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Colts hold news conference to speak out against gun bill
wsbt ^ | February 17, 2011 | Kent Erdahl

Posted on 02/18/2011 7:55:37 AM PST by jaydubya2

The bill would allow people to carry a gun almost anywhere in Indiana. That means licensed gun owners would be able to bring their firearms into libraries, parks, and sports arenas, including Lucas Oil Stadium.

Indianapolis

Colts owner Jim Irsay held a news conference Thursday to voice his opposition to Senate Bill 292.

The bill would allow people to carry a gun almost anywhere in Indiana. That means licensed gun owners would be able to bring their firearms into libraries, parks, and sports arenas, including Lucas Oil Stadium.

"It's not taking an issue of bearing firearms or anything. It's about, just at the event, families knowing that people aren't carrying weapons into the game," Irsay said.

Irsay said he believes the team would be unable to prevent guns from coming into Lucas Oil Stadium because the bill trumps any local gun ordinances like the one enforced by the Capitol Improvement Board at Lucas Oil Stadium.

"There is an absolute prohibition against the CIB enforcing our very reasonable and legitimate concerns about people bringing firearms into the stadium," Colts Attorney Dan Emerson said.

“I know folks are trying to put more into this than what it is.”

Senator Jim Tomes sponsored the bill. He said it takes a burden off of gun owners by eliminating city ordinances that complicate the current state law. He said he does not believe it would impact the Colts or their fans because of the private agreement each ticketholder makes with the team.

“If they don't want you bringing alcohol in or firearms in or they want you there with a shirt on that's their rule and if you accept that ticket, you've accepted their terms,” he said.

"The practical problem is we don't enforce that. We rely on the CIB and their hired security people," Emerson said.

Team Lawyer Dan Emerson said he believes the current version of the law would mean those security people wouldn't be able to do their job, and he doesn't believe any event is exempt, even the Super Bowl.

"Not the way I read that bill. The Super Bowl is not expressly carved out of that bill. There is an absolute restriction on the CIB," Emerson said.

Despite the concern, the Colts said they believe lawmakers will at least tweak the bill in order to keep guns out of any future games.

"I think reasonable people will understand what our concerns are and where the feelings of the families and everyone else is," Irsay said.


TOPICS: Government; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; prosports; sports; tickets

1 posted on 02/18/2011 7:55:38 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

I may need it to defend myself from helmet flinging players like Brandon Jacobs.


2 posted on 02/18/2011 7:58:00 AM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: edpc

Indiana has better not make the widdle “Colts” mad or they will find a Moving Van Company and slime outta town in the middle of the night like the coward-suck-a$$es that they are.


3 posted on 02/18/2011 8:00:17 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: jaydubya2

I know all the thugs that enter the stadium are most certainly going to obey gun laws./sarc

The laws are only followed by the law abiding, Irsay, you dopey lib.


4 posted on 02/18/2011 8:01:50 AM PST by dforest
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To: US Navy Vet
This idiot lead they way to keep Rush Limbaugh out of the NFL. He and his Daddy snuck out of Baltimore in the middle of the night.

Screw the NFL I hope there is no games next year

5 posted on 02/18/2011 8:04:40 AM PST by scooby321
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To: jaydubya2
iirc, he bashed Rush L, and either he or the Colt's coach praised Michael Vick.
6 posted on 02/18/2011 8:06:07 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: US Navy Vet

Indianapolis already got their super bowl champions. I say let some other city take the goats and wait 30 more years.


7 posted on 02/18/2011 8:06:11 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: jaydubya2

Why can’t the fans carry guns to the games? The thugs on the field are all armed where ever they go. Bars, whorehouses, drug deals, clubs, ect.


8 posted on 02/18/2011 8:06:22 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: indylindy

Irsay might want to consider eliminating the ‘shotgun’ formation from the Colts’ playbook. You know, to be sensitive to the problems of gun violence.


9 posted on 02/18/2011 8:07:00 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: jaydubya2
While I'm an ardent supporter of the Second Amendment (yes, I believe that if a private individual can afford an aircraft carrier with a wing of F-18s, there should be nothing preventing them from doing so) I also believe in property rights. If a homeowner, business owner, etc. deems that they do not want weapons brought onto their property and make that a condition for entry, they are within their rights to do so, although in doing so, they assume FULL responsibility for the safety and security of those they have willfully disarmed.

My question is, have the Colts or the stadium taken any public money? If so, they have made themselves a public institution and IMHO, have abandoned their rights to fully assert control over the property or its usage.

10 posted on 02/18/2011 8:07:21 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: US Navy Vet

“Indiana has better not make the widdle “Colts” mad or they will find a Moving Van Company and slime outta town in the middle of the night like the coward-suck-a$$es that they are.”

then the taxpayers would lose the privilege of supporting these bloodsuckers.


11 posted on 02/18/2011 8:07:44 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: jaydubya2; All

Someone should remind Mr Irsay, that, even with the past success of the Colts in recent years, Indiana is still a Basketball state.

Indiana U may be down, but Butler was in the natl Championship game last year.

“Hoosiers” was not about football, Mr Irsay. Do not go against your fans 2d Amendment rights while your team is on the down slide


12 posted on 02/18/2011 8:08:39 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Newt Gingrich and Chris Matthews: Seperated at Birth??)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I agree with this viewpoint and have done so repeatedly.
Prepare to take incoming fire!


13 posted on 02/18/2011 8:10:19 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: jaydubya2
upon further review ... BANG !!
14 posted on 02/18/2011 8:12:12 AM PST by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: Joe 6-pack; All

My question is, have the Colts or the stadium taken any public money? If so, they have made themselves a public institution and IMHO, have abandoned their rights to fully assert control over the property or its usage.


There are only 2 NFL stadiums not publicly owned: Miami’s Sun Life Stadium, and, (no kidding folks) FedEx Field...home of the Washington Redskins (in suburban Maryland)

All the others are either fully owned by a government, or, mostly owned by the government. This includes Lucas Oil Field, where the Indy Colts play

Thus, Irsay may not have a lot of say whether weapons could be brought in or not, since the stadium is mostly taxpayer owned


15 posted on 02/18/2011 8:14:10 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Newt Gingrich and Chris Matthews: Seperated at Birth??)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Well said.


16 posted on 02/18/2011 8:14:48 AM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I'd rather be Plaxico Burress than Sean Taylor)
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To: jaydubya2

There seems to be a dispute as to whether the law would affect the Colts.

I am 100% for gun rights, but I am also 100% for private property rights. A private property owner (or leassee) should be allowed to permit or prohibit weapons on their property at their pleasure.

I also believe the combination of beer, crazed sports fans and guns is something that a property owner would probably be wise to avoid.

The bottom line is, the state should not prohibit a property owner from allowing guns on his property, nor should it compel the property owner to allow them. Let the private property owners, guided by their own consciences, beliefs, common sense and, of course, the market, make that call.


17 posted on 02/18/2011 8:17:37 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: scooby321

The last name of this guy and his father are curse words in Baltimore to this day. What a low class thing they did to Baltimore. I still remember the pictures of the moving vans in the snow that early morning taking the legacy of the Baltimore Colts out of town.

I was not even a a Colts fan, but I thought the way it was done was disgusting and underhanded.


18 posted on 02/18/2011 8:21:11 AM PST by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior; SJSAMPLE; Forgotten Amendments
"There are only 2 NFL stadiums not publicly owned: Miami’s Sun Life Stadium, and, (no kidding folks) FedEx Field...home of the Washington Redskins (in suburban Maryland)"

In that case, I would have no problem with the stadium owners having a policy of, "no weapons allowed." Similarly, I would be perfectly comfortable with them setting a policy of, "No person admitted without firearm." It's their property.

All the other stadiums that are taxpayer subsidized can go to hell. They have allowed themselves to become public institutions, and should humbly and quietly lower their heads and submit to their taxpayer bosses while repeating, "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

19 posted on 02/18/2011 8:24:18 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: jaydubya2
Another reason to hate the Dolts.




20 posted on 02/18/2011 8:27:40 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Its not private property.

The taxpayers own the public facility.

BTW, every gun law ever passed is unconstitutional.


21 posted on 02/18/2011 8:31:12 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: jaydubya2
No open carry would make a stadium a huge killing field..
An even better killing field than a MALL>>.....
Maybe, THE BEST killing field..

Somebody has lost touch with reality.. i.e. most lawyers..
Who is the idiot that cannot comprehend a bomb belt or firearm being smuggled into a stadium?..
Among multi thousands of UNArmed cannon fodder..

That person should have his teeth SLAPPED OUT..

22 posted on 02/18/2011 8:33:37 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: jaydubya2
"That means licensed gun owners would be able to bring their firearms into libraries, parks, and sports arenas, including Lucas Oil Stadium."

Yes, we only want to see the criminals carrying firearms into these places. That would be safer for everyone...
23 posted on 02/18/2011 8:36:24 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: scooby321

‘ll take your “No games next year” and raise you one more!
This past year I watched, maybe, two games. That’s after being a NFL season ticket holder 1974-2008!! I was tired of getting screwed and no kisses or dollars.
Wiizzzz on the NFL, NHL, MLB and NBA!


24 posted on 02/18/2011 8:40:12 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Even in the case of a publically owned stadium, I think you could make a very strong case that the leasee (in this case the NFL team) should have broad discretion in making rules of conduct (including those regarding weapons) for that venue.

When a government leases a property to a private individual or organization, I believe that property becomes effectively “private” for many purposes.

That said, this should only be the case where the leassee is truly a private enitity and separate from the government. We should not allow sham leases, where for example, a public park is nominally “leased” to a “Park Conservation Society”, which then bans guns.


25 posted on 02/18/2011 8:41:06 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: alarm rider
The last name of this guy and his father are curse words in Baltimore to this day.

Baltimordor has the Ravens, now, so these miserable folk can just go "f" themselves.

26 posted on 02/18/2011 8:43:01 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jaydubya2

As I understand such laws- they also say that ANY business can ban the weapons inside their facility.

Can anyone clarify for me?


27 posted on 02/18/2011 8:45:13 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Above My Pay Grade
"Even in the case of a publically owned stadium, I think you could make a very strong case that the leasee (in this case the NFL team) should have broad discretion in making rules of conduct (including those regarding weapons) for that venue."

It would make for an interesting argument, and one I would suspect would come down to whether or not the lease arrangment specifically precluded or permitted the lessee to establish such restrictions.

28 posted on 02/18/2011 8:48:31 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

>>>>Its not private property.

The taxpayers own the public facility.

BTW, every gun law ever passed is unconstitutional.<<<

While the Colts lease it, you could make a strong argument that it is effectively “private” property for many or most purposes. I have little doubt the Colts (along with the NFL) make most of the rules of conduct and policies for the stadium during games.

If the Colts ban guns or glass bottles, Patriots jerseys or jellybeans or whatever, they are making the rules, so a gun ban by the Colts would not be a “gun law” at all.

Now, I believe the state has the right to force its leassees to allow weapons, as part of the standard terms of its leases, but failing to require this is not a violation of anyone’s gun rights, provided that control of the venue is genuinely turned over to a private entity for a private purpose.

Of course, we could argue that we shouldn’t have privately owned teams using taxpayer funded venues at all, but that is a whole other discussion.


29 posted on 02/18/2011 8:52:17 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: jaydubya2

Isray is an idiot if he thinks some people don’t carry a weapon to a game. Happens all the time. He just doesn’t want to let law abiding citizens to carry weapons.


30 posted on 02/18/2011 9:08:52 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: jaydubya2

hehe - thought they meant Colts the gun company objecting to the new law...!


31 posted on 02/18/2011 9:40:47 AM PST by Mac1
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To: Above My Pay Grade
There seems to be a dispute as to whether the law would affect the Colts.

That's how Irsay spun it, but I don't think that's right. Irsay is mad that if the law passes, the Colts will have to shell out the dough to provide for security.

As it stands now, the city, through the Capital Improvement Board, provides security for the Colts games. If the law passes, the CIB will be unable to provide the security as a result of the state law mandate. The state law won't prohibit the Colts from preventing weapons in the stadium, but without the CIB running security, then the Colts will have to pay for it out of their own pocket.

32 posted on 02/18/2011 9:42:39 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: alarm rider
I thought the way it was done was disgusting and underhanded.

The Colts left in the middle of the night because the State of Maryland threatened to seize the team using eminent domain. The legislature passed and the governor signed a bill to take the team, but the Colts had left town a few days before.

You're right about how it was disgusting and underhanded, but it wasn't the Irsays.

33 posted on 02/18/2011 9:49:01 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Dick Vomer
Happens all the time. He just doesn’t want to let law abiding citizens to carry weapons.

The St Louis Cardinals, the Kansas City Royals, the Kansas City Chiefs and St Louis Rams successfully lobbied to make a stadium or arena that holds over 5,000 people off limits to holders of Missouri Concealed Carry Permits.

The St Louis Blues arena holds 20,000. Try calling for a Yellow Cab after a night game of the Blues. You can wind up standing on a street corner with no one around except a suspicious person. (been there, done that).

Make a wrong turn in St Louis and you may find yourself in an area with drug dealers standing on street corners 2 blocks apart.

Thank you Missouri pro sport teams.

34 posted on 02/18/2011 10:18:58 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: jaydubya2
The bill would allow people to carry a gun almost anywhere in Indiana.

EXCELLENT!

35 posted on 02/18/2011 11:18:36 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: US Navy Vet
Indiana has better not make the widdle “Colts” mad or they will find a Moving Van Company and slime outta town in the middle of the night like the coward-suck-a$$es that they are

Spoken like a truly ignorant swabbie.

Irsay was getting served with eminent domain papers by the city. They were going to take his team away, against his will, inappropriately, by abusing the law. In his case, his property was actually mobile (unlike most eminent domain cases). He reacted in the only reasonable manner. He took his football (team) and went home. Only a moron (not a coward) would stay and allow the city to forcibly take a 9-figure asset away.

Next time try learning a few facts before spouting off like a buffoon.

36 posted on 02/18/2011 11:30:39 AM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: Publius Valerius

The Irsays had plenty of time to do whatever was necessary when the team was in Baltimore. The Irsays were underhanded owners of the team from day one. Do you think that there was a bit of a dust-up in the first place causing all the problems that led to the state’s threat? Yes, there was.

That they took artifacts that belonged to the BALTIMORE Colts and the people of Baltimore.


37 posted on 02/18/2011 12:43:19 PM PST by alarm rider (The left will always tell you who they fear the most. What are they telling you now?)
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To: TYVets
The St Louis Cardinals, the Kansas City Royals, the Kansas City Chiefs and St Louis Rams successfully lobbied to make a stadium or arena that holds over 5,000 people off limits to holders of Missouri Concealed Carry Permits.

easy...just don't go there. If enough people did that, then they'd change. f'em. They want money and I've got it.

38 posted on 02/18/2011 1:10:04 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

The law in Indiana is that basically handguns may be carried anywhere but, schools, school buses, airports(certain restrictions), and riverboat casinos. Private property owners can restrict or allow handguns, with only one restriction, and that is that they cannot restrict a person from having a gun in their vehicle.

However, they allowed certain places such as indianapolis, southbend, gary, etc to further restrict the carry of handguns in public areas. This law removes their grandfathered laws, and makes all municipalities follow state law.

And yes, lucas oil stadium, is public, not private property, however they could get by with restricting access as it is a private venue, in a public stadium, with an agreement when you buy a ticket.

IMO, why they are really whining(besides being libs), is that it would no longer be a police issue, but private security issue that they would have to deal with, rather than police. Therefore you could not be arrested unless you refused to leave after being asked to leave.

Also liberals love a patchwork of exceptions to laws, especially laws they don’t like, so they can try to get you on some technicality.


39 posted on 02/18/2011 3:38:34 PM PST by jkeith3213
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To: Joe 6-pack
My question is, have the Colts or the stadium taken any public money?

I believe Irsay got the biggest gravy deal in history. He was using the leverage of potentiall moving to LA and the suckers here in Indy bought it 100%.

$700 million in taxpayer money AND all the profits from other events held in the stadium. They jacked up the price of high school games there to 15 bucks.

Oh and we also owe $70 million on the previous stadium which was demolished 2 yrs ago.

Irsay is the #2 Baraqqi supporter among NFL owners after Rooney of the Steelers.

40 posted on 02/18/2011 3:52:12 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: jkeith3213

Also libs hate that a carry license here is not very restrictive, basically all you have to do is not be a felon. The municpalities/sheriffs have no real say in it, all they do is take your fingerprints for state record with your license,the license itself comes from the state through the state police, we’re shall issue, no training requirement, concealed or open carry, we have lifetime licenses, the license is inexpensive, and we accept all other state carry licenses.


41 posted on 02/18/2011 3:56:30 PM PST by jkeith3213
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To: jaydubya2

Pansies! The NRA is the OLDEST, and FAR AND AWAY the LARGEST, Civil Rights organization in the WORLD! It is exclusively dedicated to the USA’s 2nd Amendment!


42 posted on 02/18/2011 7:47:35 PM PST by 2harddrive
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