induction is considered to be a blasphemy, “chaining Allah”.


38 posted on 02/17/2011 11:23:05 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: exDemMom
You're correct. Science is never settled. And when some scientists begin locking other scientists out (and calling on "authority figures" like Al Gore), preventing them from publishing in peer reviewed journals, they're out to block opposing views.

The only reason for is that they have an agenda, and that is not science that is advocacy. Too many of these global warming activists have been in academia all their lives. They buy into the idea that they are more intelligent, more informed and now what is best for the masses.

They mingle only with other "elites" and stroke each others' vanity. It's like inbreeding--not good. The truth is, they have been insulated from real work situations, other ideas and truths of life. They don't know what is good for anyone, including themselves.

39 posted on 02/17/2011 11:28:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Elsie

Would you please comment on the content of the post.

If you want to discuss gay issues please take it elsewhere.


40 posted on 02/17/2011 11:30:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: exDemMom

Sorry about the typos.

“...The only reason for this is that they have an agenda, and that is not science that is advocacy. Too many of these global warming activists have been in academia all their lives. They buy into the idea that they are more intelligent, more informed and know what is best for the masses....”


41 posted on 02/17/2011 11:33:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The Green Nazis and Google are teaming up to bring this into your child's classroom.

Global Warming Student Speakout - Top 50 Ideas

Google recently partnered with Global SchoolNet to invite teachers and students to use Google Docs & Spreadsheets collaborative software in a project to brainstorm strategies for combating global warming. Children of all ages from more than 80 schools around the world participated, and on November 27th we took out a full-page ad in USA Today to put their ideas in the spotlight. Without further ado, here are their top 50 ideas:

http://www.google.com/educators/globalwarming_results.html

42 posted on 02/17/2011 11:41:00 AM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: dragonblustar

I’ve seen elementary students in the news imploring their representatives (practically in tears) over this issue.

It’s mind control scare tactics.

I bet they get extra credit for it.

It is all tied up in socialist control.

It has to be told to kids straight. (I did this last Christmas to all my grandchildren in front of their parents).

They now have permission to be “skeptics.” Kids really aren’t stupid and can pick up on what makes sense and what doesn’t if they have the knowledge and tools to see what has happened. Of course I reinforce it when an opportunity arises.

In fact it teaches them the wonderful lesson of not believing something because they’ve been told it is so by people in authority or because it is written in a newspaper, book or on TV or in a movie.


43 posted on 02/17/2011 12:19:50 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: dragonblustar
And thank you for the link!

# Include global warming/climate change in school curricula (as part of National Science Standards), so when the students are in charge they can make educated decisions.
# Increase availability of low-interest Energy Efficient Mortgages to support homeowners who increase the energy efficiency of their homes.
# Put light sensors in all office and school buildings so all lights go off when the rooms are empty.
# Require that all products contributing to global warming be marked with a specific color (e.g., chemical pesticides could be marked with a red sticker for being extremely dangerous to the environment).
# Use less paper; use the back of the paper to print on or write on; use recyled paper.
# Plant more trees to reduce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
# Teach recycling techniques in classes and school-wide programs.
# Make recycling mandatory in all public facilities, such as schools, parks and beaches.
# Do public service announcements on TV featuring celebrities promoting carpooling, walking, riding bikes, using public transportation, conserving electricity and recycling.
# Give grants and tax credits to companies that invest in alternative, sustainable, emission-free fuel technologies while ending such subsidies for fosssil fuel production.
# The media should conduct interviews of legislators to help the public become aware of their ability and willingness to help solve the problem.
# Replace incandescence light bulbs with fluorescence light bulbs.
# Restrict the use of chemical fertilizer in agriculture.
# Provide incentives and policies to encourage car makers to make more fuel efficient cars.
# Protect wetlands and preserve more open space.
# Provide tax incentives for regular recyclers and car poolers.
# Use solar panels in the construction of new homes and office buildings.
# Substitute local community transportation fleets with hybrid vehicles.
# Require that car dealers hand out fact sheets that inform car buyers about the pollution levels of different cars.
# Send scientists to talk about global warming in schools. They can bring hands-on activities so students feel more involved.
# Unplug all electronics from the wall when they're not in use.
# Have another Global Warming Student Speakout in one year - to see if any of these ideas have been implemented.
# Raise mandatory emissions standards for cars and other vehicles sold in the US.
# Use solar power in the day and use electricity at night when needed.
# Give tax rebates for using solar power.
# Congress should ratify the Kyoto Agreement.
# Establish off-shore wind farms - saves land space and produces reliable power.
# Levy higher taxes on companies that pollute the air.
# Wait until you have a lot of clothes to wash before using the washing machine.
# Provide tax incentives for companies that create Hybrid cars. That will reduce the need for oil.
# Schools and businesses should be fined for not having recycling bins available to the people on their premises.
# The media should tell us about what is really going on with global warming. We don't think that we have all the information we need.
# At the end of the weather forecast, report “CO2 emissions levels today…” or comparative average temperatures (i.e., this year's temperature as it compares to the past several years).
# Lead by example and convert 50% of government vehicles to environmentally friendly cars by the year 2020.
# Place recycling bins throughout the city wherever there is a trash can.
# Require companies to limit the amount of packaging an item can have and it must be recyclable.
# Block bills that cause more damage to the environment.
# Media could reduce advertising costs for alternative energy products to inform and increase sales in these areas.
# Keep your tires fully inflated to improve gas mileage.
# Replace old appliances with Energy Star appliances.
# Promote awareness of local recycling centers.
# Require college and high school students to take a global warming class.
# Give tax reductions to public transportation users.
# Protect our oceans - prevent plankton in the ocean from dying.
# People running for elections should use email, radio and other media to campaign and stop using so many paper signs and flyers that use up our natural resources and then get left out and become pollution.
# Reuse newspapers as wrapping paper for gifts.
# Enforce laws about littering.
# Use less electricity, turn off the TV, read books, walk, run, bike, surf, play tennis.
# Business should require employees to telecommute several days a week.

# Provide scientists appropriate resources to help them research the future of energy and the freedom to explore innovative ideas.

LOVE that last one.....follow the money, I say!!

Global Warming Student Speakout

44 posted on 02/17/2011 12:28:35 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: All

Town with nine bins for every home (to save the environment and EU Unions)
Telegraph UK ^ | February 17, 2011 | Louise Gray, Earth News

“The research found that in Newcastle-under-Lyme, residents are asked to sort their waste into nine different bins and bags.

A further 20 councils provide seven bins for food waste, different recycling streams and other rubbish. More than 100 town halls ask residents to sort rubbish into 5 or more bins.

Residents in these areas say it is impossible to find room in the house for all the different bins and complain that the system is “too complicated and complex”.

[snip]

In Newcastle-under-Lyme Council, north Staffordshire, residents are asked to dump food waste in a silver slop bucket for food waste, which is then emptied into a larger, green outdoor bin every week. There is a pink bag for plastic bottles, a blue box for glass, foil, tins and aerosols, a green bag for cardboard, a white bag for textiles and blue bags for paper and magazines, which are all collected on alternate weeks with garden waste and black bin bags.

Sylvia Butler, 59, a retired teacher and former councillor in the area, said many residents are just dumping recycling in black bin bags rather than bothering to sort waste.

“It is too complicated and too complex,” she said. “Other areas have three containers, we have nine, it is just too confusing,” she said.

[snip]

“At a time when council budgets are already under extreme pressure, councils will not want to spend money on unnecessary bins so that they can meet recycling targets and avoid being hit by heavy European Union fines.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2675087/posts


45 posted on 02/17/2011 12:30:11 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This green propaganda that’s being pushed on my child is a wonderful teaching tool. When I showed my child the news reports on how global warming is a scam, it furthers her distrust for the school system and government authorities.


46 posted on 02/17/2011 12:30:50 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm trying to show everyone this.

I found the link in my child's weekly folder in a science magazine, "science studies weekly", produced by a democrat in Utah running for office. He had his two adult children take over the publishing company while he ran for office.

47 posted on 02/17/2011 12:36:47 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: dragonblustar

The massive networking they have is mind boggling.

It takes us getting it out there and it will spread because people just KNOW instinctively that this push for green and the climate hysteria doesn’t ring true.

They just need to know the truth. They’ll jump on it! (of course the brain dead won’t). And there is nothing more active than someone who realizes someone with an agenda has hoodwinked them and their children and is running their country into the ditch and to the poor house.


48 posted on 02/17/2011 12:43:47 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If you want to discuss gay issues please take it elsewhere.

???

49 posted on 02/17/2011 2:08:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wonderful list. I really like this one:

# Plant more trees to reduce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

You know what happens to most of that carbon dioxide the trees pull out of the air over the summer?

That's right, you rake it off your lawn in the fall. Sometimes, the wind blows it into the neighbor's lawns, and they end up raking it up. Either way, when those leaves decay, that carbon dioxide goes right back into the air.

50 posted on 02/17/2011 2:19:36 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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