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To Be a Republican Lawmaker in Madison
National Review Online ^ | 2/17/2011 | Jay Nordlinger

Posted on 02/17/2011 7:56:05 PM PST by daylilly

Randy Hopper is a state senator in Wisconsin. A Republican. He is now holed up with his colleagues — his Republican colleagues — in the capitol. The Democratic senators have apparently fled the state. Hopper says, “None of my colleagues from the minority party decided to come to work today.”

The Democrats are denying the Republicans the quorum necessary to vote on key fiscal legislation.

Hopper says, “I spent two years in the minority, and I came to work every day, even when I didn’t like the bills the majority was passing. I thought it was my job.” The Democrats, he says, “have relinquished their duties. The people sent them here to do a job, and they are refusing to do it. They’re in hiding. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: courage; protests; walker; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
There is also a followup post from this author, with a few more comments about the courage of the Republican legislators. Talk about a steel spine! There ought to be a way to offer them moral support. Followup post: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260044/re-be-republican-lawmaker-madison-jay-nordlinger
1 posted on 02/17/2011 7:56:11 PM PST by daylilly
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To: daylilly

This is the tactic the RATs used in MN during our legislative battles to get concealed carry passed. They hid in bathroom stalls (well, that’s what was thought they were doing there) and janitor’s closets. This is no joke; this is how it was here until the measure was added to a DNR funding bill and they had to vote or face an angry public.


2 posted on 02/17/2011 8:00:59 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: daylilly

The Democrats in Madison will rue this day. The bill will pass or 6,000 public workers get fired. The Nation is awake and the bullshit public unions are the first to go.


3 posted on 02/17/2011 8:03:52 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: daylilly

since the Democrats have voluntarily relinquished their duties, I’d interpret that as having quit (my boss certainly would if I pulled a stunt like this).

Send them their final paychecks within 24 hours, announce elections to be held in November, and let’s get on with the day’s legislation.


4 posted on 02/17/2011 8:08:22 PM PST by blueplum
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To: daylilly

This is the absolute perfect example of the fourth columns ability to affect actions and outcomes. If the Republicans had done this we wouldn’t have reporting, we’d have editorializing. Since the rat’s did this we have reporting.
We can’t win enough battles to win the war if we don’t have neutral reporting. It is a foundation of a democratic republic. We don’t have neutral reporting, even on fox. I quit watching those sell-outs 2 yrs ago.
To me, the mandate for the Tea Party is to instill some sort of fear into the msm. Without that we are ultimately doomed.


5 posted on 02/17/2011 8:15:24 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords
"Four hostile newspapers are more to be feared than a thousand bayonets." ~Napoleon Bonaparte
6 posted on 02/17/2011 8:19:00 PM PST by chickadee
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To: daylilly

Lock the doors when they return.


7 posted on 02/17/2011 8:21:20 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: blueplum

Basically if I were Walker, I’d set a deadline to be in chambers Friday else I’d declare those seats vacant, and issue writs of election to replace all 14 democrat senators.


8 posted on 02/17/2011 9:02:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: eyedigress
This is from Walker's campaign website:

According to Tonette, Scott's wife of 17 years, he is every bit as fiscally conservative when it comes to his personal finances. Scott drives a 1998 Saturn with 100,000 miles on it and packs the same brown bag lunch before heading to the office to save money: two ham and cheese sandwiches on wheat with mayo.

What a contrast with these whiners demonstrating in Madison.

9 posted on 02/17/2011 9:04:25 PM PST by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: freespirited
“....two ham and cheese sandwiches on wheat with mayo.”

Miracle Whip would be better.

10 posted on 02/17/2011 9:07:39 PM PST by decal (Voting for a Liberal is nothing but second-degree theft.)
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To: freespirited

I drove my Honda with 273,000 miles on it to work today. Take a good look at the teachers parking lot when you pass a school, it gives a good glimpse into their world.


11 posted on 02/17/2011 9:08:21 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: freespirited
What a contrast with these whiners demonstrating in Madison

...or some of those a-holes in D.C.

12 posted on 02/17/2011 9:10:37 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: daylilly

Why are they hiding? Are they seeking asylum in Venezuela, or perhaps Cuba? What a cadre of slimey pukes. Shirking their responsibility for fear of defeat. Why can’t the Sgt of Arms charge them with dereliction of duty?


13 posted on 02/17/2011 9:20:01 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: daylilly
The Democratic senators have apparently fled the state...cowards, the 'rats know that the entire country is watching and they are about to be revealed for the corrupt thugs they are - vote against the school reform bill and everyone knows they would rather support their union piggy bankers than do what's best for the state - do what's right for the state and vote for it, and lose a lot of campaign funds and lock-step voters that they can count on forever otherwise - no wonder they're in hiding.....
14 posted on 02/17/2011 9:23:58 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: eyedigress
The Democrats in Madison will rue this day. The bill will pass or 6,000 public workers get fired.

Fire them ALL, and hold a massive job fair to replace them. Somehow I don't think any of the new applicants will complain about taking 7% less than the fired workers got.

15 posted on 02/17/2011 9:25:23 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: eyedigress

Yep, I have a Honda with 232k on it. I pass by a middle school on my way to work with a parking lot full of large SUVs, BMWs, Lexi, etc. And this isn’t even a union state.


16 posted on 02/17/2011 9:26:08 PM PST by amishman (0bama=the reincarnation of Jim Jones)
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To: TwoSwords
We can’t win enough battles to win the war if we don’t have neutral reporting.

so why don't the Koch Brothers, and other conservative billionaires buy up ABCNBCCBS and replace the news division staffs?

17 posted on 02/17/2011 9:27:34 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: eyedigress
Take a good look at the teachers parking lot when you pass a school, it gives a good glimpse into their world.

The teachers at my kids' school have almost all foreign cars, with many Lexus and Audis amongst them.

18 posted on 02/17/2011 9:29:01 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: takenoprisoner

Actually, there was a report that they were found in Illinois. Rockford I think. Can you get asylum in Illinois?


19 posted on 02/17/2011 9:31:52 PM PST by daylilly
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To: amishman

I love it. Here in Tennessee I think Historic Tags can be applied next year. (Its a ‘92 Accord)


20 posted on 02/17/2011 9:32:21 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: montag813

I have a habit of looking at the parking lots of public taxpayer funded jobs. They seem to be doing quite well.


21 posted on 02/17/2011 9:34:20 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: daylilly

We are fortunate to have individuals who are willing to take the arrows [Rush Limbaugh said this today]. The followup post said the lawmakers had been literally pushed around by the protesters. Where do we find such men and women?

Just like the founders did, who risked their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. Many of the signers of the Declaration did not go unscathed from their stand.

These guys in Wisconsin are NOT sunshine soldiers.


22 posted on 02/17/2011 9:37:18 PM PST by daylilly
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To: daylilly

Walker should start firing workers until the budget is passed. The Dims will be forced to come back then.


23 posted on 02/17/2011 9:42:06 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: chickadee

He was nothing if not prescient.


24 posted on 02/17/2011 9:45:12 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Basically if I were Walker, I’d set a deadline to be in chambers Friday else I’d declare those seats vacant, and issue writs of election to replace all 14 democrat senators.

Excellent idea. Logical.

25 posted on 02/17/2011 9:51:22 PM PST by BAW (I know whose ass to kick.)
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To: eyedigress
I think the Dems want the 6000 layoffs. They think they can pin that on Walker as well.

I have to hand it to Scott. You would think what he put up with as Milwaukee County Executive trying to undo the tremendous damage done by Tom Ament and Company would have made him quickly lose his taste for taking on the destruction left in the wake of Jim Doyle.

That man practically did magic with the county tax rate - managed to put forth 8 or so straight budgets without a tax increase and he was vilified to no end for trying to hold together what was ransacked and destroyed by greedy Dems lining their own pockets.

26 posted on 02/17/2011 9:54:02 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (My State Senator is hiding in Illinois and all I got was this lousy protest.)
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To: montag813

Every American should want independent journalism. No one off-limits. This isn’t happening at the media or collegiate level. This is the one thing I find the conservative movement really failing to address. We have no reason to accept their biased reporting. We should bow our backs and say if this continues we’ll destroy you. This is the battle. We are losing it.


27 posted on 02/17/2011 9:55:45 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: daylilly

“The Democrats, he says, “have relinquished their duties. The people sent them here to do a job, and they are refusing to do it. They’re in hiding. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.”

That’s the problem Senator, Democrats have no shame. You need to deal with them accordingly.


28 posted on 02/17/2011 9:56:13 PM PST by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: daylilly

Yea I heard. The last I heard they left there to hold-up in another location. This is what commies do when they realize they are outgunned. Get the hell out of Dodge!!!


29 posted on 02/17/2011 10:02:23 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: BAW

Since the demo senators have deserted the capital/state could their offices be locked and their staff fired...


30 posted on 02/17/2011 10:13:55 PM PST by goat granny
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To: TwoSwords

I think you meant the Fifth Column. The word “Fourth” comes into play in a political sense in connection with the “Fourth Estate”, meaning the press and the access enjoyed by its journalists (generally meaning the print media).

A Fifth Column refers to a shadow or clandestine organization operating from a position of power and/or access inside a government. The Fifth Column organization clandestinely or deviously advances an external enemy of the government through means unwittingly provided by the government or secretly and/or deviously advances a trojan horse-type agenda that is inherently harmful to the government without an external enemy by damaging or weakening it. I think these are the situations you were referring to. IMO, both scenarios are now present.

The term came from a situation during Spain’s war just before WW2. Some general had four columns of his guys marching in to take over a city and it was reported that there was a fifth column already acting secretly within the city to aid the soldiers from within by having wormed their way into the system to learn what was what, who goes where, who’s on first, etc..


31 posted on 02/18/2011 12:33:28 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: TwoSwords

Of course, if you meant that the “Fourth Estate” has largely joined the “Fifth Column”, you’d be right! And if that combination is what you meant by “Fourth Column”, it’d probably be fair to call it that, at least on FR! :)


32 posted on 02/18/2011 12:43:36 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: goat granny

We’d all love to see them and the no-show teachers get the boot, but I suspect Walker has a cooler head. Walker and the pubs have the numbers. All they have to do is stand firm and maximize the power and benefits of their majority. The rats are looking really bad right now. As much as I’d like to see them sent packing, I don’t think Walker should come off as too punitive and wrathful. He was elected to bring the budget under control, not punish and create chaos. But I do agree he should find some means of teaching them all a solid lesson in a very public way.


33 posted on 02/18/2011 12:50:15 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: daylilly

They did the same thing in Texas when they lost the House.


34 posted on 02/18/2011 1:06:08 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: Secret Agent Man
Basically if I were Walker, I’d set a deadline to be in chambers Friday else I’d declare those seats vacant, and issue writs of election to replace all 14 democrat senators.

Well played sir!
35 posted on 02/18/2011 6:08:33 AM PST by crosshairs (The word for actor in Greek is hypocrite (its true).)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Basically if I were Walker, I’d set a deadline to be in chambers Friday else I’d declare those seats vacant, and issue writs of election to replace all 14 democrat senators.

I think this is an excellent idea, but can the governor do it?

I wondered about this when the same tactics were used in Texas. But as far as I can tell, a state legislative office doesn't become vacant in Texas unless:

I concluded that the governor could not simply declare the office vacant, and legal proceedings were required to remove someone from office.

However, I wasn't able to find anything about that procedure, or what might constitute grounds for removal. I suspect that it's something that would have to be initiated by the Senate itself, to avoid issues with separation of powers.

36 posted on 02/18/2011 6:18:03 AM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: daylilly

I don’t get why they don’t simply declare they have a quorum and then proceed to do business. Who’s there to object to the math “error”?

If the numbers weren’t so close, you can bet the ‘rats would have left one guy in town to make this kind of objection, but they can’t in this case because the count is literally off by one.

So, intentionally mis-count and move on. Use the “standing” argument to prevent anyone except one of the missing politicians from filing a court objection. If one of the ‘rats shows up to court, haul ‘em back to the capitol to re-do the vote.


37 posted on 02/18/2011 6:22:04 AM PST by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: daylilly

BELOW IS AN UPDATE FROM A STAFFER SENT OUT AT 12:09 A.M. AFTER MIDNIGHT LAST NIGHT.

Dear Taxpayers,

This has been a Most Interesting day here at your State Capitol to say the least. Here is a quick summary of things you might want to be aware of:

1) Senate Democrats Make a Trip to Illinois - At some point during the Wisconsin Senate proceedings today, several Senate Democrats deemed it necessary to make a trip to Illinois rather than working on solutions to our $3.6 Billion budget deficit.

If you have not seen this footage already, here is the Rockford Tea Party helping to direct two of Wisconsin’s Democrat Senators back to our side of the border.

Video (1 Minute): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxKk3DSW6Sk

2) Senator Grothman on CNN - If you are awake at 6 a.m. (Friday), feel free to tune in to CNN as Senator Grothman will be debating another Wisconsin Democrat Senator that we are told is staying somewhere in the Chicago area. The time has come for a sobering conversation about the need to put Wisconsin’s financial house back in order.

3) Little Children on the March at the Capitol - Little children looking to be elementary school age have been brought into the Capitol protest that took place today. One little girl who was standing outside our window from Independence, Wisconsin, told us that she was here yesterday and today but wasn’t sure if she is coming back tomorrow. She said she wasn’t sure why she is here other than her teacher told her they had to be here as their school was going to lose a lot of money.

Taxpayers, do you think it is appropriate for little kids to be used in this manner? Parents, do you know where your children are these days?

4) Has Your School District Been Plagued with a Rash of “Sick Outs?” - Throughout the day, we have taken numerous phone calls from distressed taxpayers inquiring about school districts that are abdicating their responsibilities to students, parents, and taxpayers. Here is an interesting post on one of my favorite blogs (Boots & Sabers) from an administrator stating,

“Staff that chooses to take action tomorrow will be subject to loss of wages and potential disciplinary action.

If the district has to call off school, we will consider extending the school year.”

Full article: http://www.bootsandsabers.com/index.php/weblog/permalink/west_bend_schools_stance/
Teacher Salary/Compensation: http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/APC0110/80221166

“In the 2008-2009 school year, Wisconsin’s average salary for all teachers was $50,424.”
page 666, Wisconsin Blue Book - http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lrb/bb/09bb/index.htm

Average per pupil spending (2008-2009): $12,471 -
page 666, Wisconsin Blue Book - http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lrb/bb/09bb/index.htm

5) Keeping Informed - If you would like the latest updates on what will be happening at your State Capitol tomorrow, please see:

Vicki McKenna at 10 a.m. - http://www.newstalk1130.com/pages/vicki_mckenna.html
Vicki McKenna at 3:06 p.m. (Friday) with Senator Grothman - http://www.wiba.com/pages/vicki.html
Charlie Sykes - (Senator Grothman was on today) - http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes
Mark Belling - 3 p.m. - http://www.belling.com/
Wispolitics: http://wispolitics.com/
The Wheeler Report: http://www.thewheelerreport.com/

6) Out-of-State Protestors Coming to Madison on Friday? - The word we have received is that busloads of out-of-state protestors will be at the Capitol on Friday. If this should prove true, it’s most interesting out-of-state folks are taking such an active interest in our $3.6 Billion budget deficit. Do you think ACORN, etc., will be visiting our state?

Stay tuned….

Tonight, chanting protestors with drums are still here at the Capitol. I hope this information is helpful to you as this is a defining moment in Wisconsin. As always, feel free to share this information with others.

Have a good night.

Working for Wisconsin’s Families,


38 posted on 02/18/2011 6:43:11 AM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

It happened a few years ago in Texas too. Democrats act like children.


39 posted on 02/18/2011 6:45:20 AM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: justlurking
I think this is an excellent idea, but can the governor do it?

Most states have provisions for abandonment of office.

Unfortunately, there aren't any republican politicians to actually enforce them.

Rule of laws only applies to us little people that they can suck money out of with traffic fines.

40 posted on 02/18/2011 6:53:01 AM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: kevkrom
So, intentionally mis-count and move on. Use the “standing” argument to prevent anyone except one of the missing politicians from filing a court objection. If one of the ‘rats shows up to court, haul ‘em back to the capitol to re-do the vote.

Would be nice, but apparently republicans are required to hand in their stones when they get sworn in.

41 posted on 02/18/2011 6:54:28 AM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: montag813; All

How about this....take a precedent from Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi:

“The Bill is DEEMED PASSED.”

Since they refuse to show up for work, those that DID show up for work are conducting the People’s Business, and the bill is DEEMED Passed, since no one voted to oppose it.

Do it, and let them whine and cry all they want.

They want to play Third World politics, we can too.


42 posted on 02/18/2011 9:02:24 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: eyedigress

HA! Mine is a 98 Civic. I’m in VA, so it probably has a ways to go for an antique.


43 posted on 02/18/2011 1:35:54 PM PST by amishman (0bama=the reincarnation of Jim Jones)
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To: amishman

The funny part is a 92’ Honda with antique tags. Growing up it was always the Roadsters and 48 Coupes. Now it is mostly muscle cars of the 60’s. Throwing my Accord into the mix will be quite amusing.


44 posted on 02/18/2011 5:36:35 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: ratsreek

As I was writing that there was something telling me I had err’d but I pressed on in ignorance. Fourth Column sounds like a idea for a t-shirt, with a picture of matthews, maddow, olberman and schultz. You should trademark it. LOL


45 posted on 02/18/2011 5:48:38 PM PST by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: eyedigress

Yes, that would look funny. Thing is, that car will probably still be running 25 years from now.


46 posted on 02/18/2011 5:59:45 PM PST by amishman (0bama=the reincarnation of Jim Jones)
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To: eyedigress

Years ago I was distributing sample ballots outside our voting place. A voter came by to pick one up, looked at the reserved parking spot for the Asst Principal and the BMW parked there. He said “guess I don’t have to vote for the school funding initiative,” and went in to vote.


47 posted on 02/18/2011 6:00:03 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: amishman

New blower motor goes in tomorrow. Heat and Air still tight.


48 posted on 02/18/2011 6:52:04 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: EDINVA

It is a pretty good tell.


49 posted on 02/18/2011 6:54:00 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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