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What's at Stake in Wisconsin's Budget Battle
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2/19/2011 | John Fund

Posted on 02/19/2011 6:54:05 AM PST by Lakeshark

This week President Obama was roundly criticized, even by many of his allies, for submitting a federal budget that actually increases our already crushing deficit. But that didn't stop him Thursday from jumping into Wisconsin's titanic budget battle. He accused the new Republican governor, Scott Walker, of launching an "assault" on unions with his emergency legislation aimed at cutting the state budget.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
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The leftists have made this their signature comeback issue. The war isn't just in Wisconsin, it's against all of us.
1 posted on 02/19/2011 6:54:12 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark
The leftists have made this their signature comeback issue.

That's great news for us.

2 posted on 02/19/2011 7:05:34 AM PST by Huck (one per-center)
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To: Lakeshark

Good piece by Fund.

This is actually a life and death struggle for them- for the whole Democrat party. Without union dues that are automatically deducted from paychecks there will be a HUGE financial loss- crippling even.

This is a huge moment for both sides.


3 posted on 02/19/2011 7:10:07 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Lakeshark

The leftists have made this their signature comeback issue. The war isn’t just in Wisconsin, it’s against all of us.


And this issue is showing them as the greedy, class warfare zealots that they are. Dems have overplayed their hand this time and have stepped in political quicksand.


4 posted on 02/19/2011 7:10:34 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Lakeshark

Chump Change and a Dog and Pony Show as far as I am concerned.


5 posted on 02/19/2011 7:11:00 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: Lakeshark
FUTURE WI DEMS
6 posted on 02/19/2011 7:11:56 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Lakeshark

Obama as captive of the past, he is pathetic.


7 posted on 02/19/2011 7:12:06 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Huck
It's only good news if we can take the narrative away from them. The media has done its best to report it from the point of view of the unions, I hope those who are in the forefront of the conservative battle continue to make it clear and simple what these lefties are really doing.

It's difficult to overcome the disinformation the democrat/media complex feeds the public. for instance, this is the only piece where I've read the attempt to take away some of the collective bargaining rights is a reaction to the over the top laws the democrats passed in 2009.

8 posted on 02/19/2011 7:12:15 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: SE Mom
This is a huge moment for both sides.

Right. And Sarah Palin has one foot firmly in both camps.

9 posted on 02/19/2011 7:13:18 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Obama is "inspired" by the vanguard of the Muslim Brotherhood.)
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To: Lakeshark

Fire every teacher who took the day(s) off, every one!

Parents can teach and wil voluteer until better teachers can be found. We don’t need these kind in our schools.

In fact ,I wouldn’tlet my child be in the class with any of those who took of.

Parents choice!


10 posted on 02/19/2011 7:13:36 AM PST by devistate one four ( AARP: Anti America Retired People Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: FrankR

LOL! Great pic.


11 posted on 02/19/2011 7:15:51 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

Get photos of the teachers in the street and fire them, even if they have a doctors excuse


12 posted on 02/19/2011 7:16:04 AM PST by devistate one four ( AARP: Anti America Retired People Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: Lakeshark

We need 57 right-to-work states. This is the start.


13 posted on 02/19/2011 7:16:13 AM PST by umgud
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To: Lakeshark
For months the ignorant democrats thought the TEA party movement was about a beverage, then astro-turf. Now they think the BUDGET BATTLE is all about the unions.

They're really a sensitive bunch, riddled with insecurity and guilt about the rout they're trying to pull out there.

But, they're probably the parents to give junior $100 because he might pout if he doesn't get it....at least THEIR partents must have been that way.

To have a ZERO for their president, they sure don't seem to understand the meaning of ZERO when the coffers are empty.

DEMOCRATS: America's Legion of Spoiled Brats.

DC-RATS
14 posted on 02/19/2011 7:17:42 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Lakeshark

Absolutely. The president is a union president. He is NOT for the rest of the country. Wisconsin represents the first domino This could the many states to do the same thing.

The unions are saying; “Screw you American public. We will not concede a dime and the rest of you will pay for it.”

In Michigan non union public employees did not get a raise and were asked to pay for more of their health care. The unions got their raise. So they are paid more for the same job. And they will get more in retirement because of this. It has to STOP. I am tired of my tax money going to Democratic Union causes.


15 posted on 02/19/2011 7:22:09 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Lakeshark
Labor historian Fred Siegel offers further reasons why unions are manning the barricades. Mr. Walker would require that public-employee unions be recertified annually by a majority vote of all their members, not merely by a majority of those that choose to cast ballots. In addition, he would end the government's practice of automatically deducting union dues from employee paychecks. For Wisconsin teachers, union dues total between $700 and $1,000 a year.

"Ending dues deductions breaks the political cycle in which government collects dues, gives them to the unions, who then use the dues to back their favorite candidates and also lobby for bigger government and more pay and benefits," Mr. Siegel told me. After New York City's Transport Workers Union lost the right to automatic dues collection in 2007 following an illegal strike, its income fell by more than 35% as many members stopped ponying up.

The communist union thugs are squealing like pigs and rats, which they are!!!!!!!

16 posted on 02/19/2011 7:22:47 AM PST by rawhide
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To: Lakeshark
Facing a $137 million budget deficit, he has decided to try to avoid laying off 5,500 state workers by proposing that they contribute 5.8% of their income towards their pensions and 12.6% towards health insurance

Looks like the gov has the Union thugs by the short hairs.

Personally, he should do both just to send them a message.

17 posted on 02/19/2011 7:23:36 AM PST by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Huck

The leftists have made this their signature comeback issue.

That’s great news for us.


And the lefties have unwittingly launched another Republican Governor into the national spotlight. And Sissy Matthews won’t be able to attack Walker on his oversized physical stature like he does with Christie (NJ).


18 posted on 02/19/2011 7:25:00 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: SE Mom

Nothing scares Union leaders more than the threat to not collect Union Dues from paychecks for them. They know that if they had to do the collecting on their own it would be a financial catastrophy.


19 posted on 02/19/2011 7:26:00 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Popman

So basically, the union(s) would rather thousands of THEIR workers get laid off than to allow any cuts in wages and/or benefits.

Wow.


20 posted on 02/19/2011 7:28:58 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: FrankR

In other words, FAILURE.


21 posted on 02/19/2011 7:29:00 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Lakeshark
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22 posted on 02/19/2011 7:29:54 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: Lakeshark
And in 1959, Wisconsin became the first state to grant public employees collective-bargaining rights, which influenced President John F. Kennedy's decision to grant federal employees the right to join unions three years later.

For everybody who thinks JFK was a conservative.

23 posted on 02/19/2011 7:30:55 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Lakeshark

It is a lose-lose for the unions anyway. If they win and stop these reforms, they are going to bankrupt their cash cow anyway. Soon gov’t employees will be hated when the middle class taspayers they are fleecing are starving. What part of, there is no money do they not understand? Greedy bastards.


24 posted on 02/19/2011 7:32:02 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Popman
Facing a $137 million budget deficit, he has decided to try to avoid laying off 5,500 state workers by proposing that they contribute 5.8% of their income towards their pensions and 12.6% towards health insurance

Considering the pain most other people have endured from loss of jobs, the leveling of salaries and actual cutting of salaries that has gone on for the average person, what the unions are asking for is outrageous.

I just hope the outrage can get communicated to most other Americans who don't know the truth about the situation up there.

25 posted on 02/19/2011 7:33:47 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark
"I support the poor oppressed 5% of workers in Wisconsin who are forced to get by on a measly $100,000 a year, plus the indignity of receiving gold-plated pension, dental, and medical plans insulated from inflation."

- President Obama


26 posted on 02/19/2011 7:34:07 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Lakeshark
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27 posted on 02/19/2011 7:35:11 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Lakeshark
Hey Democrats, I quote that great theologian you like so much: "We won, you lost!" -obamma

Now get the hell out of our way and let us fix your damn mess!

28 posted on 02/19/2011 7:36:34 AM PST by rawhide
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To: SE Mom
So basically, the union(s) would rather thousands of THEIR workers get laid off than to allow any cuts in wages and/or benefits.

Chris Christie pointed this out when the teachers squealed about what he was doing.

Christie won that round with some youtubes that went viral.

I sure hope the Wisconsin gov can communicate the simplicity of the issue and make the lefties look like the greedy fools they are.

29 posted on 02/19/2011 7:41:55 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

[It’s only good news if we can take the narrative away from them. The media has done its best to report it from the point of view of the unions]

Maybe Governor Walker should present it to Wisconsin voters this way, it is either this bill to limit public sector unions salaries, benefits, and power or a 50% tax increase on you to pay for their fat cat salary and benefits. Take you pick. Or maybe, in order to pay for the greedy public sector employees demanded inflated salaries and benefits, we will have to cut food stamps, Medicaid, road and highway funds, and for the upkeep of schools and parks. Play the liberals games. Their greedy demands will live children starving and uneducated. They are taking money off your childrens dinner table so they can live the high life. And btw, it is their corrupt relationship with Democrat politicians that has made this all possible!

How about, every union boss salary takes food from the table of ?? working familes.


30 posted on 02/19/2011 7:42:25 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Lakeshark

Hope they keep it up - the backlash from sensible American voters will crush the union thugs and anyone they support.


32 posted on 02/19/2011 7:47:37 AM PST by Jukeman
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To: KansasGirl
Their greedy demands will live children starving and uneducated. They are taking money off your childrens dinner table so they can live the high life.

Wouldn't it be fun to watch these rats squirm under their own slimy rhetoric?

33 posted on 02/19/2011 7:47:59 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Lakeshark

February 16, 2011
Man Who Shot TV Over Bristol Palin’s Dancing Preps A Mental Defect Defense

The Wisconsin man (20 miles west of Madison), who was so upset by Bristol Palin’s success on “Dancing with the Stars” that he blasted his TV set with a shotgun yesterday pleaded not guilty to criminal charges and indicated that he will mount a defense based on the claim that he has a mental disease or defect....

Read more at:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/bristol-palin/man-who-shot-tv-over-bristol-palin%E2%80%99s-dancing-preps-mental-defect-defense


34 posted on 02/19/2011 7:48:34 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: gusopol3

[And in 1959, Wisconsin became the first state to grant public employees collective-bargaining rights, which influenced President John F. Kennedy’s decision to grant federal employees the right to join unions three years later.]

Wasn’t this done by executive order? What I don’t understand is why no Republican President has reversed it.


35 posted on 02/19/2011 7:50:00 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Lakeshark

Unions are making crony capitalists look like schoolboys.

I listened to Walker yesterday - he’s got a no-nonsense manner and communicates very well. His personality isn’t like Christie- but there wasn’t any pandering, weakness or talking points either. He’s got “it”.


36 posted on 02/19/2011 7:52:24 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Nothing scares Union leaders more than the threat to not collect Union Dues from paychecks for them.

Not getting the dues by any means scares them. Back in the '60s a buddy of mine worked in a small unionized foundry where the owner was screwing them left and right - and the union did nothing. The union members all withheld their next payment of dues in protest.

The next day a suit, accompanied by two human mountains called Mr. Lefty and Mr. Fingers showed up to "straighten things out". The rebellious members told the suit that they weren't going to pay any more dues until the union went to bat for them. Mr. Lefty says, "If youse guys don't pay up, there's gonna be an 'industrial accident' here". All the guys grabbed some BIG mallets (used to knock open the molds) and replied they wouldn't be the only ones who had an "accident".

The suit steps in between the guys and says everything will be taken care of now, so just go back to work - and pay your dues. Nothing ever changed and my buddy quit in disgust.

37 posted on 02/19/2011 7:53:06 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Lakeshark

"Ideas have consequences"

- Weaver

Americans who, in 2008, voted for abstract, fill-in-the-blanks concepts of "hope" and "change" might have dug a little deeper into the philosophy upon which those concepts were based. They might have explored the associations and the voting record of the one who promised, instead of substituting their own hopes and dreams for his illusory promises.

The ideas of Mao, Marx, and Lenin, implemented with the strategies of Alinsky, cannot be expected to yield liberty, opportunity, and plenty. On the other hand, a pledge of return to the principles of liberty expressed in America's Declaration of Independence, the 1787 Constitution, and the 200-year history of American freedom, accompanied by a record of study of those ideas and a voting record which supported the promise, would have been a better foundation for measuring a leader worthy of the role.

"I am for a government rigorously frugal and simple, applying all the possible savings of the public revenue to the discharge of the national debt; and not for a multiplication of officers and salaries merely to make partisans, and for increasing by every device the public debt on the principle of its being a public blessing." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:77

38 posted on 02/19/2011 7:58:26 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: SE Mom
I listened to Walker yesterday - he’s got a no-nonsense manner and communicates very well. His personality isn’t like Christie- but there wasn’t any pandering, weakness or talking points either. He’s got “it”.

Same analysis as mine. Before hearing him, I expected the R's to fold. Not anymore.

A victory for the taxpayers against the teacher union thugs. It feels like a dream.

39 posted on 02/19/2011 7:58:39 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: KansasGirl

It sounds like you know the history better than I do. I’ve been disgusted through the years at the number of Republican politicians who have relatives in government employment, maybe that’s most of the answer. I know it seems here in DE that officeholders of either party consider their main constituency to b the public employees rather that the tax-payers. maybe that’s a consequence of their voting in higher percentage than the general public in low turnout elections like primaries.


40 posted on 02/19/2011 8:01:43 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Sissy Matthews

I am not at all concerned with a guy who reaches less than 1% of Americans.

41 posted on 02/19/2011 8:14:49 AM PST by Huck (one per-center)
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To: EternalVigilance

Your may be vigilant, but you need to work on reading comprehension. Acknowledging the good work of teachers is not siding with the union and putting a foot in each camp. Did you even bother to read her entire post? She wrote, “You don’t have to kowtow to the union bosses who are not looking out for you, but instead are using you.” She warned that the union bosses were only looking out for big government and their own power and control, and that the union bosses were willing to risk thousands of teachers and public sector workers losing jobs for the sake of that power. It is a great “common sense” post that may speak to some. Try reading it again, and this time read the whole post.

http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin#!/notes/sarah-palin/union-brothers-and-sisters-seize-opportunity-to-show-true-solidarity/10150093967618435


42 posted on 02/19/2011 8:24:55 AM PST by susan_wv
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To: Lakeshark
He accused the new Republican governor, Scott Walker, of launching an "assault" on unions


43 posted on 02/19/2011 8:36:15 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: susan_wv

Yeah, I read it all. As in so many other cases, she has one foot firmly planted in both camps.


44 posted on 02/19/2011 8:36:59 AM PST by EternalVigilance (While they've debated, the debt has increased more than the amount of their most "draconian" cuts.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Your PDS is making you insane.


45 posted on 02/19/2011 8:47:24 AM PST by gogeo (Palin/Bachmann 2012)
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Ah, I see, in the new Palin universe, if we don’t make common cause with the unions, we’re insane. Interesting.


46 posted on 02/19/2011 8:48:53 AM PST by EternalVigilance (While they've debated, the debt has increased more than the amount of their most "draconian" cuts.)
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To: susan_wv
Don't feed him, he only comes on here to pimp for Alan Keyes. He thinks he has to tear down Sarah Palin to help the itty bitty party he's head of.

The article is a good one, it's hard not to notice he isn't interested in discussing it.

47 posted on 02/19/2011 8:49:19 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: devistate one four

I would be willing to wager a princely sum that after those ‘strikers’ are fired that within a week there would be enough other teachers in place to begin school at full strengh.


48 posted on 02/19/2011 8:50:57 AM PST by Parmy
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To: susan_wv

Of course he/she didn’t read it. It’s about the BIG LIE. They are terrified by Palin. They are completely incapable of honest open debate about who she is, what she has done, and what she would do as president.


49 posted on 02/19/2011 8:51:49 AM PST by BillM
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To: Lakeshark

A Community Organizer is paid to foment resentment and class envy. That is how they gain power and influence. Think of them as simply a local version of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. That is who Obama is. Obama is a more polished version of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.


50 posted on 02/19/2011 8:53:55 AM PST by DeweyCA
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