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Was the Fall of the USSR a Good Thing?
The Volokh Conspiracy ^ | February 14, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 02/16/2011 8:59:59 AM PST by lbryce

University of Chicago Professor Brian Leiter isn’t so sure, and gives his reasons:

I should add, of course, that whether the collapse of the Soviet Union should be considered a good thing is a separate question. Certainly everyone (except the despots) welcomes the end of totalitarian regimes, though some of the former Soviet republics have remained thoroughly undemocratic, and Russia itself has moved strongly back in that direction. Then, of course, there was the enormous human cost to the collapse (increased mortality, a decline in longevity, and massive economic and thus human dislocation and suffering). Finally, certain other world-historic crimes, such as the U.S. war of aggression against Iraq, are unlikely to have occurred if the Soviet Union had remained intact.

Finally, certain other world-historic crimes, such as the U.S. war of aggression against Iraq, are unlikely to have occurred if the Soviet Union had remained intact.

I’m no fan of the Iraq war, but I’m sure America and the USSR could have found another proxy war to fight that would have been just as bad, if not worse. Elbabe(Quote) February 14, 2011, 8:00 pm 2. James Gibson says:

Outside of the fact that for a decade the Soviet Union/Russia was silent, I truly see no difference between the USA/USSR relationship of the 70s and the relationship of today between us and Russia. James Gibson(Quote)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deadcorpse; sovietunion; ussr
This question, topic has always bugged the heck out of me, I don't even want to talk about it. All I'll say is that even despite all the years since,the ability to examine every single facet of Communism, climb up into every orifice get whatever information (mostly) you want, asking such a question, does not bode well fo mankind.
1 posted on 02/16/2011 9:00:01 AM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce
Did the little pig cry wee wee wee all the way home?
2 posted on 02/16/2011 9:05:24 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: lbryce

It is easy to say this stuff now out of the context of when the USSR did indeed exist.

The death of a totalitarian regime that accounted for the loss of untold millions of lives and the enslavement of millions of others is always a good thing.


3 posted on 02/16/2011 9:06:12 AM PST by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: lbryce
USSR fell but the same commies are still in charge.

4 posted on 02/16/2011 9:06:24 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: DannyTN

Does Charlie Daniels play a mean fiddle?
Would Lee Ermey make an awesome therapist?
Was Abe Lincoln really honest?


5 posted on 02/16/2011 9:07:32 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: lbryce
-- Then, of course, there was the enormous human cost to the collapse (increased mortality, a decline in longevity, and massive economic and thus human dislocation and suffering---

--I call "hogwash" on this statement ---

6 posted on 02/16/2011 9:08:23 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: RichInOC

(Yeah, I know the original commercial asked if a retired DI would make a bad therapist. I like my version better.)


7 posted on 02/16/2011 9:09:22 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: lbryce

The only thing bad about it is now we don’t get a daily dose of how bad communism is.. The collective memory goes faint.


8 posted on 02/16/2011 9:14:30 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: lbryce

I don’t know. Lets ask someone from Poland.


9 posted on 02/16/2011 9:14:38 AM PST by marron
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Lets ask someone from Poland.

Or a Ukranian kulak, if you can find one.

10 posted on 02/16/2011 9:17:32 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: lbryce
certain other world-historic crimes, such as the U.S. war of aggression against Iraq...

I'm afraid this guy's perspective is too far skewed to have anything meaningful to say....

11 posted on 02/16/2011 9:18:32 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: RichInOC
I'm waiting for GEICO to do one about a bear in the woods...it would take some creativity to pull it off without being overly crude, but I'd like to see it.

But to answer the question about the USSR...do woodchucks chuck wood?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

12 posted on 02/16/2011 9:30:28 AM PST by wku man (Still holding my breath, but exhaling a bit after Nov. 2...)
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To: lbryce

Of course it is good thing. The problem is how U.S. squandered Cold war victory and sunk New American Century even before it began. In 1999, to be more precise.

The rise of Russia and BRIC is the result of combined efforts of incompetent governent and criminal Wall Street class, and vice versa.


13 posted on 02/16/2011 9:32:06 AM PST by DTA
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Yes, it was a good thing. For crying out loud, what a bunch of ignorant sluts. If it had continued, many would be having major downsides too.


14 posted on 02/16/2011 9:35:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...btoncerning)
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the U.S. war of aggression against Iraq

The moslems declared war against us which is still going on. Saddam would sooner or later found a way to help them against us. We have the perfect right to protect and preserve our natural rights against foreign threats such as Saddam.

15 posted on 02/16/2011 9:36:54 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Finally, certain other world-historic crimes, such as the U.S. war of aggression against Iraq, are unlikely to have occurred if the Soviet Union had remained intact.

Ah, we see this writer's agenda. He doesn't like GW Bush.

My father, a Czechoslovakian from Chicago, hated the communists, as did his Yugoslovakian caregiver.

Of course it was a good thing.

16 posted on 02/16/2011 9:45:02 AM PST by proud American in Canada (To paraphrase Sarah Palin: I love when the liberals get all wee-wee'd up.)
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To: DTA
. A picture may be a thousand words but "squander" in this context, in post-USSR-America is worth ten thousand pictures.
17 posted on 02/16/2011 9:57:26 AM PST by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: lbryce

Funny how we consider the Cold War the good ole days when they was just one bad guy to worry about.


18 posted on 02/16/2011 10:08:28 AM PST by biff
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The author obviously never lived in good ole USSR. I did. Should have asked to swap places with him (her, it) back then. I have wasted so much precious time. And this article would probably have never been written. On the other hand, there will never be a shortage of useful idiots.


19 posted on 02/16/2011 10:47:42 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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