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Posted on 02/18/2011 4:54:48 AM PST by blam
Are The Wild Teacher Protests In Wisconsin A Prelude To The Economic Riots That Are Coming To America?
Feburary 18, 2011
Have you seen video of the teacher protests that are going on in Wisconsin? We haven't seen anything like this in America in quite some time. If you haven't seen video of the protests yet, some very good raw footage is posted below. On the one hand it is good to see Americans coming together and standing up for what they believe in, but on the other hand what these teachers are freaking out about shows just how much America has changed. These teachers are not protesting for liberty, freedom or to change the government. Rather, they are protesting because they want things to remain the same. They simply don't want anyone to mess with their pay. Well, the truth is that none of us ever wants to experience a pay cut. It is not a lot of fun. But sadly, states like Wisconsin are so broke that they have to find cuts somewhere. Someone is going to have to make a sacrifice. The teachers in Wisconsin just want to make sure that it is not them.
In the United States today, state and local governments are facing unprecedented budget crunches. Tax revenues are way down and expenses are way up. State and local government debt has reached at an all-time high of 22 percent of U.S. GDP, and many state and local governments are teetering on the brink of insolvency.
States like Wisconsin have to do something or else they will collapse financially. Wisconsin is facing a $3.6 billion budget deficit (which for that state is huge), and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and the Republicans in the legislature are attempting to make some tough cuts.
In particular, they want public employees to pay a little more towards their health care premiums and pension programs. In fact, what the Republicans are proposing would still leave Wisconsin public employees contributing far less to health care and pensions than their private sector counterparts.
U.S. Representative Paul Ryan recently appeared on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program and described what Governor Scott Walker is asking the teachers to do....
Scott and I are very close friends. We e-mail each other quite a bit... He's basically saying that state workers which have extremely generous benefits packages relative to their private sector counterparts, they contribute next to nothing to their pensions, very, very little in their health care packages.
He's asking that they contribute about 12 percent for their health care premiums, which is about half of the private sector average, and about 5.6 percent to their pensions. It's not asking a lot. It's still about half of what private sector pensions do and health care packages do.
So he's basically saying "I want you public workers half of what your private sector counterparts do" and he's getting riots. It's like Cairo has moved to Madison these days.
These proposed changes have caused a massive uproar in Wisconsin. Just check out the following raw video footage from the last few days....
(Go to the site of the article to see the video)
But this is what we have come to as a nation. Almost everyone agrees that reducing government debt is a good thing "in theory", but whenever anyone starts to put forward some specific proposals to cut government spending it makes those that will be affected by the cuts extremely upset.
Just look at what is happening with the federal government. Republicans and Democrats are both frothing at the mouth over extremely small budget cuts that have been proposed. Virtually none of our national politicians are even willing to discuss budget cuts that would actually make a serious dent in our budget deficits.
But we have got to do something. Spending by the U.S. government is spinning wildly out of control. Back in 1970, the U.S. government only spent about 200 billion dollars for the whole year. Well, this year the federal government is going to spend somewhere around 3.6 trillion dollars, and Barack Obama's newest budget proposal calls for U.S. government spending to increase to 5.6 trillion dollars by the year 2021. If the government continues to spend money at such a rapid pace it is going to completely wipe out our entire economic system....
But it is not just the U.S. government that is spending like a drunken sailor. Most of our state governments are complete financial disaster zones at this point as well.
As I have written about previously, the state of Illinois is such a financial disaster zone that it is hard to even describe. According to 60 Minutes, the state of Illinois is six months behind on their bill payments. 60 Minutes correspondent Steve Croft asked Illinois state Comptroller Dan Hynes how many people and organizations are waiting to be paid by the state, and this is how Hynes responded....
"It's fair to say that there are tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people waiting to be paid by the state."
Something has got to be done about our national addiction to debt.
Government spending has to be dramatically cut. All of us are going to have to make sacrifices. We simply cannot continue to spend far, far, far more than we bring in.
But we are Americans - we do not like to make sacrifices.
Our founding fathers warned us about this. They warned that when the American people figured out that they could vote themselves money out of the U.S. Treasury it would greatly endanger our republic.
Unfortunately that is exactly what is happening today. The vast majority of government spending on both the national and state levels consists of direct payments to individuals of one sort or another.
The American people have become addicted to the bread crumbs that they receive from the hand of their master.
This is not what our republic was supposed to look like.
As the U.S. economy continues to decline, we are going to see a lot more riots like we have seen in Wisconsin. Once the American people realize that the "good times" are over, all hell is going to break loose.
Already the anger and the frustration of the American people is starting to boil over. Unfortunately, that anger and frustration is focused in 1000 different directions. The ruling elite and the establishment media are constantly encouraging us to hate one another. I recently wrote about this phenomenon in an article on another website....
The truth is that the "establishment" is constantly trying to divide us and get us fighting with one another. They pit the Republicans against the Democrats (even as though control both sides). They pit one race against another. They pit one gender against another. We are told that the rich are against the poor, the north is against the south, urban is against rural and that there are even "generational battles" going on. Frustration and hate are rapidly growing in the United States today, and a lot of that frustration and hate is unfortunately aimed at the targets that the mainstream media has programmed all of us to hate. Meanwhile, those at the top of the pyramid who are controlling the whole game love it when we are divided because we can never become united and challenge their control. Unfortunately, America is more divided today than ever. Our extreme affluence has kept the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted from disappearing so far, but once our affluence is gone all of the hate and frustration in society is going to come bubbling to the surface and it is going to be horrifying to behold.
Once the economic collapse happens, most Americans are not going to take it sitting down. Most Americans are going to want someone to blame. Most Americans are going to want to lash out somehow.
America today is like a big, fat spoiled baby that is about to have its favorite pacifier permanently taken away. America is going to whine and cry and complain like there is no tomorrow.
For decades the financial "gloom and doomers" have been warning about what would happen to this country if we didn't get our house in order, but nobody wanted to listen. Everyone just kept piling up more debt as if it would never be a problem.
Well, now our entire country is covered in red ink. Large numbers of state and local governments across the country are on the verge of defaulting on their debts, and they are hoping that the federal government will bail them out. The federal government has already accumulated the biggest pile of debt the world has ever seen and continues to behave as if we can just keep borrowing and spending massive amounts of money forever.
There is no way out of this nightmare under the current system. Taxing people more is not going to solve our problems. Taxing people less is not going to solve our problems.
We have gotten to the point where it is inevitable that the debt bubble that we have created is going to burst. Our politicians can try to delay it for a while, but in the end the whole house of cards is going to come crashing down.
When the U.S. economy does totally collapse, it is going to make the riots that we have seen in Egypt and throughout the Middle East this year seem tame by comparison.
What we are witnessing right now in Wisconsin are just the "birth pains". The American people don't want to "tighten their belts". In fact, most Americans have absolutely no idea what "hard times" would even look like. When things go from bad to worse we are going to see temper tantrums in this country like we have never seen before.
So get ready. Unless there is some kind of dramatic transformation in this country, in the years ahead we are going to see some horrific economic riots.
It would be nice if we had a brighter future to look forward to, but we don't do ourselves any favors by living in denial.
Is the GOP establishment paying attention? The tide has turned and we need to drastically cut government. The Constitution gives us limited government. Let's get back to it.
Greece arrived in America allot sooner than many expected.
This War is all about the special interests of society going to the streets to claim their piece of the pie and they don’t care one bit if theres any left for the other things the country needs.
The Unions would ruin this country if they had the chance.
To ask the question is to misunderstand the problems.
The fear driven union assault is organized and politically motivated
The fear driven food riots if they come will break out spontaneously and will be anarchy
The unions have already ruined this country.
Also Governor Walker can be considered a new folk hero.
No- the protests are all bankrolled by unions. As soon as right-to-work becomes the law there the money and protests will stop.
Look for the angry backlash to occur soon.
Yes it will - eventually. America must encourage internal wealth production, and the only way to do that is to remove the penalties for producing wealth.
So: cut taxes and regulation. And more immediately: cut spending, cut agencies and sell assets. Sell some Federal Land.
No no no. Don’t compare government spending to spending like a drunken sailor. Who was it that said ~ ‘At least a drunken sailor is only spending his own money!’
No no no. Don’t compare government spending to spending like a drunken sailor. Who was it that said ~ ‘At least a drunken sailor is only spending his own money!’
From what I’ve heard, the increased pension and health insurance contributions are relatively small potatoes compared to the thing that has the teachers, as a union, in an uproar — namely, the proposed weakening of their collective bargaining power (limited to wage negotiations only...imagine that). This essay seems to have missed the bigger story.
The chart shows the milestone reached during the JFK administration in the early 1960s: the first $100 billion budget. From $100 billion to $3,600 billion in fifty years, a 36 fold increase in federal spending.
they’ll look for every reason to do so.
“Are The Wild Teacher Protests In Wisconsin A Prelude To The Economic Riots That Are Coming To America?”
The answer to that question is VERY EASY. If the ‘teachers’ in Wisconsin are put in their place, by whatever means is necessary, then the ‘teachers’ will start to understand the futility of protesting and accept the fact that they have to start acting like AMERICANS (for the first time in their lives, in most cases).
If the ‘teachers’ actually get the state to back off, it will get UGLY, VERY UGLY, as future protests will become even worse, with the ‘teachers’ actually being able to see victory by these means.
When no one else was doing it. He was smart to be first. Now the socialists are awake, and are sending more foot soldiers and fighting harder than they did here in NJ. Not that they didn't fight in NJ, but now they know it's ON.
No question, IMHO; revolutionary ground practice in the making. We have only to wait before the ‘mob rule’ shows up in DC to show the world how change really happens.
I believe that they are.
The communists are planning big riots this year.
For anyone who watched the video in the article - this is what law makers have been faced with over the past several decades any time they have tried to stem the tide of public union entitlements. Scott Walker knew he was opening the gates of Hell with his proposed reforms and I applaud him for having the courage to do so.
When the Tea Parties went to Madison over the past couple of years, the public union mobs were extremely ugly.
It’s time to stop funding our own demise through the collection of the union dues of these highly organized thugs. While the majority of public workers are not like this, the militant arm of the unions is.
“The fear driven food riots if they come will break out spontaneously and will be anarchy”
....the country is 4 missed meals away from barbarism.
Essentially, a doubling every ten years.
We, as a nation (perhaps as a world) at the high tide mark of socialism.
Socialism does not work simply because there is not enough wealth in the world to sustain it. In fact, socialism interferes with the creation of wealth by taking away individuals incentive to do what it takes to get ahead.
The most powerful nation in the world is broke and is borrowing money from its enemy (and if anyone does not think China is our enemy they have not been paying attention.)
The unions, the Democrats, the Main Stream Media, Hollywood, College professors can all scream about the need to cut back, but it will not stop cuts from being made (either now or later) no more than King Canute could stop the tide.
I do not know what is going to happen, I do however know things can not continue as they are.
Things are going to get bad before they get better. Even if the Republicans are willing to give in to the demands of the left, all that does is kick the can down the road, it does not solve the problem, it makes it worse.
Unions grow because of the greed of management, unions will be destroyed because of the greed of labor.
Here’s a SHOCKER- just flipped over to see what Morning Joe crowd thinks of this- expecting rah-rah union. Mike Barnicle, Mika, John Meacham and Joe ALL agree it’s time for public service unions to face the music. Amazing.
Yes, yes and yes.
Good. Let them out themselves.
This conflict isn’t just economic; it’s systemic and ideological, the inevitable collision between the private sector and the public trough-feeders. And yes, it’s going to get worse. But the time has come to man the barricades. If the socialists back down these reforms, I don’t believe we can halt the slide into oblivion.
Agree. I say let's not interfere with their protesting and such. They are very effectively causing the so called moderates or independents to align against them. Also, the more money the unions burn on this sort of stuff the less they will be able to contribute to the Dem's in 2012. So, let’em rant on I say...
Yep, not surprised at all by their reaction. If my memroy serves me correct, is “Morning Joe” on MSNBC and did not Comcast just bought out the NBC company, including MSNBC? The folks over there MUST and I mean MUST be BIGTIME worried about being able to keep THEIR jobs let alone worry about the public unions.
I have heard there will be a support Governor Scott Walker event tomorrow in Madison as well. Will be interesting.
This has been in the works for over 40 years. The commies have trained these useful idiots for two generations and now they’re about to reap the rewards. We will see mass protests across the country over the next two years with Obama cronies leading the way.
The left loves a body count.
Denial is not only a river running through Cairo.
As of today, feb 18th, Illinois has had my 2009 income tax refund of $275 for one year.
A dentist friend of mine tells me that the state owes him from 3 years ago as a result he does not accept state patients anymore, these aren't just welfare reciepents but some were state workers.
He now treats some indigent patients on an emergency basis only and does it for free, not bothering to bill the state.
Gas stations around my area have prominent signs displayed saying that they will not accept state of Illinois credit cards, those signs have been up for years. Illinois may well be the worst state in the nation about not paying its bills. Maybe some Californian can tell me if its worse in their state.
The economic riots are going to be far worse because the people will be hungry. These union people are fat and happy at the moment.
So be it. We have the tools to ensure that it is highly lopsided in our favor.
You are correct. I’m betting the GOP will cave on the collective bargaining aspect.
Krauthammer had good analysis on that last night. When collective bargaining happens the government representative that attends isn’t personally invested in the process so the unions usually win. If you get the taxpayers at the bargaining table, that’s a whole different thing, which the unions want to avoid at any and all costs.
When you stop slopping these government worker pigs, they will be upset. Who cares...there is no more slop.
Like Joe S said this morning - ITS MATH!
Yep! But normally reality doesn’t matter too much to liberals- yet you could see them grudgingly admit- this can’t go on..because of REALITY.
I have heard this as well. The Tea Parties have been asking for people to show up at the Capitol at noon Saturday. Just wondering, does the legislature/senate meet on the weekends?
This type of activity is right up the Obama alley. He is a community organizer and supportive of this action. He does not realize he is leader for all the people. The country needs his firm leadership and not him to take sides and cause trouble. It is too much to ask him to act like a president instead of a progressive activist in Chicago? What the he** is wrong with him?
The cool thing is that when they protest,
they tend to all wear the same T-Shirt.
Tends to help you know “who’s who” when the SHTF...
You don’t know Scott Walker like we do!
"agitate to the point of conflict, because through the conflict comes the change"
Doubtful “food riots” will be spurred on by increased prices at the super market. There is no eveidence we are anywhere near running out of food.
These illegal “teacher union” strikes are a manufacturered situation by sorass through his boy nobama. If these start happening all over, it will also be hardly spontaenous.
The unions are and have long been in the graft bed with the dems. These illegal union strikes will not go down well with an increasingly conservative America and will end badly for unions in general.
What we are seeing is a desparate move by dems because they have lost power and are rapidly loosing their voter majority.
Any State that allows a public services union to go on an illegal strike and does not fire any and all participants, then deserves being pushed around by thugs. Let em try this crap in Texas!
Unions = Bankruptcy
“Also Governor Walker can be considered a new folk hero.”
He’s a Republican. I expect he will cave in shortly.