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Florida’s Scott Rejects Tampa-Orlando High-Speed Rail Line
NYT ^ | : February 16, 2011 | Timothy Williams

Posted on 02/16/2011 10:56:25 AM PST by fight_truth_decay

Gov. Rick Scott of Florida on Wednesday rejected plans for a high speed rail line between Tampa and Orlando, in the process turning down $2 billion in federal funds and a key piece of President Obama’s goal of building a national high-speed rail network.

Florida is the third state with a newly elected Republican governor to turn down a portion of the administration’s high-speed rail project, joining John Kasich of Ohio and Scott Walker of Wisconsin.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; boondoggle; fl; florida; highspeedrail; johnkasich; rail; rickscott; scottwalker; trains; willie
"...it would cost the state too much even with $2.4 billion in federal help.

Cost overruns could put Florida on the hook for another $3 billion and once completed, there's a good chance ridership won't pay for the operating cost, meaning the state would have to pump more money into the line each year, Scott said.

"The truth is that this project would be far too costly to taxpayers and I believe the risk far outweighs the benefits," the Republican governor said in a press release issued after he informed U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood of his decision.

LaHood later released a statement that contradicted Scott's assessment of the risk.

"We worked with the governor to make sure we eliminated all financial risk for the state, instead requiring private businesses competing for the project to assume cost overruns and operating expenses," he said.

So no one rides, worst case secario; and it's the competing/winning private business owner's financial responsibility to provide for the 'unknown'"?

Plus.. for the elderly who can't drive; however, or won't, after the death panel decides "the bat" has better vision.

1 posted on 02/16/2011 10:56:29 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
instead requiring private businesses competing for the project to assume cost overruns and operating expenses,

And what happens when the overruns and low ridership costs are in the billions? Then the private company declares bankruptcy and sticks the expenses back on the state. Or else the company is sufficiently politically connected to get a huge bailout.

2 posted on 02/16/2011 10:59:29 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Let us pray that all newly elected governors act in this manner.

Chris Christie lit the path.

Now let’s see how many newly elected governors follow it.

Fight Obama and his administration and their agenda at every level of government possible.


3 posted on 02/16/2011 11:04:26 AM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: KarlInOhio

Too bac that Jerry Brown hasn’t the cojones to turn down the money for a high speed rail in Calif.

That is a long state- & the ridership will NEVER support the rail line. Period.


4 posted on 02/16/2011 11:06:37 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: fight_truth_decay

Tampa->Orlando = Big airport to Disney...


5 posted on 02/16/2011 11:09:34 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Because Florida is so decentralized, riding a train from Tampa to Orlando or vice versa and then having to rent a car to get around makes no sense at all.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 11:10:35 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: KarlInOhio
"the private company declares bankruptcy" ..good pt KarlinOhio.
7 posted on 02/16/2011 11:16:09 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: ridesthemiles

CA is crazy if they think the san fran line will work. Pop density isn’t near what it is in Japan or even on the east coast.

I pity you folks. You’ll be shelling out for this white elephant 50 years from now.


8 posted on 02/16/2011 11:17:04 AM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Good news here in Florida.


9 posted on 02/16/2011 11:17:42 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

I just called Gov. Scotts office and thanked him for standing up against special interests and standing up for the taxpayers.


10 posted on 02/16/2011 11:19:48 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: BenKenobi
You’ll be shelling out for this white elephant 50 years from now.

Somehow I feel we would be tapped as well..If Disney, for example; wants high speed rail or a casino group, then it becomes their privately owned company and they assume all the risks.

"Adopt a highspeed rr" or The Google Train takes to the rails.

11 posted on 02/16/2011 11:22:18 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Since the states have to pitch in a percentage, don’t the left understand 20% of a loss IS STILL A LOSS ?


12 posted on 02/16/2011 11:25:30 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: fight_truth_decay

I don’t understand that at all. The density is just not there in Florida. It boggles me.

Even the Acala line is difficult. They only have 1/3rd the density of the Tokyo/Osaka line.


13 posted on 02/16/2011 11:34:14 AM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


14 posted on 02/16/2011 11:37:31 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

There was NO train station at Tampa Airport...it might have been built sometinme later on..


15 posted on 02/16/2011 11:39:29 AM PST by ken5050 (Admin Moderators rule!!!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Because Florida is so decentralized, riding a train from Tampa to Orlando or vice versa and then having to rent a car to get around makes no sense at all.

Exactly. Not many realize how big Florida is. To get from Key West to Pensacola is about the same distance as it is to get from Detroit to Boston, MA. And speaking of Detroit, Pensacola, FL is further west than Detroit, MI.

16 posted on 02/16/2011 12:09:05 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Only two things come from Texas and I see you're wearing an "I Heart Austin" t-shirt)
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To: Joe Brower

I wasn’t gonna ride it. I’d have to leave my car in Tampa where it would get stolen. I worked at an auto claims co. in Tampa and while we were adjusting claims inside, our cars were being stolen from our pkg lot and we even had a guard.


17 posted on 02/16/2011 12:11:29 PM PST by floriduh voter (I miss my flip flops and summer clothes. Mr. Weatherman, do something!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Same with Texas. There is a really nice train that goes from downtown Fort Worth to Downtown Dallas. However to get where you are going you have to take another bus or train and it is just too difficult.


18 posted on 02/16/2011 12:16:20 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: sheikdetailfeather

send a note of support to gov scott—

http://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/


19 posted on 02/16/2011 12:22:43 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Ev Reeman
Chris Christie lit the path

People need to keep an eye on Paul LePage the new governor in Maine..successful business background, popular mayor..coming from living in doorways as a child [abuse] in Maine, later with 2 different families who opened their doors, still attending school-college: and some believe you are born poor and will remain poor--

20 posted on 02/16/2011 12:35:22 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

the least we could do..consider it done


21 posted on 02/16/2011 12:44:21 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay
Let Disney build the "Train of the Future" Monorail from Tampa Airport to Disneyworld in Orlando.

They were promoting their Monorail in Disneyland 50 years ago as the next big thing.

22 posted on 02/16/2011 12:48:35 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: Ev Reeman

“The big print giveth, and the small print taketh away.”

Some things never change.

After accepting the billions for such a boondoggle then building the thing, the state must then cough it up (huuuwah! (hairball deluxe)) for the MAINTENANCE of the system, which could easily out pace revenues.

No thank you!


23 posted on 02/16/2011 1:12:16 PM PST by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
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24 posted on 02/16/2011 2:07:23 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: BenKenobi

“CA is crazy if they think the san fran line will work. “

I guess I have to deal with people here one at a time:

They know FULL WELL that the train will be an economic DISASTER. These are NOT stupid people, they are not misguided people (even if we wish they were), they are simply EVIL PEOPLE, looking for ways to throw money down a sinkhole and weaken our economy as much as possible, prior to getting thrown out of office.

It’s sad, be we all have to deal with the fact that there are home-grown Americans that happen to HATE this country and want to bring it down a few notches. That is a fact. I went to college with them - lots of fun to drink with - dangerous as hell.


25 posted on 02/16/2011 4:51:48 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: muleskinner

Universal, Disney, Lego and Busch (now some foreign company) can pitch in to build the “Theme Park Express” with stops at both airports and it would be a huge success with no taxpayer funds. It’s only about an hour from Tampa-Orlando by car so it doesn’t even have to be particularly “high speed”. Disney can even build out the Beachway to Canaveral and link their ships.

Win-win!


26 posted on 02/16/2011 5:01:12 PM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: muleskinner

Not sure why the big push for the Tampa Airport to Disney. Orlando has its own airport to handle Disney traffic.


27 posted on 02/16/2011 5:50:40 PM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: KarlInOhio

Republican Sen. Marco Rubio-

“He’s just wrecked it. ... He’s taking our state and our community down the wrong track.”

Another phony RINO.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/reaction-to-gov-rick-scotts-decision-to-reject-rail-money/1152078


28 posted on 02/16/2011 7:28:39 PM PST by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
as in Rose Bud... "something he couldn't get.."
29 posted on 02/16/2011 8:44:26 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: WackySam

Oh, please. That has to be one of the most obviously cherry-picked quotes I have ever seen.

Let’s see the full remark, not some edited junk.


30 posted on 02/16/2011 11:20:08 PM PST by Terpfen (Buh-bye, Suntan Charlie.)
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To: GraceCoolidge
Not sure why the big push for the Tampa Airport to Disney.

This line doesn't include going to Tampa International. It just dumps passenger(s) in downtown Tampa.

Legoland won't benefit much from the line since the "station" in Polk County/Winter Haven area would be at least 30 minute bus ride/car rental ride from the station to Legoland.

Thus you have Tampa flight arrivals taking a bus or taxi from TIA to train station - to stop somewhere in Polk County/Lakeland/Winter Haven area which is a midpoint on the line - stop at Disney and stop at Orlando airport.

Rent a car and be to Disney in half the time for less money.

And who would pay to take the high speed rail 10 miles from Disney to Orlando MCO when Disney takes them there for free. And most of them have to turn in a rental car because they went to Universal, Sea World etc, as well as Disney and needed a car.

All the usual cast of Characters are crawling out of the woodwork and squealing like stuck pigs over the loss of this boondoggle, make work, create union jobs debacle cum blight cum black-hole-sucking-tax-dollars which makes the Big Dig look cost effective by comparison.

31 posted on 02/17/2011 6:09:55 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't skipper a boat, Can't drive, Can't ski, Can't fly. But they KNOW what's best!)
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To: WackySam

That quote is from Kevin Beckner, Hillsborough County commissioner. Rubio’s quote is above his name.


32 posted on 02/17/2011 6:10:28 AM PST by Roger_Wildcat
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To: Blood of Tyrants; fight_truth_decay
Because Florida is so decentralized, riding a train from Tampa to Orlando or vice versa and then having to rent a car to get around makes no sense at all.

You have to wonder if it's only Tampanians who are going to Disney or to Orlando airport. Tampa has one of the worlds most effective international airports on the planet with the parking garage on top of the terminal???

Double faced Bill Nelson's head (a scull full of mush) is about to explode by Scott's common sense decision!!!

33 posted on 02/17/2011 6:50:30 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: GraceCoolidge; muleskinner

They even have TWO airports there for that kind of traffic!!!


34 posted on 02/17/2011 6:55:32 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: WackySam; KarlInOhio

Are YOU sure that was ALL he said, or do you more trust YOUR source where it’s printed???


35 posted on 02/17/2011 7:01:10 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: danamco

The drive is less than 2 hours or about $15 in gas for the whole family. I’ll bet a ticket would be $25 per person between the two cities and then it would still be subsidized.


36 posted on 02/17/2011 7:59:20 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: danamco
Maybe the times were different, if our economy were like China's, but when we are broke and states are now striving to recycle the baby's bathwater, high speed rail in these instances that serve only a few, paid for by fed/our dollars are not needed.

Obama needs to take a vacation then he can't think of ways to spend our money. Perhaps he could visit the troops which we hear nothing about..Army’s 101st Airborne Division lost 6 soldiers which were killed by a recruit from the Afghan forces.

The only trip Obama should really be thinking about is the "high speed" trip home for our military overseas.

37 posted on 02/17/2011 8:30:20 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: danamco
Tampa has one of the worlds most effective international airports on the planet with the parking garage on top of the terminal???

Tampa International Airport is NOT on the line.

Just to stretch the line from downtown Tampa to TIA would cost multi-multi billions even at "Eminent Domain" prices.

38 posted on 02/17/2011 10:13:32 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't skipper a boat, Can't drive, Can't ski, Can't fly. But they KNOW what's best!)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Thanks, Gov. Scott.

I also called our Congressman Crenshaw (about the Pence amendment, to thank him for supporting it) and let him know I’m with the governor on this one.

And am getting ready to call Congressman Mica to ask him to stand down on it. NO to taxpayer $$$ on pork projects.

http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2011-02-17/story/rick-scott-refuses-federal-funds-high-speed-railway

(SNIP) Supporters of high-speed rail in Florida are scrambling to salvage a planned link between Tampa and Orlando after Gov. Rick Scott announced Wednesday he was refusing $2.4 billion in federal money for the project. The rejection drew swift condemnation from most Democrats and some Republicans...

>>>>...U.S. Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., chairman of the House Transportation Infrastructure Committee, and U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., said they are still looking into ways to get the system built.

Mica said he was disappointed and somewhat surprised by Scott’s decision.

“This is more than a hiccup,” said Mica, whose district includes St. Johns County. “But there are still ways to do it.”


39 posted on 02/17/2011 12:47:41 PM PST by cyn (Courage is not the absence of fear, but the mastery of it. ~Mark Twain)
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To: fight_truth_decay

He might soon get a trip to Githmo for permanent residence???


40 posted on 02/18/2011 6:18:55 AM PST by danamco (-)
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