Skip to comments.Wisconsin senators' absence raises questions on tactic ('setting themselves up for a BIG failure')
Posted on 02/19/2011 6:54:32 PM PST by Libloather
Wisconsin senators' absence raises questions on tactic
By Eric Johnson 17 mins ago
CHICAGO (Reuters) As demonstrators wrangled on Saturday over Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's move to weaken public unions, analysts weighed the consequences of 14 Democratic senators' decision to flee the state to stall the bill's consideration.
"As far as the constitution goes, there is nothing that expressly forbids their actions," Copelovitch said. "But if the same thing that is happening in Wisconsin spreads to other states, there should be explicit rules written to forbid it."
Senator Jon Erpenbach said Friday that the senators were prepared to be away for weeks, and Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca said he didn't know when they would return.
"Sooner or later all 14 will have to return--they are away from their states, homes, and businesses," said Sabato, adding that a vote is inevitable and the mathematics is not on the side of the Democrats.
"The upside is that they have brought a lot of attention to their point of view. The downside is they are setting themselves up for a big failure in public relations at some point," Sabato said.
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The great tantrum wouldn’t be happening if they were winning.
Just declare the offices vacant and schedule elections.
Could the current Assembly and Senate pass a law that forces these people back or, if they don’t come back, to forfeit their office?
So, if I don’t show up for work “for weeks”, there is nothing my boss can do to me? I didn’t know that. Must be a union thing.
There are a lot more tough votes ahead. The Wisconsin Senate will have to post guards at the doors, when the Democrats are already inside, to get the legislation through.
OTOH, the left has shown itself in this skirmish to be willing to rob the taxpayers right in front of their noses (collecting sick pay for protesting), to bully elected officials, to leave piles of filth for their fellow state workers to clean up, and, in the case of the Senators, to be cowards who run away rather than face up to the new reality.
It’s crystal clear that these loser RATs didn’t hear We The People last November. We The People will be louder in November 2012. These gutless Elitists just gave whomever runs against them all the evidence needed to defeat them.
Proof positive that these RAT Senators spit in the faces of the taxpayers of Wisconsin, IMO.
Weather the rest of this storm in WI and make sure a couple of the wobbly R’s stay firm and this is the last gasp. There will be plenty of tough votes, but the tantrums will be over. This was their best shot and public opinion will now be firmly against repeat performances.
This was a HUGE overstep by the teachers union reps and their members
The state senate needs a 2/3 quorum to vote to discipline any member.
What they should be doing is start sailing through all kinds of non-fiscal dream legislation (which don’t require the higher 20 person quorum): make WI a right-to-work state, concealed carry, etc. The pressure on the missing 14 to come back while that was going on would be irresistible.
Plus, they can strip out of the Budget Repair Bill the most controversial part — eliminating collective bargaining — and pass it right now. It’s not fiscal. Once that’s done, what reason would the 14 have for staying away? That’s really the overriding issue for them.
Just do it.
And there are some wobbly Pubbies. I have also been worried about the shenanigans coordinated by the WH. What kind of promises of campaign funding or job offers they might be making behind the scenes to ruin the majority vote. There is nothing Democrats won’t stoop to.
That is the obvious next step. I sure hope they do it.
Well thank you Cap't Obvious. That point has come and gone Mr. Sabato - you less than intelligent wazoo.
“The upside is that they have brought a lot of attention to their point of view.”
They have also brought alot of attention to OUR point of view. As people are made aware of the high income and benefits total, it will work against them.
I cannot believe that these clowns would draw their pay for this period of time...they obviously are not doing the work of the stete, have no valid reason to be absent.....NO WORK, NO PAY.....that's the way it is with the people who pay their salaries.....and I hope many of them will reconsider ever voting these doltd into office again.....hey Wisconsin, send me a check, I didn't represent you either.....PATHETIC
The White HOuse can pull what they want, but the complete repudiation this State gave them in our Statewide elections 3 months ago should open their eyes. It won’t but it should.
We hired the people we needed to fix what we know needed fixing. There will be recalls over this (political retributin for Dems if they can), but the running 14 will have hell to pay when they finally come back.
Yes the Dems will do what they always do, but they picked the wrong hill to die on in this one.
STOP THEIR PAYCHECKS AND EXPENSE ACCOUNT!!!! NOW!!!
Recall petitions are floating in Wisconsin. Waging a recall election would get their attention, and maybe get them tossed out of office too. Double win.
They are obviously taking a leaf from the book of the Texas legislators, who fled the state and hid out in Oklahoma ten years ago, to avoid a redistricting vote.
They managed to delay matters for quite a long time. But in the end they lost the redistricting battle, and I doubt whether it did their reputations any good with the Texas voters.
What is there to keep Wisconsin pubbies from simply declaring an end to public schools in Wisconsin and redirecting the money to private schools and home-school alliances?
Got it. Couldn’t agree more; get it over with and put them out of their misery.
Got it. Couldn’t agree more; get it over with and put them out of their misery.
They need to do something huge like CCW’s for everyone.
Or a 10 month waiting period on abortions.
Because this tactic will be used in every state and every county.
How is a quorum determined in the Wisconsin senate? Since every single Democrat senator fled the state, there is no one to demand a roll call. Can the Republicans just assert that there is a quorum unless there is an objection? The Texas senators who fled the state left one or two behind to force quorum calls, but the Wisconsin ones didn't have that luxury.
Thanks - I hope you are right. I know Scott Walker has the spine for it, but, with RINOs, one never knows. There is one loony Senator in Racine who actually wants to put a 2 year sunset amendment on the removal of the collective bargaining. (ugh)
The longer this stays in the national news the better. Not even the mainstream media can save the image of the leftist loser teachers and their union thug masters.
Yeah Van Waangard...he whined to his constituents in a letter that he never imagined he’d have to make these type of difficult choices. He’s a $(@$@(* coward, but so far I guess he’s holding up...from the sounds of it the Jesse Jackson’s of the world showing up has only strengthened the resolve to get this done.
To quote my 17 year old son your post was “epic.”
I want to know whose money is paying for their hotel and travel expenses. Are they financing this themselves or using taxpayer money? The latter option would really raise questions.
Or maybe the DNC is footing the bill.
Thank you, I am very cheered up after reading you.
Unions are for people too weak to negotiate their own compensation.
“Well thank you Cap’t Obvious. That point has come and gone Mr. Sabato-you less than intelligent wazoo”.
LOL, Keith in Iowa, LOL!
Did you read the comments after the article where some idiot (Nicole I think) said there had been TRILLIONS of dollars made since the stock market rebounded the past two years???????????????? What was she smoking?
Most likely your "stimulus" tax dollars at work....
I’ll be much happier if I’m right!!! ;)
I just “unfriended” a person on Facebook that I’ve known for about ten years. She was posting in favor of the Rats, and I just don’t feel like dealing with it anymore.
Actually an interesting question, I don't know about WI but in Florida State reps don't make that much money, it has to be a big personal drain. If the DNC or Obama using Federal funds and somehow paying for this I would think people would think that was a very, very serious problem.
I don't see how the liberals win this one.
On the other side, National Republicans need to publicly tie this WI shutdown/walkout to Obama and Reid's rejection of the house budget. They should call on Obama to tell the teachers to go back to the classes, to do what they are being paid for, like taxpayers must do. Do this on every TV show tomorrow.
Theissue was re-districting. And they did it twice. The House bussed to Ardmore, OK; the Senate flew to Albuquerque.
The press loved it. They thought it was "cute".
The voters hated it. They thought it was "bullshit".
And the Dems got their butts kicked in the next election.
uhbama has his troops and they are a cabal of idiots bent on doing whatever it takes to win.
When I see the union protestors, this is what I think about. How far will they go? Another reason why uhbama should keep his big ugly self out of Wisconsin's business.
I have a couple of teacher friends that are throwing themselves up on the cross this weekend about how tough things are...pretty laughable. They can only respond that Walker is breaking up their right to unionize :)
Another saying that Obama is going to come in and show Walker who’s boss...still trying to figure out if I really want to get into the whole what just happened here 3 months ago thing LOL
TX Senate Democrats fled in 2004 to avoid a vote on redistricting. They can’t pull that trick now with GOP supermajorities in both houses of the TX legislature.
Texas Democrats pulled this stunt many, many years ago to avoid voting on a bill they didn’t like.
Shortly afterward, Texans began replacing them with Republicans and they haven’t looked back.
History will repeat itself in Wisconsin.
And then what? Those behind all of this aren’t your
garden variety DUpies or Kosniki. They must have a
Plan B ready.
What is that “move to weaken public unions?” Surely compelling union members to contribute part of their pay to their own retirement funds and at least a meaningful portion of their medical insurance premiums cannot be construed as a “move to weaken public unions.”
As a Univ of Wis faculty member a TIA retirement fund contribution was withheld from my salary. Of course, I did not have a union contract to exempt me from that reasonable requirement.
They could pass all kinds of laws like open carry, voter id and right to work. Stuff the missing RATs would love to vote against.