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First in the Nation: Idaho House Passes Health Care Nullification
Tenth Amendment Center ^ | 02-16-2011 | Michael Boldin

Posted on 02/16/2011 2:11:53 PM PST by RepublicnotaDemocracy

In an historic vote in the Idaho House of Representatives, the Federal Health Care Nullification Act (originally authored by the Tenth Amendment Center) passed by a vote of 49-20.

House Bill 117 states:

"The state of Idaho hereby exercises its sovereign power to declare the public policy of the state of Idaho regarding the right of all persons residing in the state of Idaho in choosing the mode of securing health care services free from the imposition of penalties, or the threat thereof, by the federal government of the United States of America relating thereto"

The principle behind such legislation is nullification, which has a long history in the American tradition. When a state ‘nullifies’ a federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in question is void and inoperative, or ‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that state; or, in other words, not a law as far as the state is concerned.

Implied in any nullification legislation is enforcement of the state law. In the Virginia Resolution of 1798, James Madison wrote of the principle of interposition:

"That this Assembly doth explicitly and peremptorily declare, that it views the powers of the federal government, as resulting from the compact, to which the states are parties; as limited by the plain sense and intention of the instrument constituting the compact; as no further valid that they are authorized by the grants enumerated in that compact; and that in case of a deliberate, palpable, and dangerous exercise of other powers, not granted by the said compact, the states who are parties thereto, have the right, and are in duty bound, to interpose for arresting the progress of the evil, and for maintaining within their respective limits, the authorities, rights and liberties appertaining to them."

House Bill 117 expressly includes this principle

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; baraqhole; february2011; healthcare; idaho; jimmyquaeda2; nullification; obamacare; socialisthealthcare; statesrights; teapartyrebellion
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1 posted on 02/16/2011 2:11:57 PM PST by RepublicnotaDemocracy
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping!


2 posted on 02/16/2011 2:13:57 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

Way to go Idaho!

Hopefully many others will follow your lead!


3 posted on 02/16/2011 2:16:44 PM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy; holdonnow

Woah!!


4 posted on 02/16/2011 2:23:44 PM PST by HOYA97 (twitter @hoya97)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

Bravo Idaho!


5 posted on 02/16/2011 2:23:56 PM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: whatisthetruth

Yo - good job. Keep up the good work.


6 posted on 02/16/2011 2:24:31 PM PST by Jim 0216
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To: Bigun

Yes. Get it signed into law and other states should follow. Then get a BC law passed now.


7 posted on 02/16/2011 2:24:45 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: paulycy

I love Idaho! Way to go!


8 posted on 02/16/2011 2:24:50 PM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy; All

KUDOS to Idaho!!!


9 posted on 02/16/2011 2:26:21 PM PST by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots at best!!!)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

I (and many other FReepers who have FReemailed me) would very much like a website that has information about states (maybe tabular), that allows easy comparison of the states, such as:

* Whether excellent legislation such as this passes
* gun laws
* right-to-work
* tax burden

For those many, many FReepers who are at some stage of considering a move, this would be very helpful.


10 posted on 02/16/2011 2:27:10 PM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge, MA grad student. Any potential conservative Christian FReepmail-FRiends out there?)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

Good for you, Idaho! I enjoyed 6 years living in the rustic hill country up in the panhandle (between Santa and Clarkia in Benewah County). There were self-sufficient citizens everywhere.


11 posted on 02/16/2011 2:27:56 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Wow! Nullification!

It’s on, Obama!


12 posted on 02/16/2011 2:29:02 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: hillarys cankles

Here’s a nod to you from Idaho.

The state legislators have been taking the usual abuse in the press, etc., because all the “authorities” claim that nullification is unconstitutional, obstructive, idiotic, moot.

Whatever. Screw ‘em anyway.

Dude, while I’m talking to you I have to say you’re carrying one of the most unusual, least enticing, nicknames I’ve seen on FR..heheh..what could be worse? “Billary’s Chancres” maybe?

Thanks for the shout out though....


13 posted on 02/16/2011 2:31:05 PM PST by dblup
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

6000% tax increase in potatoes forthcoming.


14 posted on 02/16/2011 2:32:03 PM PST by TexasPatriot1 (I am unique, Just like everybody else.)
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To: TexasPatriot1

in = on.


15 posted on 02/16/2011 2:32:35 PM PST by TexasPatriot1 (I am unique, Just like everybody else.)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy
Excellent

Of course the Federal government has a way of blackmailing states...."No money for you"....

16 posted on 02/16/2011 2:33:13 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Go, Idaho! You made us proud today.


17 posted on 02/16/2011 2:39:03 PM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: Sacajaweau

That could be followed by “No tax revenue for you, Washington! We’ll keep it at home.”


18 posted on 02/16/2011 2:40:44 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: Sacajaweau

That could be followed by “No tax revenue for you, Washington! We’ll keep it at home.”


19 posted on 02/16/2011 2:40:57 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy
Good for Idaho!

The federal government should stay out of health care, period. Obamacare is as unconstitutional as Medicsre and Medicaid.

20 posted on 02/16/2011 2:42:54 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick ("I'm not going to shut up!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

—John C. Calhoun rides again—?


21 posted on 02/16/2011 2:44:17 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: dblup

“all the “authorities” claim that nullification is unconstitutional, obstructive, idiotic, moot.”

Not this nullification. Obamacare has already been declared unconstitutional.


22 posted on 02/16/2011 2:44:17 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: coydog

1 down, 49 to go!


23 posted on 02/16/2011 2:48:01 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

Smiling. Who says the 10th Amendment is a dead letter?


24 posted on 02/16/2011 2:55:11 PM PST by Miss_Meyet (12 percent of people met their spouse online-the other 88 percent met someone else's spouse.JayLeno)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

“The state of Idaho hereby exercises its sovereign power to declare the public policy of the state of Idaho regarding the right of all persons residing in the state of Idaho in choosing the mode of securing health care services free from the imposition of penalties, or the threat thereof, by the federal government of the United States of America relating thereto”

Bravo! Taking the lead. Keep it up.


25 posted on 02/16/2011 2:56:54 PM PST by corvus
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

RE: NULLIFICATION

This is going to be an interesting development because as I remember US History, State Nullification of Federal Law has not worked in the past.

If my memory serves me right, the idea that a US State has the right to nullify or invalidate any federal law that they deem unconstitutional was one of the precursors of the Civil War.

The view that the sovereign states formed the United States and not vice versa, where creators of this union hold final authority regarding the limits of the power of central government, is as old as the constitution itself.

But I believe, if memory serves me right, state efforts in the past to nullify Federal laws have NOT BEEN LEGALLY UPHELD. The courts have found that under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, federal law is SUPERIOR to STATE LAW and Federal law TRUMPS State law in the event of a conflict.

Consider this :

In the 1950s , Nullification and the related doctrine of interposition surfaced in response to the Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, which decided that segregated schools were illegal.

At least ten southern states passed various measures preserving segregated schools and refusing to follow the Brown decision.

The advocates of these measures argued that the Brown decision was unconstitutional and that the states had the inherent power to prevent that decision from being enforced within their borders.

However, the Supreme Court rejected this idea in the case of Cooper v. Aaron, finding that the state governments had no power to nullify the Brown decision.

The Supreme Court held that the Brown decision and its implementation “can neither be nullified openly and directly by state legislators or state executive or judicial officers nor nullified indirectly by them through evasive schemes for segregation.”

RESULT : Federal Law wins, States lose.

Now, let’s talk about 2011 — WHAT IF for some reason, Justice Anthony Kennedy woke up on the wrong side of the bed as Obamacare went to the SCOTUS and sided with the left wing of the court, declaring it CONSTITUTIONAL?

What can states like Idaho do about it given the past history of nullification failures?

I hope nobody is talking secession ( as the states did during Lincoln’s time ) because we all know how that turned out....(SHUDDER).


26 posted on 02/16/2011 2:59:20 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: haroldeveryman

I hear you.

That’s what’s particularly amusing about the law professors et al. sneering at the legislators for passing an “unconstitutional” nullification.

The damn health care law itself is at death’s doorstep already.


27 posted on 02/16/2011 2:59:50 PM PST by dblup
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

wow - this is BIG FREAKIN’ NEWS!


28 posted on 02/16/2011 3:00:11 PM PST by Chattering Class of 58
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To: coydog; All
"That could be followed by “No tax revenue for you, Washington! We’ll keep it at home.”"


29 posted on 02/16/2011 3:01:26 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: coydog

The state doesn’t send money to the Feds...you and I do...


30 posted on 02/16/2011 3:03:58 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: BenKenobi

I wonder how FReepers would react if, say, California nullified the federal partial-birth abortion ban (which was, like Obamacare, passed under the Interstate Commerce clause).


31 posted on 02/16/2011 3:10:28 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy
Well, I won't start digging foxholes just yet, but it is extremely interesting news. It amounts to a state rejection of the federal enforcement of a law that has already been declared unconstitutional within the federal courts, but that the Executive has decided to execute anyway. Under precisely what authority 0bama intends to accomplish this is now exceedingly curious.

He can, I suppose, send armed Federal marshals in to force us all to buy health insurance, secure in the knowledge that we'll be laughing too hard to draw a decent bead on 'em. But I think not. If there are any potato subsidies I suppose we'll stand to lose them. The humanity!

32 posted on 02/16/2011 3:10:36 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: dblup; hillarys cankles; P-Marlowe; xzins
The state legislators have been taking the usual abuse in the press, etc., because all the “authorities” claim that nullification is unconstitutional, obstructive, idiotic, moot.

I believe the SCOTUS has ruled that Federal Law supersedes states rights.

However, even if this is true a couple things come into play. How do the Feds force a State to implement the law, especially if numerous States start passing the same nullification. Also, it opens the door for the threat of secession if the Fed pushes too hard disregarding the limitations on it in the Constitution.

33 posted on 02/16/2011 3:11:58 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

This should tee up a nice, ripe, constitutional issue for the SCOTUS.


34 posted on 02/16/2011 3:15:55 PM PST by americanophile ("The Constitution is the guide which I will never abandon." - George Washington)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

This apparently has not been passed by the Idaho Senate nor signed by their governor.

There are a lot of bills that pass one house of a legislature only to die in the other house or be vetoed.

This is not a done deal, and there’s no reason to celebrate even if it does become law. Ultimately, nullification has been tried several times and failed. I see it as a waste of time.

The war of northern aggression established where the states stand in the pecking order, and it’s pretty darn low.


35 posted on 02/16/2011 3:15:55 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Palin 2012: Renew, Revive, and Restore)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

It would destroy the constitutionality of Roe. :)

We’d go back to the old standard in the 50’s where certain states permitted abortion, but most did not.


36 posted on 02/16/2011 3:16:02 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: haroldeveryman

RE: Not this nullification. Obamacare has already been declared unconstitutional.


There’s still one hill to climb and ONE MAN who will most probably decide the issue ( His initials are AK ).

WHAT IF for some reason, Justice Anthony Kennedy woke up on the wrong side of the bed as Obamacare went to the SCOTUS and sided with the left wing of the court, declaring it CONSTITUTIONAL?

What can states like Idaho do about it given the past history of state nullification failures? (e.g. The Supreme Court in the case, Cooper v. Aaron, finding that the state governments had no power to nullify the Brown vs Board of Education decision, where in the 1950’s, at least ten southern states passed various measures preserving segregated schools and refusing to follow the Brown decision).

I hope nobody is talking secession ( as the states did during President Lincoln’s time ) because we all know how that turned out....(SHUDDER).


37 posted on 02/16/2011 3:17:13 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

I miss you, Idaho.


38 posted on 02/16/2011 3:17:32 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Lurking Libertarian; BenKenobi
I wonder how FReepers would react if, say, California nullified the federal partial-birth abortion ban (which was, like Obamacare, passed under the Interstate Commerce clause).

I would love it. The issue should be fought in the state legislatures. How many Rats would be elected locally if they were held accountable for this type of law instead of passing it off to lifetime appointed federal judges?

39 posted on 02/16/2011 3:18:25 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights
Also, it opens the door for the threat of secession if the Fed pushes too hard disregarding the limitations on it in the Constitution.

I think that was settled about 145 years ago.

40 posted on 02/16/2011 3:19:44 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Lurking Libertarian
I wonder how FReepers would react if, say, California nullified the federal partial-birth abortion ban (which was, like Obamacare, passed under the Interstate Commerce clause).

If it is a state-by-state decision then I think FReepers would live with it instead of it being a top-down federal edict.

41 posted on 02/16/2011 3:19:59 PM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No,we should be talking “peaceful separation” like the kind that occurred in Czechoslovakia.


42 posted on 02/16/2011 3:22:55 PM PST by GraceG
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To: SeekAndFind

“I hope nobody is talking secession ( as the states did during Lincoln’s time ) because we all know how that turned out”

In defense of unborn children?

“I shall never bear arms against the United States—but it may be necessary for me to stand in defence of Texas, in which case I shall not prove recreant to my duty.”


43 posted on 02/16/2011 3:24:16 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: Prokopton
I think that was settled about 145 years ago.

I agree it looks like it, but the roles are being reversed. Now instead of State denying a constitutional right to liberty it is the Fed govt that seeks to make individual citizens property of the govt. I don't see the military intervening for this type of a cause.

44 posted on 02/16/2011 3:28:06 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: GraceG

That would depend on Obama, and how he responds. I doubt very strongly that he would permit peaceful secession.


45 posted on 02/16/2011 3:29:25 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: EdReform

Awesome! Standing tall and strong in Idaho!!!


46 posted on 02/16/2011 3:32:51 PM PST by LUV W (No Compromise!)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

Does Idaho have a bicameral legislature? If so, this means little unless passed by both houses and signed by governor.


47 posted on 02/16/2011 3:43:39 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

It’s good to be here...but they did not add any teeth to it. They should have made it a crime for any federal official to go ahead and try and implement Obama Care here in Idaho.

As it is, the law indicates that we as Idaho Citizens do not have to follow the Federal Law, but does not stop the Feds from implementing it.

I wonder what will happen on the day that they do (God forbid and hopefully the congress will keep it from happening through the House until 2012 when we can turn it all the way aroud), and when Idaho citizens say no and the Feds try and come in and impose fines, penalties and even jail time.


48 posted on 02/16/2011 3:44:07 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: BenKenobi

Or, as Obama would put it, one down 56 to go.


49 posted on 02/16/2011 4:01:20 PM PST by altura
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To: RepublicnotaDemocracy

Obama will just sign an exemption for the state and say the issue is moot and the law is still valid.


50 posted on 02/16/2011 4:05:07 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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