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NYPD saves 2 West Point cadets in mountaintop rescue
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| 2/20/11
| BOB FREDERICKS
Posted on 02/20/2011 8:36:02 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: The Pack Knight
I doubt this was Land Nav, I’m sure that’s still a Buckner thing. Must have been a tactical problem, probably with some sort of GPS with the leaders. The south face of Storm King is still covered with ordnance, I think that it is too expensive to clear.
Even with the standard admonition to “Never cross a paved road. If you do, you are outside of the course boundaries.” I recall that one stalwart managed to climb a fence, cross the multi-lane New York State Thruway, climb another fence, find a phone and call to report that “somehow” he had wandered off the course.”
Just saw a Fox News report that they were in Storm King State Park rappelling. Probably not lost, just stranded. They had a cell phone and called for help.
To: Defiant; thefactor
In the Times article on this, the local rescue squads said they couldn't do it and then a NY State Trooper helicopter said it did not have the right equipment. The NYPD is probably the best equipped and best trained police force in the world (certainly, at least, for their special units like rescue) and tends to answer calls for help even if not in their strict jurisdiction.
What surprises me is that and Army or Coast Guard rescue copter wasn't called in by The Point.
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posted on
02/21/2011 7:48:39 AM PST
by
Pharmboy
(What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
To: bboop
Search and Rescue usually operates in daylight hours.USAF Air Rescue Service Pilots and Pararescue Jumpers are all night-vision goggle trained. The Pave-Hawk helicopters have all-weather capabilities. I expect US Coast Guard does also.
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posted on
02/21/2011 7:55:04 AM PST
by
CholeraJoe
("And if you disagree with me, you are worse than Hitler." Greg Gutfeld)
To: Pharmboy
Stewart AFB is right there in Newburg. Guess the Air Force doesn’t have rescue guys on standby.
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posted on
02/21/2011 7:56:55 AM PST
by
thefactor
(yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
To: thefactor
Yep...forgot for a moment about Stewart AFB; but, the Coast Guard is only 40 miles south and, as you know, they have a huge presence in NYC area waterways. And no one can say the Coast Guard isn’t a) always ready or b) able to do tough helo rescues.
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posted on
02/21/2011 8:05:32 AM PST
by
Pharmboy
(What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
To: Pharmboy; thefactor
Yep...forgot for a moment about Stewart AFB;
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Stewart AFB as we ‘knew’ it is no longer.
It is called Newburgh/Stewart International AP and the NY ANG has a portion of it.
Back in mid 50’s, while in HS, I was a CAP ‘spotter’ for Stewart AFB, had a shack in a field and would call in anything that flew over.
Lots of locations, mine was in Dover Plains NY.
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posted on
02/21/2011 8:15:52 AM PST
by
xrmusn
((6/98) "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits")
To: xrmusn
Yep...I now remember when that happened some years ago. Thanks for the info...
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posted on
02/21/2011 8:19:21 AM PST
by
Pharmboy
(What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
To: RoadTest
Dont try to tell me these police arent heroes!>>>>>>
Easy to crash and die in such rough mountain weather so they put their lives at risk
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posted on
02/21/2011 8:19:21 AM PST
by
dennisw
(- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
To: JRandomFreeper
But they had a map and a compass!In my day, the most dangerous weapon in the US Army was a 2nd LT and a map.
BTW, what happens when we have an EMP attack, and GPS is rendered useless?
Echoing other posters, the entire chain of command at WP is likely in hot water over this near disaster.
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posted on
02/21/2011 8:22:07 AM PST
by
Night Hides Not
(If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
To: dennisw
“Dont try to tell me these police arent heroes!>>>>>>
Easy to crash and die in such rough mountain weather so they put their lives at risk”
That was my thought in saying they’re heroes.
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posted on
02/21/2011 12:15:30 PM PST
by
RoadTest
(Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
To: dennisw
“Dont try to tell me these police arent heroes!>>>>>>
Easy to crash and die in such rough mountain weather so they put their lives at risk”
That was my thought in saying they’re heroes.
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posted on
02/21/2011 12:15:43 PM PST
by
RoadTest
(Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
To: CholeraJoe
I’m so glad to hear that. Speaking from experience, but some years back. I would think they had latest equipment now. We have a S&R group here in our town, up against the foothills as we are, in Los Angeles. We love those guys. THey are all volunteers, do amazing rescues. I didn’t know they worked at night.
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posted on
02/21/2011 1:31:06 PM PST
by
bboop
(Stealth Tutor)
To: jimbo123
Bet those cops were not hated union members whose jobs should be outsourced before they get another raise or health benefits.
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posted on
02/21/2011 1:39:50 PM PST
by
ex-snook
("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
To: centurion316
I recall that one stalwart managed to climb a fence, cross the multi-lane New York State Thruway, climb another fence, find a phone and call to report that somehow he had wandered off the course.
I remember hearing that story or one very similar. Some plebes ended up in the town across the Thruway from Lake Frederick during the bivouac at the end of Beast, and called in from someone's house.
I did have a suspicion that the cadets in this case might have gotten lost while "reconning the woodline" (i.e., sneaking off for a smoke), but getting stranded while rappelling makes sense, too - especially with the weather they've been having lately. If they got stranded and couldn't be located with a ground search like the article on this thread says, though, it sounds like they were out by themselves, which seems a bit strange.
Land nav is a Buckner thing, of course, but yearlings who fail that or any of the other tasks required for promotion to Cadet Corporal typically have to make it up during the academic year. I doubted they were doing land nav here, though - I don't remember anyone doing Buckner makeups as late as February.
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posted on
02/21/2011 7:42:53 PM PST
by
The Pack Knight
(Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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