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Wisconsin senators' absence raises questions on tactic ('setting themselves up for a BIG failure')
Yahoo ^ | 2/19/11 | Eric Johnson

Posted on 02/19/2011 6:54:32 PM PST by Libloather

Wisconsin senators' absence raises questions on tactic
By Eric Johnson – 17 mins ago

CHICAGO (Reuters) – As demonstrators wrangled on Saturday over Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's move to weaken public unions, analysts weighed the consequences of 14 Democratic senators' decision to flee the state to stall the bill's consideration.

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"As far as the constitution goes, there is nothing that expressly forbids their actions," Copelovitch said. "But if the same thing that is happening in Wisconsin spreads to other states, there should be explicit rules written to forbid it."

Senator Jon Erpenbach said Friday that the senators were prepared to be away for weeks, and Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca said he didn't know when they would return.

"Sooner or later all 14 will have to return--they are away from their states, homes, and businesses," said Sabato, adding that a vote is inevitable and the mathematics is not on the side of the Democrats.

"The upside is that they have brought a lot of attention to their point of view. The downside is they are setting themselves up for a big failure in public relations at some point," Sabato said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: fail; senators; tactic; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
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Oh, they're gonna lose. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
1 posted on 02/19/2011 6:54:37 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

The great tantrum wouldn’t be happening if they were winning.


2 posted on 02/19/2011 6:56:43 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Libloather
BAD OPTICS.

Just declare the offices vacant and schedule elections.

3 posted on 02/19/2011 6:57:45 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Libloather

Could the current Assembly and Senate pass a law that forces these people back or, if they don’t come back, to forfeit their office?


4 posted on 02/19/2011 6:58:00 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Libloather

So, if I don’t show up for work “for weeks”, there is nothing my boss can do to me? I didn’t know that. Must be a union thing.


5 posted on 02/19/2011 6:58:24 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - President Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Libloather

There are a lot more tough votes ahead. The Wisconsin Senate will have to post guards at the doors, when the Democrats are already inside, to get the legislation through.

OTOH, the left has shown itself in this skirmish to be willing to rob the taxpayers right in front of their noses (collecting sick pay for protesting), to bully elected officials, to leave piles of filth for their fellow state workers to clean up, and, in the case of the Senators, to be cowards who run away rather than face up to the new reality.


6 posted on 02/19/2011 6:59:58 PM PST by chickadee
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To: Libloather

It’s crystal clear that these loser RATs didn’t hear We The People last November. We The People will be louder in November 2012. These gutless Elitists just gave whomever runs against them all the evidence needed to defeat them.

Proof positive that these RAT Senators spit in the faces of the taxpayers of Wisconsin, IMO.


7 posted on 02/19/2011 7:05:11 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: chickadee

Weather the rest of this storm in WI and make sure a couple of the wobbly R’s stay firm and this is the last gasp. There will be plenty of tough votes, but the tantrums will be over. This was their best shot and public opinion will now be firmly against repeat performances.

This was a HUGE overstep by the teachers union reps and their members


8 posted on 02/19/2011 7:06:18 PM PST by MNlurker
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To: Loyal Buckeye

The state senate needs a 2/3 quorum to vote to discipline any member.

What they should be doing is start sailing through all kinds of non-fiscal dream legislation (which don’t require the higher 20 person quorum): make WI a right-to-work state, concealed carry, etc. The pressure on the missing 14 to come back while that was going on would be irresistible.

Plus, they can strip out of the Budget Repair Bill the most controversial part — eliminating collective bargaining — and pass it right now. It’s not fiscal. Once that’s done, what reason would the 14 have for staying away? That’s really the overriding issue for them.

Just do it.


9 posted on 02/19/2011 7:07:42 PM PST by kevao (I)
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To: MNlurker

And there are some wobbly Pubbies. I have also been worried about the shenanigans coordinated by the WH. What kind of promises of campaign funding or job offers they might be making behind the scenes to ruin the majority vote. There is nothing Democrats won’t stoop to.


10 posted on 02/19/2011 7:09:02 PM PST by chickadee
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To: kevao

That is the obvious next step. I sure hope they do it.


11 posted on 02/19/2011 7:09:40 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The world is aflame with revolution. The year 2011 will be like 1848. Be not afraid.)
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To: Libloather
"The downside is they are setting themselves up for a big failure in public relations at some point," Sabato said."

Well thank you Cap't Obvious. That point has come and gone Mr. Sabato - you less than intelligent wazoo.

12 posted on 02/19/2011 7:12:53 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: Libloather

“The upside is that they have brought a lot of attention to their point of view.”

They have also brought alot of attention to OUR point of view. As people are made aware of the high income and benefits total, it will work against them.


13 posted on 02/19/2011 7:14:34 PM PST by stilloftyhenight (Don't make me use uppercase.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
So, if I don’t show up for work “for weeks”, there is nothing my boss can do to me? I didn’t know that. Must be a union thing.

I cannot believe that these clowns would draw their pay for this period of time...they obviously are not doing the work of the stete, have no valid reason to be absent.....NO WORK, NO PAY.....that's the way it is with the people who pay their salaries.....and I hope many of them will reconsider ever voting these doltd into office again.....hey Wisconsin, send me a check, I didn't represent you either.....PATHETIC

14 posted on 02/19/2011 7:16:40 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: chickadee

The White HOuse can pull what they want, but the complete repudiation this State gave them in our Statewide elections 3 months ago should open their eyes. It won’t but it should.

We hired the people we needed to fix what we know needed fixing. There will be recalls over this (political retributin for Dems if they can), but the running 14 will have hell to pay when they finally come back.

Yes the Dems will do what they always do, but they picked the wrong hill to die on in this one.


15 posted on 02/19/2011 7:17:13 PM PST by MNlurker
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To: Libloather

STOP THEIR PAYCHECKS AND EXPENSE ACCOUNT!!!! NOW!!!


16 posted on 02/19/2011 7:17:20 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Libloather

Recall petitions are floating in Wisconsin. Waging a recall election would get their attention, and maybe get them tossed out of office too. Double win.


17 posted on 02/19/2011 7:18:26 PM PST by BAW (I know whose ass to kick.)
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To: Libloather
I believe this same thing happened in Texas a couple of years ago. Dem Senators skedaddled across the border to New Mexico in an effort to stop the legislative process.
18 posted on 02/19/2011 7:18:37 PM PST by WesternPacific (Deafness has its Advantages)
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To: Libloather

They are obviously taking a leaf from the book of the Texas legislators, who fled the state and hid out in Oklahoma ten years ago, to avoid a redistricting vote.

They managed to delay matters for quite a long time. But in the end they lost the redistricting battle, and I doubt whether it did their reputations any good with the Texas voters.


19 posted on 02/19/2011 7:18:42 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Libloather

What is there to keep Wisconsin pubbies from simply declaring an end to public schools in Wisconsin and redirecting the money to private schools and home-school alliances?


20 posted on 02/19/2011 7:19:13 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: kevao

21 posted on 02/19/2011 7:21:51 PM PST by BAW (I know whose ass to kick.)
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To: kevao

Got it. Couldn’t agree more; get it over with and put them out of their misery.


22 posted on 02/19/2011 7:22:16 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: kevao

Got it. Couldn’t agree more; get it over with and put them out of their misery.


23 posted on 02/19/2011 7:22:51 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Libloather

They need to do something huge like CCW’s for everyone.

Or a 10 month waiting period on abortions.

Because this tactic will be used in every state and every county.


24 posted on 02/19/2011 7:23:52 PM PST by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama. Then try him for treason.)
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To: BAW
Plus it's hard to run a campaign to fight a recall from a hotel room in Illinois. And if they step into Wisconsin, have the state police nab them and haul them back to the capitol for the vote.

How is a quorum determined in the Wisconsin senate? Since every single Democrat senator fled the state, there is no one to demand a roll call. Can the Republicans just assert that there is a quorum unless there is an objection? The Texas senators who fled the state left one or two behind to force quorum calls, but the Wisconsin ones didn't have that luxury.

25 posted on 02/19/2011 7:24:43 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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To: MNlurker

Thanks - I hope you are right. I know Scott Walker has the spine for it, but, with RINOs, one never knows. There is one loony Senator in Racine who actually wants to put a 2 year sunset amendment on the removal of the collective bargaining. (ugh)


26 posted on 02/19/2011 7:26:06 PM PST by chickadee
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To: Libloather

The longer this stays in the national news the better. Not even the mainstream media can save the image of the leftist loser teachers and their union thug masters.


27 posted on 02/19/2011 7:26:55 PM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: NoLibZone
Pass a photo ID requirement for voting... or (even more extreme) pass a law to clear the voter registration list and make everyone in the state reregister. That should wipe out years of fraud, multiple registrations, left overs from those moving out of state and the occasional Chicago-style zombie voter.
28 posted on 02/19/2011 7:27:38 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Washington is finally rid of the Kennedies. Free at last, thank God almighty we are free at last.)
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To: MNlurker
There are two or three Republican Senators that could “go wobbly” that's what the Democrats are hoping for. The sad thing is one Dem. Senator was reelected by 403 votes. The teacher's union spent a couple of hundred thousand $ on her campaign. Without that there would be 20 Republican Senators.
29 posted on 02/19/2011 7:34:27 PM PST by Hamilcar_Barca
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To: chickadee

Yeah Van Waangard...he whined to his constituents in a letter that he never imagined he’d have to make these type of difficult choices. He’s a $(@$@(* coward, but so far I guess he’s holding up...from the sounds of it the Jesse Jackson’s of the world showing up has only strengthened the resolve to get this done.


30 posted on 02/19/2011 7:34:30 PM PST by MNlurker
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To: NoLibZone

To quote my 17 year old son your post was “epic.”


31 posted on 02/19/2011 7:37:05 PM PST by RoseyT
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To: Libloather

I want to know whose money is paying for their hotel and travel expenses. Are they financing this themselves or using taxpayer money? The latter option would really raise questions.

Or maybe the DNC is footing the bill.


32 posted on 02/19/2011 7:38:54 PM PST by freespirited (Truth is the new hate speech. -- Pamela Geller)
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To: MNlurker

Thank you, I am very cheered up after reading you.


33 posted on 02/19/2011 7:40:14 PM PST by chickadee
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To: Libloather

Unions are for people too weak to negotiate their own compensation.


34 posted on 02/19/2011 7:40:16 PM PST by axxmann (If McCain is conservative then I'm a freakin' anarchist.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

“Well thank you Cap’t Obvious. That point has come and gone Mr. Sabato-you less than intelligent wazoo”.
LOL, Keith in Iowa, LOL!


35 posted on 02/19/2011 7:42:01 PM PST by Mountain Mary (The Pack is Back. Rodgers/Matthews 2012.)
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To: Libloather

Did you read the comments after the article where some idiot (Nicole I think) said there had been TRILLIONS of dollars made since the stock market rebounded the past two years???????????????? What was she smoking?


36 posted on 02/19/2011 7:42:41 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Green Bay Packers - SuperBowl 45 champs)
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To: freespirited
Are they financing this themselves or using taxpayer money? The latter option would really raise questions.

Most likely your "stimulus" tax dollars at work....

37 posted on 02/19/2011 7:45:10 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: chickadee

I’ll be much happier if I’m right!!! ;)


38 posted on 02/19/2011 7:45:58 PM PST by MNlurker
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To: MNlurker

I just “unfriended” a person on Facebook that I’ve known for about ten years. She was posting in favor of the Rats, and I just don’t feel like dealing with it anymore.


39 posted on 02/19/2011 7:51:27 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: freespirited
"I want to know whose money is paying for their hotel and travel expenses."

Actually an interesting question, I don't know about WI but in Florida State reps don't make that much money, it has to be a big personal drain. If the DNC or Obama using Federal funds and somehow paying for this I would think people would think that was a very, very serious problem.

40 posted on 02/19/2011 7:54:22 PM PST by WHBates
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To: Cicero
They are obviously taking a leaf from the book of the Texas legislators, who fled the state and hid out in Oklahoma ten years ago, to avoid a redistricting vote.

Texas state Democratic senator advises Wisconsin counterparts to stick together

41 posted on 02/19/2011 7:55:50 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Libloather; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; ...
RE :”Senator Jon Erpenbach said Friday that the senators were prepared to be away for weeks, and Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca said he didn't know when they would return. “Sooner or later all 14 will have to return—they are away from their states, homes, and businesses,” said Sabato, adding that a vote is inevitable and the mathematics is not on the side of the Democrats. “The upside is that they have brought a lot of attention to their point of view. The downside is they are setting themselves up for a big failure in public relations at some point,” Sabato said.

I don't see how the liberals win this one.

On the other side, National Republicans need to publicly tie this WI shutdown/walkout to Obama and Reid's rejection of the house budget. They should call on Obama to tell the teachers to go back to the classes, to do what they are being paid for, like taxpayers must do. Do this on every TV show tomorrow.

42 posted on 02/19/2011 7:59:18 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: WesternPacific
I believe this same thing happened in Texas a couple of years ago. Dem Senators skedaddled across the border to New Mexico in an effort to stop the legislative process.

Theissue was re-districting. And they did it twice. The House bussed to Ardmore, OK; the Senate flew to Albuquerque.

The press loved it. They thought it was "cute".

The voters hated it. They thought it was "bullshit".

And the Dems got their butts kicked in the next election.

43 posted on 02/19/2011 8:03:47 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: MNlurker
When protestors go to private homes, unguarded and not fenced as the WH is, it is time to call out the police and jail um. That stinks. ACORN did this to bankers who refused to give out unsecured loans to people unable to afford the morgage much less the upkeep. It was creepy and vile.

uhbama has his troops and they are a cabal of idiots bent on doing whatever it takes to win.

When I see the union protestors, this is what I think about. How far will they go? Another reason why uhbama should keep his big ugly self out of Wisconsin's business.

44 posted on 02/19/2011 8:10:01 PM PST by Republic (The entire White House presidential team needs to grow up and face facts!)
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To: Richard Kimball

I have a couple of teacher friends that are throwing themselves up on the cross this weekend about how tough things are...pretty laughable. They can only respond that Walker is breaking up their right to unionize :)

Another saying that Obama is going to come in and show Walker who’s boss...still trying to figure out if I really want to get into the whole what just happened here 3 months ago thing LOL


45 posted on 02/19/2011 8:18:53 PM PST by MNlurker
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To: WesternPacific

TX Senate Democrats fled in 2004 to avoid a vote on redistricting. They can’t pull that trick now with GOP supermajorities in both houses of the TX legislature.


46 posted on 02/19/2011 8:42:53 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Libloather

Texas Democrats pulled this stunt many, many years ago to avoid voting on a bill they didn’t like.

Shortly afterward, Texans began replacing them with Republicans and they haven’t looked back.

History will repeat itself in Wisconsin.


47 posted on 02/19/2011 8:46:53 PM PST by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: Libloather

And then what? Those behind all of this aren’t your
garden variety DUpies or Kosniki. They must have a
Plan B ready.


48 posted on 02/19/2011 9:06:22 PM PST by cycjec
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To: Libloather

What is that “move to weaken public unions?” Surely compelling union members to contribute part of their pay to their own retirement funds and at least a meaningful portion of their medical insurance premiums cannot be construed as a “move to weaken public unions.”
As a Univ of Wis faculty member a TIA retirement fund contribution was withheld from my salary. Of course, I did not have a union contract to exempt me from that reasonable requirement.


49 posted on 02/19/2011 9:07:03 PM PST by Elsiejay (.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
Could the current Assembly and Senate pass a law that forces these people back or, if they don’t come back, to forfeit their office?

They could pass all kinds of laws like open carry, voter id and right to work. Stuff the missing RATs would love to vote against.

50 posted on 02/19/2011 9:07:18 PM PST by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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