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Class acts give lie to race card : The incredible phenomenon of Asian success in schools
New York Post ^ | 02/16/2011 | Michael Goodwin

Posted on 02/16/2011 7:55:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Here we go again. In a winter ritual as familiar as snow, the results of specialized high-school admissions are sparking the usual hand-wringing and finger-pointing about a shortage of "minorities" and a lack of "diversity" at the best city schools.

With the announcement that black eighth-graders make up only 5 percent of students accepted to eight specialized schools next year and Hispanic students only 6 percent, fevered accusations run the range from prejudice to prejudice. New Yorkers once again are being lectured by the media and others that the results prove the deck is stacked in favor of the privileged, which is another way of saying "white."

But facts are stubborn things, and they put the lie to those race-baiting claims.

The professional pot-stirrers can reach their conclusions only by dismissing the incredible phenomenon of Asian success. Last time I looked, Asians are nonwhite minorities, too, yet they are the superstars of New York education.

Many are also immigrants who come from poor families who do not speak English. All of which means city educrats should be celebrating their achievements and trying to duplicate them among other students.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asian; education; publicschools; race

1 posted on 02/16/2011 7:56:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The left has managed to ignore the dichotomy in their racism narrative evidenced by the success of asians in America for decades now, I don't suspect they'll have any problem ignoring it for decades to come.
2 posted on 02/16/2011 7:58:53 AM PST by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

Some New York City School stats:

* Asian Students represent only 15 percent of city students

* Asian students, including those from China, Korea, India and Pakistan, already account for upwards of 60 percent of the population at top high schools, such as Stuyvesant and Bronx Science. The pattern continues with the latest test results.

* Asians were 26 percent of the 28,211 students who qualified to take the 2011 competitive high-schools exam.

* Asians were 47 percent of those scoring well enough to get accepted.

* Non-Hispanic whites were 15 percent of test takers,

* Non-Hispanic white were 23 percent of those accepted.

* Blacks were 23 percent of test takers

* Blacks were 5 percent of those accepted.

* Hispanics were 21 percent of test takers

* Hispanics were 6 percent of those accepted.

* New York City doesn’t know the race and ethnicity of 18 percent of those accepted.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/class_acts_give_lie_to_race_card_zaHPrQcnROO44ryaf5lD3O#ixzz1E8bJcK5e


3 posted on 02/16/2011 7:59:03 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Here at the University, Asian students consistently out perform everyone else.

They work and study like crazy and succeed at everything they do.

4 posted on 02/16/2011 8:02:48 AM PST by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is the parents. Asian families often have two, and they expect and encourage academic success from their children.


5 posted on 02/16/2011 8:03:50 AM PST by LOC1
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To: skeeter

Remember the mortgage issue?
That blacks were turned down at greater rates than whites when certain cherry picked criteria were used?
(They only used income instead of net worth in their comparison.)

Well, “Whites” were turned down at a greater rate than Asians, using the same comparison criteria. But of course, you never hear that, because that’s not part of the Agenda.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 8:03:50 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: LOC1

That’s exactly what the left wants to keep hidden - families matter.

Their entire agenda is to destroy the family and replace it with dependence on government.


7 posted on 02/16/2011 8:07:39 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: skeeter

DNA tells all.


8 posted on 02/16/2011 8:08:01 AM PST by x_plus_one (Who sews the wind reaps the storm...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Asian kids in NYC schools are for the most part the children of people who were smart enough, brave enough, and determined enough to come to a new country and work fiercely hard for success. They know how fortunate they are to be here because they’ve seen how much worse things are back home; they harbor no resentments about the system mistreating them. They impart these values to their children and make them work hard. This pattern is common among immigrants and their children. I know; I’m the daughter of an immigrant.

Compare and contrast with the situation of inner-city minority kids in this country. Who are their role models? Who is going to be able to motivate them and help them with their homework?

Don’t get me wrong: there are a lot of really involved, determined minority parents who are poor but are trying hard to help their kids succeed.


9 posted on 02/16/2011 8:08:31 AM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: x_plus_one

I suspect it’s equally, if not more, related to culture. Asian culture reinforces academic achievement, Black culture not so much. However, Thomas Sowell found big differences related to achievement among African blacks as opposed to West Indian blacks; again suggesting that culture is the key.


10 posted on 02/16/2011 8:10:48 AM PST by sand lake bar
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To: SeekAndFind

My wife is Asian and our daughter did quite well in school. However any racial component was cultural rather than genetic. We set and enforced standards. School work came first and what was learned was more important than grades as grades are often inflated so all can “succeed”. No means no and yes means yes. You love your kid by helping them achieve their full potential. This used to be American every bit as much as Asian.


11 posted on 02/16/2011 8:17:33 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: skeeter
All of which means city educrats should be celebrating their achievements and trying to duplicate them among other students
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Educrats are NOT NOT NOT going to study Asian success or try to duplicate it. Why?

Answer: Because 99.999% of Asian success is due to the AFTERSCHOOLING these kids do IN THE HOME!!!

Answer: The only thing the government schools are doing for these Asian kids is sending home a curriculum for the families, and the kids, themselves, to follow. The government eduwonks mere give tests and grade projects.

Answer: If eduwonks really studied Asian success they *KNOW** what they would find. Asian kids would likely do even better if they NEVER ATTENDED A GOVERNMENT SCHOOL!

Answer: A thorough study of Asian success would likely show that government schooling is retarding Asian progress and actually holding these kids back! ( Yes, I seriously mean this.)

Answer: Likely **all** of the students accepted to this elite government high school could and SHOULD be finishing COLLEGE at the age of 18 and moving on to graduate work instead of rotting in a government school!

Two anecdotal examples:

— A government teacher and acquaintance of mine is a high school math teacher. One of her students, an Asian, is now working on differential equations, on his own, IN THE HOME. This kid has already passed AP Calculus. Will the government school let him move on to the local college? NO!

— My three homeschoolers were in college by the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All finished all general required courses and Calculus III by the age of 15. Two were the youngest students to ever be admitted to our flagship state university and graduated with B.S. degrees in math at the age of 18. A full-page and full-color article was done on them in the university paper, other articles in local papers were also done.

NO eduwonk has ever contacted out family. NO teacher has ever expressed any interest in how we accomplished this. Why?

Answer: Because they are not interested in finding out how to best educate kids. They are, though, interested in maintaining their salaries, generous vacations, benefits, and pensions.

( Not proof read.)

12 posted on 02/16/2011 8:21:42 AM PST by wintertime
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To: SeekAndFind

How is this possible in a world of “structural racism” and “white privilege”?

How is that Jews and Asians are so successful in this country? The legacy of the Chinese Exclusion Act and centuries of pogroms in Europe and the Middle East seems inoperative in America.

The last thing liberals want to do is have a really honest conversation about the public school system. There are much bigger inconvenient truths than “global warming.”


13 posted on 02/16/2011 8:26:51 AM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: JimSEA

An interesting observation:

Americans of German ancestry in the Midwest and German school kids in Germany and Austria have roughly the same test scores. This comes in spite of the fact that German-Americans live on a different continent and no longer speak their native language.

How is it possible that kids who live in the same town, go to the same public schools, speak the same language, celebrate the same holidays, and sit in the same classroom and get the same homework from the same teachers manage to consistently produce such intractable differences in average test scores by ancestral group whereas their peers abroad - their cousins - are so remarkably similar?


14 posted on 02/16/2011 8:32:46 AM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: SeekAndFind

Its all about culture

also, speaking very generally, while some elite blacks and hispanics are rising, the larger equalizing factor is that whites are being dumbed-down, both academically and culturally.


15 posted on 02/16/2011 8:33:09 AM PST by PGR88
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To: sand lake bar

I’m a little tired of the use of the demographic “Asian”. It has no meaning except in the mind of people who don’t think too deeply. Do the Japanese have any ethic, cultural, or religious ties to Pakistanis? How about Sri Lankans and Mongolians? What about Koreans and Israelis? Russians and Filipinos? They’re all “Asian” but may not be perceived or reported that way. The point is that data presented the way it is currently being done is useless and misleading at best, and needs to be broken down into some meaningful measure.


16 posted on 02/16/2011 8:42:02 AM PST by stormer
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To: skeeter
The professional pot-stirrers can reach their conclusions only by dismissing the incredible phenomenon of Asian success

Why don't these pot-stirrers ever ask the 5% or 6% of black and hispanic youths what they did to become accepted to these schools?

I keep hearing these stories all the time: "only x % of blacks passed a test" or "only x% of hispanics were accepted into some school", but you never hear these race hustlers ask the few who are accepted into schools or pass tests what their "secret" is.

The reason why is obvious -- these troublemakers will not like the answers they will hear, especially when those answers won't fit the "racism" template.

17 posted on 02/16/2011 8:43:39 AM PST by PallMal
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To: stormer

Then let’s say east-Asian, or (horrors) that old term “Oriental.”


18 posted on 02/16/2011 8:45:01 AM PST by sand lake bar
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To: sand lake bar
...or (horrors) that old term “Oriental.

Oooooo! You are RACIST! /sarc!!
19 posted on 02/16/2011 8:53:38 AM PST by ExTxMarine ("Convictions are more dangerous to truth than lies." ~ F. Nietzsche)
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To: sand lake bar

A very good friend’s mother is Japanese and her father is white American. That term really bugs her, so I use it often. I was walking through a neighborhood in Beijing when ahead I saw two black men talking. I thought, “There’s something you don’t see everyday, black Americans in China - I think I’ll go say hello.” As I walk up to them I realized they were speaking Chinese, and there a couple of mixed race kids playing nearby. Blew me away - black Chinese - I never even thought of it. My point is that we make an awful lot of assumptions based on some pretty flimsy evidence...


20 posted on 02/16/2011 8:59:36 AM PST by stormer
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To: SeekAndFind

Why are people from the subcontinent who are Caucasian -I.e Indo-European, classified with East Asians who are of the Mongoloid race?


21 posted on 02/16/2011 9:00:06 AM PST by hecht (TAKE BACK OUR NATION AND OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM)
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To: stormer

I’ve had the same experience in both Beijing and Taipei!


22 posted on 02/16/2011 9:01:09 AM PST by sand lake bar
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To: JimSEA

How do you know it was cultural and not genetic? All of these “culture only” people seem to believe what they want and ignore whatever possiblities they don’t like. There is pretty surely both a cultural AND a genetic component. There is NO evidence denying that likelihood.


23 posted on 02/16/2011 9:03:35 AM PST by mangonc2
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To: ExTxMarine

The politically correct ban on the use of the term, “Oriental” was the work of Maria Hsia and the Clinton administration. It was an attempt to unite all Asians under one umbrella term (kind of like what Clapper was saying about the Muslim Brotherhood) and create one big lobby group as opposed to separate smaller groups.


24 posted on 02/16/2011 9:04:47 AM PST by Eva
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To: SeekAndFind

Bookmark.


25 posted on 02/16/2011 9:04:58 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: hecht

Good point.....I have a South-east Asian background, not Oriental.

Coming back to the issue, Asian families are grateful to be here. They respect America, and they are willing to work hard to make a better life for their kids. And they VALUE Education. Family is tight, both parents generally present and kids know they are expected to grasp the educational opportunities.

Family,Country and Opportunity - That’s why I love the US and am conservative to the bone. Can’t wait to kick the Obama grifters out :-)


26 posted on 02/16/2011 9:10:07 AM PST by Sloane_Ranger
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To: sand lake bar

China is a strangely wonderful place. The contrasts and the unexpected reality can really be challenging - travelling there taught me a lot about myself.


27 posted on 02/16/2011 9:10:10 AM PST by stormer
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To: mangonc2

No doubt whites are the superior race and the others are not really human. Satisfied. I’m tired of this nonsense and finished with such discussions. Kind of like I don’t argue with young earth creationists anymore.


28 posted on 02/16/2011 9:14:46 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah yes...I’ve been spouting about this for ages.... racist race baiters like Jackson and Sharpton have made a career about accusing the “man” for keeping minorities down, but that doesn’t hold water in that Asian Americans are disproportinately over represented in universities and scientific jobs, as well as having a higher per capita income than whites. So the “man’ purposely puts whites in 2nd place to a minority?

Oh, and Asians managed to overepresent themselves in colleges the good old fashioned capitalist way...HARD WORK, not affirmative action.

Countries like China, South Korea, and Japan have young people and students who are fiercely competitive, who strive for the limited spots at universities, and compaines and schools only take the best of the best. The US, meanwhile, strives for “diversity”, where the color of your skin determines the content of your character. We need more minorities at the best universities! never mind that they may be taking spots away from more qualified applicants. More diverisity!

Asian countries strive for excellence, where we strive for mediocrity, all in the name of diversity.

My dear poor America, down the spiral of meekness....


29 posted on 02/16/2011 9:21:54 AM PST by DecentAmerican
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To: SMARTY

RE: Here at the University, Asian students consistently out perform everyone else.


UCLA : University of Caucasians Lost in Asia

UCI : University of Chinese Immigrants

MIT: Made in Taiwan

UCSB : University of Casual Sex and Beer


30 posted on 02/16/2011 9:47:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Asians don’t play midnight basket ball,they study.


31 posted on 02/16/2011 10:17:42 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz
These Asians don't play midnight basketball either..


32 posted on 02/16/2011 10:25:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: ottbmare

I think most educators know exactly why and how Asian students are successful. Their lives out of school revolve around family and studying. There are no PS3’s, Nintendo’s, sleep overs, cell phones, Facebooks, or even organized sports. Music, of course, that’s a given - but time away from studying and family - not going to happen.

In one way, this is backfiring on them. Asians are considered Over Represented Minorities for professional schools. My daughter is currently beginning her applications for medical schools and has shown me the data. A URM (Under Represented Minority) needs about a 27/28 MCAT and a 3.25 GPA to pretty much be in the solid running for admission. Whites - a 30 MCAT and a 3.50 GPA. But a ORM? They need a 33 - 35 with a 3.8+ GPA for a good serious look.

Fair or not - it’s just how it is.


33 posted on 02/16/2011 10:45:56 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

Not to quibble, but Asian kids have more cell phones, Nintendos, and PS3s than any other group I know. Not to mention karioki machines. They do tend to shy away from organized sports after the age of 9 or so, but I doubt that’s a good thing.


34 posted on 02/16/2011 10:48:39 AM PST by sand lake bar
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To: SeekAndFind

midnight basketball


35 posted on 02/16/2011 10:52:15 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: SoftballMominVA

RE: A URM (Under Represented Minority) needs about a 27/28 MCAT and a 3.25 GPA to pretty much be in the solid running for admission. Whites - a 30 MCAT and a 3.50 GPA. But a ORM? They need a 33 - 35 with a 3.8+ GPA for a good serious look.


Well, the scores are sufficiently close to get away with some sort of “unfairness”.

In Malaysia, the non-Bumiputras ( AKA Overseas Chinese and Indians who are not native Malays), have to score over 95% in the entrance exams to be even considered in one of their elite universities ( and even then, you’re not guaranteed to be accepted ). The Bumiputras ( native sons of Malaysia ) on the other hand need to score only above 75% to be accepted.

That’s a huge ( and obviously discriminatory ) gap right there.


36 posted on 02/16/2011 11:01:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The only reason the public schools in my area do as well as they do is because of the influx of Asian students. We used to have fistfights in the hallways of the local high schools because the white kids couldn’t keep up with them. That was years ago, and the Asian kids still outshine the other kids. No more fights in the hallways, though. The white kids got used to the fact that they probably weren’t going to do as well as the Asian kids.


37 posted on 02/16/2011 12:37:38 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: JimSEA

I should have added that they angrily refuse to even discuss the issues on which they are irrational. BTW, I was hardly saying whites were superior; if Asian kids do better academically then wouldn’t they be the “superior” ones? Why is it ok to say they may have a cultural advantage, but not a genetic one? You have a very strange (but not unusual) mindset.


38 posted on 02/16/2011 4:14:31 PM PST by mangonc2
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