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White House Science Advisor: Climate Change Skeptics Are ‘Heretics’
CNSNews ^ | February 17, 2011 | Chris Neefus

Posted on 02/18/2011 11:09:51 AM PST by jazusamo

 John Holdren, Director of White House Science and Technology Policy with President Barack Obama at The White House

John Holdren, Director of
White House Science and
Technology Policy with
President Barack Obama at
The White House

(CNSNews.com) – President Obama’s top science advisor, Dr. John Holdren, told a congressman asking about climate change skeptics that climate change is accepted science and that “there are always heretics” in the scientific community.

“This is not the view of a few isolated scientists, this is the overwhelming view of scientists who study this matter around the world,” Holdren said, adding,  “There are always skeptics, there are always heretics. That’s in the nature of science.

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Holdren, who heads the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, appeared before the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology to discuss the president’s Fiscal Year 2012 budget request for research and development.

Holdren's comments were to Rep. Ralph Hall (R-Texas), the committee chairman who, referring to the spending levels for climate-change research, asked Holdren why the American taxpayer should put much stock in Holdren’s predictions of climate-related catastrophe, considering that he has been incorrect in the past.

The top scientist responded that the administration’s position on global climate change is in the “mainstream."

“Every major national academy of sciences in the world, and virtually all of the major professional societies that deal with the relevant disciplines have issued statements saying that the evidence for climate change outside the realm of natural variability is overwhelming, that we have very strong reason to believe that human activity is responsible for a large part of this change, that harm is already occurring from these changes and that the harm will grow unless and until we stabilize and begin to reduce our emissions,” Holdren said.

But Holdren also compared global warming skeptics to those who disparage the link between smoking and lung cancer.

“You will be able to produce on the witness stand a few who will say they don’t believe it, but they are very much in the minority,” Holdren said. “You could also produce people on this witness stand who will say, with PhD’s attached to their names, that they don’t believe cigarette smoking increases the risk of lung cancer.”

He added: “But public policy, in my judgment, should be based on the mainstream view because to base it otherwise is to risk the well-being of the public against very long odds.”

Congressman Hall was referring to a 2006 BBC television interview that Holdren gave as president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), in which he suggested that there could be a “catastrophic” rise in seal level of up to 4 meters (or 13 feet) by roughly 2100.

A BBC article accompanying the interview reads: “(Holdren) added that if the current pace of change continued, a catastrophic sea level rise of 4m (13ft) this century was within the realm of possibility; much higher than previous forecasts.”

Since then, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has concluded that sea level rise this century would be more like seven inches to 23 inches.

With that in mind, Hall asked Holdren why Americans should believe his positions and spend tax dollars to do further research on climate change.

“Your projection of potential sea rise level was over 11 feet higher than even the worst scenario case projected by your colleagues less than a year ago, so this is more than just a few of us Republicans that need to be educated on the issue,” Hall said.

“Given the disparity of these projections, why should the American taxpayer have confidence in the administration’s assurance of global calamities to come or trust your climate change education campaign?” Hall asked.

In response, Holdren said: “Every major national academy of sciences in the world, and virtually all of the major professional societies that deal with the relevant disciplines have issued statements saying that the evidence for climate change outside the realm of natural variability is overwhelming, that we have very strong reason to believe that human activity is responsible for a large part of this change, that harm is already occurring from these changes and that the harm will grow unless and until we stabilize and begin to reduce our emissions."

“This is not the view of a few isolated scientists, this is the overwhelming view of scientists who study this matter around the world," said Holdren.

“There are always skeptics, there are always heretics; that’s in the nature of science," he said.

Another committee member, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.), scolded the science advisor for using the term “deniers” – a term usually used to describe those who deny that the Holocaust occurred – to refer to global warming skeptics.

Rohrabacher asked: “Doctor, in the past you’ve made public statements referring to those who question your assessment on man-made climate change as – and you have labeled them as – ‘deniers.’ The term deniers is only commonly used in one other context and that is to question whether or not the Holocaust actually took place. Do you believe that this is an appropriate term, and what purpose does it serve except to stifle debate rather than to have an honest discussion?”

Holdren said he regretted using the term.

“Congressman Rohrabacher, when I used the term, I only intended to use it in its most straightforward interpretation,” Holdren responded. “These are folks who are denying the reality of a particular thing, namely climate change. It was not my intention to compare them to Holocaust deniers and to the extent that that’s the impression given, I regret it, and for that reason I will doubtless choose to use other words in the future.”

Holdren came to the committee to defend a budget request from President Obama that asks for a 20 percent increase in funding for “global change research.”

In his written testimony, Holdren stated, “Specifically, the 2012 Budget provides $2.6 billion for the multi-agency U.S. Global Change Research Program (USGCRP)—an increase of 20.3 percent or $446 million over the 2010 enacted level—to continue its important work of improving our ability to understand, predict, project, mitigate, and adapt to climate change.”

Hall, meanwhile, was skeptical about such spending in light out the United States’ $14 trillion national debt.

“This level of spending is simply not sustainable,” Hall said in his opening remarks, later adding, “(T)he administration’s FY12 research and development budget, at least as it pertains to a majority of the agencies within this committee’s jurisdiction, continues a heavily weighted focus on climate change, oftentimes taking money from other worthy investments.”

“From 2006 to now, we have spent $36 billion on climate change and what do we have to show for it? A lot of programs and pamphlets. We need to change that.”

The following is a partial transcript of the exchange between Rep. Hall and Dr. Holdren:

REP. RALPH HALL (R-Texas), chairman, House Science, Space and Technology Committee: "Your projection of potential sea rise level was over eleven feet higher than even the worst scenario case projected by your colleagues less than a year ago, so this is more than just a few of us Republicans that need to be educated on the issue. Given the disparity of these projections, why should the American taxpayer have confidence in the administration’s assurance of global calamities to come or trust your climate change education campaign?"

JOHN HOLDREN, director, Office of Science and Technology Policy: "Well let me say first of all, Mr. Chairman, I want to clarify that in the interview you mentioned, I was not asked about Republicans as a whole; I was asked, what do you plan to do in relation to those members of Congress who believe that climate change is not a fact—is not real. And I said in relation to that particular question that I thought this was a matter of education because the scientific facts on the reality of climate change are very robust indeed."

DR. HOLDREN: "Every major national academy of sciences in the world, and virtually all of the major professional societies that deal with the relevant disciplines have issued statements saying that the evidence for climate change outside the realm of natural variability is overwhelming, that we have very strong reason to believe that human activity is responsible for a large part of this change, that harm is already occurring from these changes and that the harm will grow unless and until we stabilize and begin to reduce our emissions. This is not the view of a few isolated scientists, this is the overwhelming view of scientists who study this matter around the world. You will be able to produce on the witness stand a few who will say they don’t believe it, but they are cery much in the minority. You could also produce people on this witness stand, who will say, with PhD’s attached to their names, that they don’t believe cigarette smoking increases the risk of lung cancer. There are always skeptics, there are always heretics; that’s in the nature of science. But public policy, in my judgment, should be based on the mainstream view because to base it otherwise is to risk the well-being of the public against very long odds."



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This Holdren is a real class act (not), people disagreeing with him or his view are heretics. He sounds a lot like his boss.
1 posted on 02/18/2011 11:09:54 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping!


2 posted on 02/18/2011 11:11:38 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Climate change heretic? I would be proud to wear that mantle.


3 posted on 02/18/2011 11:11:53 AM PST by circlecity
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To: jazusamo
White House Science Advisor: Climate Change Skeptics Are ‘Heretics’

He'd burn us at the stake except that puts carbon in the atmosphere.

4 posted on 02/18/2011 11:12:00 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: jazusamo; mmanager; Fiddlstix; Fractal Trader; FrPR; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; ...
Are we back to the Church of the Warming Globe ploy again?

 



Beam me to Planet Gore !

5 posted on 02/18/2011 11:14:14 AM PST by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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To: jazusamo
Actually, I think that the term "heretic" for those who chose not to believe in AGW is perfectly apposite:

Heresy is a controversial or novel change to a system of beliefs, especially a religion, that conflicts with established dogma.

6 posted on 02/18/2011 11:14:24 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: jazusamo

Well color me damned!!!!


7 posted on 02/18/2011 11:14:55 AM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: jazusamo

Repeat after me:

“There is no god but global warming and Algore is its Profit”

“Algore-hu Akbar! Death to the infidels!”


8 posted on 02/18/2011 11:15:01 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: jazusamo


9 posted on 02/18/2011 11:16:32 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: jazusamo
'Heretics', eh? Then by Holdren's own words it is now indeed plain that the whole 'Global Warming' thesis has mutated from science to religion.
10 posted on 02/18/2011 11:16:36 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: jazusamo

11 posted on 02/18/2011 11:17:04 AM PST by Chattering Class of 58
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To: jazusamo
Use of the term "heretic" proves that belief in climat-change/global warming is a religious belief.

I presume a Lefty Inquisition is coming?

12 posted on 02/18/2011 11:17:33 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: dirtboy

I say lets burn him at the stake so he can get used to what he will be experiencing for eternity.


13 posted on 02/18/2011 11:21:39 AM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: jazusamo

14 posted on 02/18/2011 11:21:48 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: jazusamo

Defund Holdren while we are in the business of defunding worthless shit, kkthx. =.=


15 posted on 02/18/2011 11:23:43 AM PST by cranked
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To: jazusamo

Holdren, get ready to pack your bags.

All you CZARS are about to be defunded.

No more lobster for you!


16 posted on 02/18/2011 11:23:46 AM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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To: jazusamo

BTW, Holdren’s use of “heretics” carries religious undertones......is HoldrenIdiot admitting that Climate Warming....errrr, Climate change, is a religion? /s =.=


17 posted on 02/18/2011 11:25:15 AM PST by cranked
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To: Joe Brower
Holdren is issuing Fatwas just like Zer0 does.

Bunch a religious zealots.

18 posted on 02/18/2011 11:25:37 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: jazusamo
Oh my. Holdren, don't you read? Your "settled science" is the heretical fake bunk. Here's the real climate scientist, MIT's Dr. Richard Lindzen, and his testimony before Congress.

Given the above, the notion that alarming warming is ‘settled science’ should be offensive to any sentient individual, though to be sure, the above is hardly emphasized by the IPCC.

19 posted on 02/18/2011 11:28:02 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: jazusamo
“This is not the view of a few isolated scientists, this is the overwhelming view of scientists who study this matter around the world,” Holdren said, adding, “There are always skeptics, there are always heretics. That’s in the nature of science.

Well, John, the skeptics are in your camp. The overwhelming view of real scientists who study this matter is that climate change is caused by the Sun, and not by a tiny, tiny fraction of carbon dioxide.

The so called "scientists" who believe in AGW all have a vested interest in AGW, and are funded to prove AGW with junk science. AGW is an acronym for Anthropogenic Global Warming, that is, man caused global warming.

20 posted on 02/18/2011 11:28:24 AM PST by olezip
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To: jazusamo

I’d like to see evidence where the global temperature has fallen before I will entertain the thought that it has risen.


21 posted on 02/18/2011 11:31:02 AM PST by MCCC
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To: Paladin2

Global Warming Is a Religion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2427186/posts


22 posted on 02/18/2011 11:31:02 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: jazusamo
Hmmm. Interesting that he would use the imagery of the Inquisition, which was a famously wrong as he is.
23 posted on 02/18/2011 11:32:30 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: jazusamo
This is what is presented as intelligent and principled leadership in this country? Hoo-boy, get this Holdren clown outta here, pronto.
24 posted on 02/18/2011 11:32:30 AM PST by JPG (As WI goes, so goes the nation. Thank you, Gov Walker.)
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To: jazusamo

25 posted on 02/18/2011 11:33:27 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: jazusamo

I thinks the facts on Global Warming are that nearly all scientists that are given grants to prove global warming is real agree that global warming is real. Global Warming is real all right, real lucrative that is!


26 posted on 02/18/2011 11:34:21 AM PST by BRK
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To: jazusamo; All

Funny thing about the scientific process. “Heretics” if we must use that word for a moment, are critical to the process and even can be right. Gasp.

HERETICAL THOUGHTS ABOUT SCIENCE AND SOCIETY [8.8.07]
By Freeman Dyson

http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dysonf07/dysonf07_index.html


27 posted on 02/18/2011 11:34:23 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: jazusamo

I thinks the facts on Global Warming are that nearly all scientists that are given grants to prove global warming is real agree that global warming is real. Global Warming is real all right, real lucrative that is!


28 posted on 02/18/2011 11:34:42 AM PST by BRK
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To: jazusamo

Funny that he uses the term heretic since that was used in this video, The Great Global Warming Swindle

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5576670191369613647#


29 posted on 02/18/2011 11:36:09 AM PST by think4yrsf (From Jefferson's Virginia)
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To: BRK
Global Warming is real all right, real lucrative that is!

Exactly...With Holdren and his ilk it's all about grants.

30 posted on 02/18/2011 11:37:27 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

31 posted on 02/18/2011 11:37:29 AM PST by BlueLancer (Nuke Austin from orbit .... it's the only way to be sure.)
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To: jazusamo

He sounds a lot like his boss.
He sounds like all of the big Zero’s regime - Chicago thug trash. Holdren is typical liberal idiot saying believe in what I am telling you or you are a heretic. LOL - Please show him to his cell next to Al Gore’s please.


32 posted on 02/18/2011 11:37:59 AM PST by Bitsy ( i)
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To: jazusamo

Well, at least we’re back to using the word “heretic” as an insult instead of a badge of honor.


33 posted on 02/18/2011 11:41:05 AM PST by Tublecane
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This happened because everyone let their guard down against the theocracy threat after Bush left office. :(


34 posted on 02/18/2011 11:44:50 AM PST by Milhous (Lev 19:18 Love your neighbor as yourself.)
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To: jazusamo

Tell me he didn’t actually say that. Wow. That’s not just loony, that’s Applewhite loony.


35 posted on 02/18/2011 11:53:57 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (BYOST -- bring your own sark tag. Thank you.)
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To: jazusamo

Beats being a communist that wants people to die.


36 posted on 02/18/2011 11:56:52 AM PST by dforest
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To: jazusamo

Nobody is denying “global climate change” because the climate of the globe has been changing every day since the beginning of time.

They stopped using the term “man made global warming” because the fact of the matter is that they simply cannot document that the globe is warming.

But the climate is changing and they can blame that on the evil corporations and tax the crap out of them as punishment. So whether the climate gets warmer or colder or just stays the same, it is a bad thing and it is the obvious result of evil corporate greed and the wasteful ecological activities of Republicans and their ilk.


37 posted on 02/18/2011 12:04:45 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: jazusamo

The Champion of Forced Abortions is lecturing America about what a “scientific heretic” is?

LOL.


38 posted on 02/18/2011 12:06:20 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: P-Marlowe

Yep, your right...Notice this turkey is now calling “man made global warming” change outside the realm of natural variability. They won’t even use the name “man made” any longer.

Any climate change we experience is not “man made” and hundreds of scientists agree.


39 posted on 02/18/2011 12:12:39 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Chattering Class of 58

Love that...LOL


40 posted on 02/18/2011 12:14:22 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Nobody expects the Obama Inquisition!”


41 posted on 02/18/2011 12:17:24 PM PST by AU72
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To: jazusamo

I’d aver that just about anything humans can do in the normal course of life on earth (with the possible exception of nuclear winters) is lost in the noise when compared to how natural factors can fluctuate.


42 posted on 02/18/2011 12:22:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: jazusamo
The Church of Global Warming's patron saint, St Albertus of Windbaggissi.


43 posted on 02/18/2011 12:24:16 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: jazusamo

“I’m from the government. I’m here to change the weather.”


44 posted on 02/18/2011 12:24:24 PM PST by GSWarrior (To activate this tagline, please contact the board administrator.)
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To: MCCC

To Holder;; the climate has ALWAYS been changing, you idiot, and remember;;THE APPLE FALLS UP. GOT THAT. IT FALLS UP, TRY AND GET IT THRU YOUR THICK SKULL, THE APPLE FALLS UP!!!


45 posted on 02/18/2011 12:24:39 PM PST by Waco (From Seward to Sara)
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To: steelyourfaith

46 posted on 02/18/2011 12:25:18 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: jazusamo
Political Satirist, Papa Possum, knew that these Fundamentalist Eco-Marxist Evangels thought of us as heretics.

Here's part of his satire piece on Al Gore:

    Though infidels and heretics
        denied The Truth they heard,
    And dared profess, "No consensus",
        The Prophet preached His Word.


Entire work at Papa Possum's blog, for a link to the piece click here:
Brother Al's Traveling Ecopalypse Show.
47 posted on 02/18/2011 12:26:29 PM PST by ct_libertarian (W.W.J.G.D? What would John Galt do?)
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To: jazusamo

Is this the Obama guy who wants to give farm animals the right to sue?


48 posted on 02/18/2011 12:33:54 PM PST by Former MSM Viewer
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To: jazusamo
This Holdren is a real class act (not), people disagreeing with him or his view are heretics. He sounds a lot like his boss.

QFT.

49 posted on 02/18/2011 12:36:03 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey
"Heretic -- a professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church."

In this case, I don't give any credibility to "professed believers".

50 posted on 02/18/2011 12:50:45 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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