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Ban of NASCAR military sponsors sought
UPI ^ | 16 Feb 11 | staff

Posted on 02/16/2011 10:59:30 AM PST by saganite

The U.S. military should not be spending money on sponsoring NASCAR teams, Rep. Betty McCollum, D-Minn., said in a budget bill she sponsored.

McCollum's chief of staff, Bill Harper, told The Virginia-Pilot newspaper in Norfolk his boss sponsored the budgetary amendment to address the plight of a growing number of veterans and their families.

"There's an amendment on the floor to eliminate all funding for homeless veterans," he said. "On one hand, we're eliminating assistance to men and women who served our country ... and on the other hand, we're paying for race cars."

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 112th; bettymccollum; military; moonbats; nascar; recruiters; recruiting
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1 posted on 02/16/2011 10:59:34 AM PST by saganite
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To: saganite

The military should not be running ads anywher. We are broke.


2 posted on 02/16/2011 11:02:39 AM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: saganite

WOW I actually AGREE w/ a Dem on something.


3 posted on 02/16/2011 11:02:50 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: saganite

While we’re at it, let’s get rid of the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds since they do nothing but fly around looking pretty. And might as well get rid of all the military recruitment centers since they only serve to “advertize” and don’t provide any defense capabilities.

Gee, with an all volunteer military what do we need advertizing or enticement for?


4 posted on 02/16/2011 11:05:44 AM PST by PhilosopherStone1000 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2649877/posts)
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To: Frantzie
The military should not be running ads anywher. We are broke.

Are you serious???

The Department of Redundancy Department wastes more in post-it notes than the US MIlitary spends on advertising in a single year...

5 posted on 02/16/2011 11:06:07 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: saganite

I agree with her sentiment on this, but I was always under the impression that the U.S. military was a NASCAR sponsor because it’s been a successful element of military recruiting over the years.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 11:06:55 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

The country is broke. Wake up and smell the coffee. Ifdiots who watch Tv elected a muslim to destroy america. Cut cut cut and cut more.


7 posted on 02/16/2011 11:07:46 AM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: saganite

Sounds like another Dem wants a draft. This is a recruiting effort. Without recruiting we’d need a draft. GOP needs to run with this response.


8 posted on 02/16/2011 11:10:57 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: saganite

I’ll let Betty have this when they also agree to ban all federal $ to colleges that disallow military recruiters on campus.


9 posted on 02/16/2011 11:11:41 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: saganite

As a mom of two members of our military I also agree....and the USPS should not be sponsering bike teams.....

We do not have the money !!!!!


10 posted on 02/16/2011 11:11:41 AM PST by Kimmers (Tell a lie often enough it becomes political........)
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To: saganite

She has a point but you don’t need a law for it!

It is a great marketing tool but top tier NASCAR sponsorship is Huge Bucks.

I’ll assume there’s marketing cost/return paperwork somewhere that justifies the expense and someone is looking at it...
*ducking for assuming*


11 posted on 02/16/2011 11:12:30 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I don’t know how much the military spends on NASCAR sponsorships every year but there are Army, Air Force and Army National Guard sponsorships that I’m aware of. If advertising is meant to generate results there could be no better sport to advertise in than NASCAR. That’s a generally conservative patriotic audience and I’m sure the services benefit from the publicity.

After all, can’t you just imagine some kid who’s a motorhead looking up at those fighters flying overhead and thinking, “man I would love to have a chance to work on one of those”.


12 posted on 02/16/2011 11:12:40 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
While we’re at it, let’s get rid of the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds since they do nothing but fly around looking pretty.

Please wait till after the March 19-20 show!

13 posted on 02/16/2011 11:13:11 AM PST by houeto (Government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.)
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To: US Navy Vet

“WOW I actually AGREE w/ a Dem on something.”

What is bothering me is how INFREQUENTLY this is happening. We should be agreeing on most things, not a very rare few. What is wrong with THEM?

IOW, why is anyone with any sense at all still self-identifying as a Democrat?


14 posted on 02/16/2011 11:13:11 AM PST by Old Student
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To: houeto

How about we wait till the end of the season that way I can see them one last time too!


15 posted on 02/16/2011 11:15:06 AM PST by PhilosopherStone1000 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2649877/posts)
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To: Old Student

Most Military “Recruiting” is a First Class WASTE of money.


16 posted on 02/16/2011 11:15:49 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: saganite

You know what? I actually AGREE with this Democrat! Funding auto racing is NOT a proper function of the Federal government. Neither is funding monkey sex or Gorebull warming research, baby murders, so-called “art” that besmirches the King of Kings, or leftie television and radio propoganda. DEFUND IT ALL!


17 posted on 02/16/2011 11:16:55 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: saganite

18 posted on 02/16/2011 11:17:28 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

What you said PLUS banning all advertising dollars pimping the benefits of ObamaCare. I hear a lot more of that crap than I do military advertising.


19 posted on 02/16/2011 11:20:55 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ilgipper
Without recruiting we’d need a draft.

Nonsense. People will sign up on their own. I tried to sign up after 9/11 - they didn't want me. They did, however, want the thousands of young bucks who also signed up out of patriotism.

We don't need a draft. We don't need a large standing army. Standing armies are an enemy of freedom.

20 posted on 02/16/2011 11:21:01 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: saganite
The question is should the military have an advertising budget at all. If yes, well, this will get the message out there to the people who might consider it better than, say, advertising in the Sunday magazine section of the New York Times.

If not, then don't sponsor race cars.
Unless there's a cool looking turret or a Ma Deuce mounted on it!
(I'm assuming that a 105mm cannon is out of the question ... but then again, who am I to assume??)

21 posted on 02/16/2011 11:21:01 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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22 posted on 02/16/2011 11:22:28 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t know about that, personally.

I got recruited by the sign in the recruiters window offering $326.10 a month, 3 hots, and a cot. I saw a number of my high schools students enlist because of 9/11. I think recruitment stating the facts is fine. I am not at all understanding how sponsoring a race car presents facts about our military or our country.

I think the tactical video ‘game’ is useful, too. Some do well at it, some don’t. I wouldn’t, from experience with similar games.

I knew I wasn’t suited for combat arms before I ever enlisted, from listening to a friend who’d been in the first wave to hit the beach at Iwo Jima talking about what had happened there, and what he had to do while he was there. We’d hunted together, and it was obvious to us both I’d not make it in combat.


23 posted on 02/16/2011 11:24:51 AM PST by Old Student
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To: Old Student

So how much was the sign?


24 posted on 02/16/2011 11:26:38 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: saganite
Nonsense. If recruiting is a legitimate function of the military, and it always has been, then I can't think of a more effective way then to sponsor stock car teams. A better cost saving strategy would be to discharge pregnant soldiers. They have no place in the military and no doubt cost a fortune. Let's also cut out housing allowance for married enlisted soldiers and send their families home. That costs billions and serves no good purpose that I can think of. In a $600 Billion or more budget, we can cut many wasteful things before getting rid of a useful recruitment tool like NASCAR.
25 posted on 02/16/2011 11:28:16 AM PST by Batrachian (9/11 confirmed everything I already knew about Islam. Not that it needed much confirming.)
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To: saganite
We are losing the WOT as the events in Egypt last week show. The military needs to attract recruits whether we are broke or not. I'm mystified by those cant grasp the simple fact that it we don't start winning the WOT saving a few bucks on advertising for recruits wont matter.
26 posted on 02/16/2011 11:28:18 AM PST by montanajoe
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To: saganite

The Army also sponsors a video game, America’s Army. Great recruitment tool, and on a cost-per-person-hour basis far cheaper than TV. Even better, the Army then turned around and started using it to train its own troops, even using customized versions to train Special Forces.

The only thing that’s missing is a phone-home feature to single out the best players for targeted recruitment. Kind of like in The Last Starfighter.


27 posted on 02/16/2011 11:28:46 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: saganite

If the military is restricted from sponsoring NASCAR entries, then they have to restrict the entire government who owns GM and Chrysler. The government spends millions on NASCAR and, as opposed to the military, doesn’t serve any recruiting purposes.


28 posted on 02/16/2011 11:34:11 AM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: saganite

I agree on the basis of cost but the democrat I saw talking about it on the news today clearly just hates the military having any kind of public face at all.

However, NASCAR advertising is a real bargain compared to other advertising dollars. Basically if you cut NASCAR sponsorships, you can’t really justify any military advertising at all.


29 posted on 02/16/2011 11:35:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

I wonder how that Democrat would feel about military advertising if the Navy, for example, sponsored a gay pride parade in light of the repeal of don’t ask don’t tell?


30 posted on 02/16/2011 11:39:34 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Frantzie; xzins
The military should not be running ads anywher. We are broke.

The advertising is part of the enlistment program. It always has been. Without the ads, we get no new enlistees or we have to settle for substandard enlistees.

If we can't field a decent military, then the whole country is at risk.

While the advertising needs to be focused where it will due the most good for the money, NASCAR events is probably the best place to spend the money, since a substantial portion of our military recruits come from places where NASCAR is King.

They certainly should not be wasting advertising money by sponsoring Oprah, or the View or Masterpiece Theatre, however there is no doubt but that the military sponsoring NASCAR events is clearly advertising money that is well spent.

31 posted on 02/16/2011 11:55:37 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Frantzie

The military’s been advertising since the beginning of the nation.

Believe it or not, Frantzie, protecting the nation is one of the Constitutional obligations that actually finds itself mentioned in that document.

It’s not the result of an emanation of a penumbra, nor an overeaching extension of the commerce clause.


32 posted on 02/16/2011 12:00:27 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: saganite

A republican should co-sponsor this AND ADD an addendum banning all federal $ to colleges that disallow military recruiters on campus.

Call her bluff.


33 posted on 02/16/2011 12:00:36 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Alberta's Child
I agree with her sentiment on this, but I was always under the impression that the U.S. military was a NASCAR sponsor because it’s been a successful element of military recruiting over the years.

Yup. The hazards of an all-volunteer army. I think it probably returns more bang for their advertising buck than anything else they've got.

Obviously though it would be much cheaper to go back to a draft and pay a few dollars a day.

34 posted on 02/16/2011 12:01:03 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Only two things come from Texas and I see you're wearing an "I Heart Austin" t-shirt)
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To: Alberta's Child

Not after DADT is repealed. Probably last place they want ot recruit.


35 posted on 02/16/2011 12:01:50 PM PST by scbison
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To: xzins


36 posted on 02/16/2011 12:08:05 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: VeniVidiVici

They sponsor cars in the NHRA also and have been doing it for years. These are places where young men are found and are great tools.


37 posted on 02/16/2011 12:08:54 PM PST by Always Independent
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To: US Navy Vet

Senate Wastes Millions of Stimulus Road Signs

http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/senate-wastes-millions-of-stimulus-road-signs/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/signs-stimulus/story?id=11163180

Betty was pretty quiet about this...


38 posted on 02/16/2011 12:08:55 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: saganite

NASCAR. That’s a generally conservative patriotic audience and I’m sure the services benefit from the publicity.

Had to read twelve post until I found the reason, the real reason for no sponsor for NASCAR. A majority of NASCAR viewers are conservative ! Now while we’re at it lets stop sponsoring NPR and PBS !!


39 posted on 02/16/2011 12:27:02 PM PST by buck61 ( making)
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To: P-Marlowe

Also important is the morale value. Our military men have near total access at the races. I’m pretty sure they get in free here at MIS.


40 posted on 02/16/2011 12:30:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: P-Marlowe

Without the ads (many running now showing parent of young person coming to terms with the youth’s desire to enlist and serve), the military would be subject to whatever the MSM chooses to use to characterize it. I think advertising is vital both to promote the honor of joining the military, and to promote patriotism and appreciation for the troops.


41 posted on 02/16/2011 12:31:33 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: saganite

The first recruiting was done in local pubs and taverns, one pint at a time. Tun’s Tavern in Philadelphia has always been considered the birthplace of the U.S. Marines first recruiting drive. It has always taken some degree of advertising and advertising sponsorship to recruit for the military. Whether or not NASCAR sponsorship is appropriate might be a matter for discussion but the recruiting advertising is essential.


42 posted on 02/16/2011 12:31:44 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: saganite

How about banning ads for the Post Office (those stupid priority mail commercials) ... especially it’s sponsorship of professional cycling!


43 posted on 02/16/2011 12:51:34 PM PST by AJ504 (The Constitution was NOT written on an Etch-A-Sketch!)
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To: Tanniker Smith
(I'm assuming that a 105mm cannon is out of the question ... but then again, who am I to assume??)

Well, put it there and fire it forward at 200 mph.

That'll liven up the race!

44 posted on 02/16/2011 12:54:57 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: saganite
After all, can’t you just imagine some kid who’s a motorhead looking up at those fighters flying overhead and thinking, “man I would love to have a chance to work on one of those”.

I did. Wound up being a linguist, though. Not quite certain how I let myself be talked into that one, considering I loved mechanics and mechanical things, and hated sitting in class. I can't remember how long the jet engine mechanic school was, but it certainly wasn't 18 months like the linguist courses. I was already at the MEPS for in-processing and getting my ticket to Lackland.

I may have even made a career out of it had I stayed with my first choice. I would have had nearly 24 years in by now.

45 posted on 02/16/2011 12:55:45 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmit in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: backwoods-engineer
DEFUND IT ALL!

You might want to re-think that assertion. You are seriously of the mind that funding for military recruiting should be nixed? I seriously doubt you are.

46 posted on 02/16/2011 12:58:17 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: antiRepublicrat
The only thing that’s missing is a phone-home feature to single out the best players for targeted recruitment. Kind of like in The Last Starfighter.

I assure you if this is an online peer to peer game they know. If they don't then G_d help us all.

47 posted on 02/16/2011 1:00:50 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: saganite
Should we ban all military-supplied color guards for the National Anthem at all sports events?

-PJ

48 posted on 02/16/2011 1:00:58 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: saganite

The military ads budges must be saved for the san franceeeesco market.

What does she think the jet flyovers do? those are mega recruiting.

Does she want to stop the honor guard jet flyovers at arlington too?


49 posted on 02/16/2011 1:24:24 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Frantzie

The military is voluntary.. if you dont’ market you don’t get recruits. Like it or not that’s reality.

We could always return to conscription and stop all military advertising tomorrow.


50 posted on 02/16/2011 1:26:11 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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