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Clashes, fires reported in Libya's capital
The Herald-Mail ^ | 02/21/2011 | Bob Drogin

Posted on 02/21/2011 5:49:11 AM PST by FreeAtlanta

Anti-government protests raged Monday for the first time in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, with unconfirmed media reports of pro-regime snipers firing into crowds, bloody clashes on the city's main square, and fires blazing in key government buildings. Al Jazeera reported that a fire was burning inside the People's Hall, a symbol of longtime strongman Moammar Kadafi's repressive regime. TV images ......posted using frpa

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: capital; chaos; clashes; fires; islam; leftist; libya; libyas; reported; tripoli
I wonder how many have died? I am not a fan of Kadafi, but I don't want Obama's Muslim Brotherhood to get another country and to get their Caliphate.
1 posted on 02/21/2011 5:49:14 AM PST by FreeAtlanta
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To: FreeAtlanta

My guess is 1000 or more have died, based on what I have read over the weekend.....................


2 posted on 02/21/2011 5:50:40 AM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Exactly my thoughts too. I can’t stand Kaddaffy and if he got the Benito Mussolini treatment from his people that would be sweet justice in my mind. On the other hand, no Government at all is a very dangerous thing in a country like Libya. The army is armed to the teeth and so are the civilians. This can go any direction from here, but if they get Kadaffy or force him to leave things will get even bloodier.

Libya is not Egypt or Tunisia.


3 posted on 02/21/2011 5:54:21 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Its about time they dumped their dictator but then what?

I think the French Revolution showed us that the US Revolution was the exception rather than the rule.


4 posted on 02/21/2011 5:56:09 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Bean Counter

The army might decide to run things themselves.


5 posted on 02/21/2011 6:03:46 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GeronL
"Its about time they dumped their dictator but then what?"

In France, the "Reign of Terror" or "la Terreur" followed.

6 posted on 02/21/2011 6:05:06 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Red Badger

Try some of these live english speaking TV stations. They may be bias but at least you know what side they are on.

http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b3830.htm

http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b5791.htm

http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b2742.htm

http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b3554.htm


7 posted on 02/21/2011 6:06:36 AM PST by Caribou ( www.ktok.com Red State Radio free streaming. RIP Mark Shannon)
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To: Sooth2222

My niece in 10th grade had to write a “storybook” about the French revolution over the weekend suitable for 10 year olds. I came up with a title for it: ‘The French Revolution: From a King to an Emperor’.

I also threw in a factoid that wasn’t in the textbook that about 72% of those killed in the Reign of Terror were peasants, for things like evading the draft or hoarding the draft


8 posted on 02/21/2011 6:15:11 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

hoarding food, lol


9 posted on 02/21/2011 6:16:10 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GAB-1955

yep...only in Libya, when the military coup takes place it will not be bloodless like it was in Egypt. In fact it could be the Libyan Army that gives Kadaffy the Mussolini treatment themselves, especially after being ordered to fire on their own people.

Oil is spiked up over $3 right now, and if any threat to Libya’s oil arises, the price will spike even further. Libyan oil is high quality and anything that interferes with that, like BP just announcing they are evacuating their people from Libya, will spike the price even higher with serious repercussions for economies all over the world.


10 posted on 02/21/2011 6:22:06 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Libya's Kadafi is the Muslim Brotherhood in a dress and a fancy tent. He is as much a part of the “Caliphate” as any other Islamic dictator.

Kadafi screams from the balcony “ISRAEL! I said the people should rise up against tyranny in ISRAEL!!”

11 posted on 02/21/2011 6:25:04 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: GAB-1955

Much as the military in Egypt took over from the King in the 50’s and then one of their own (Nasser) after the 6 day war failure by replacing him with an air force colonel (Sadat). Qaddaffi was one of the 4 colonels in the Libyan army that coup’ed their King in the late 60’s, so the military “taking over” now would be much like a change in CEO at a company here in the states — same outfit running the show, but a new face in front of the camera.

The thing that has to be considered is how far deep the fundamentalist islamic theology has penetrated the military.


12 posted on 02/21/2011 6:27:08 AM PST by L,TOWM (The Democratic Party Platform: Lies, promulgated by Liars whose only real talent is Lying.)
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Thanks FreeAtlanta.
...with unconfirmed media reports of pro-regime snipers firing into crowds, bloody clashes on the city's main square, and fires blazing in key government buildings. Al Jazeera reported that a fire was burning inside the People's Hall...
Gosh, I wonder who's writing those unconfirmed reports?


13 posted on 02/21/2011 6:30:03 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I’m so confused, is this the middle east or Wisconsin, it’s hard to tell these days ...


14 posted on 02/21/2011 6:38:08 AM PST by Scythian
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To: GeronL

The US revolution was a conservative revolution about returning standards of government back to how they were, not about ripping down society and rebuilding it from scratch, which usually leads to barbaric innovations and the elimination of anyone who gets in the way of constructing the revolutionary’s brave new world...


15 posted on 02/21/2011 6:39:27 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: GeronL
I think the French Revolution showed us that the US Revolution was the exception rather than the rule.

The major differences between the French and American Revolutions included:

1) Most Americans were property owners. People owned their own farms. The farm might be small, and the harvest meager, but it was HIS. Meanwhile, in France, you had a small number of property owners being ousted by a large number of property-less peasants, followed by fights over how the loot was to be re-distributed.

2) Most Americans were armed, and willing to use those arms to maintain order and protect their own property.

16 posted on 02/21/2011 6:46:39 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Yep.

Robespierre basically outlawed Christianity, abolished Sundays with a new calendar, renamed the Notre Dame as the Temple of Reason and invented new forms of worship for his Reason cult which was a new state religion during the Reign of Terror.

“Sir” and “Madam” were replaced with “Citizen” and “Citizeness” as a form of greeting. Robespierre even tried to dictate the new clothing they would wear in his utopia.


17 posted on 02/21/2011 6:50:01 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: PapaBear3625

It was much worse than that. They even tried to create Utopia during their Reign of Terror. Heck that probably WAS the Reign of Terror.


18 posted on 02/21/2011 6:51:45 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

The French Revolutionaries were early Communists. They believed in a planned society, and in the perfectibility of man. The problem with striving for the perfect utopia is that it provides an excuse to unleash Hell upon any who stand in the way of the Great Plan.


19 posted on 02/21/2011 6:57:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: GeronL
Its about time they dumped their dictator but then what?

Yes, that's the question all over the Middle East now.

The protesters say they want freedom and democracy, but that's not usually what they get.

The mullahs seem to move right into those power vacuums.

20 posted on 02/21/2011 7:00:44 AM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Very true.


21 posted on 02/21/2011 7:01:00 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Allegra

More usually like the French revolution than the American one.


22 posted on 02/21/2011 7:05:01 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SunkenCiv

The end of Quaddaffi couldn’t happen to a nicer islamist dictator.


23 posted on 02/21/2011 8:34:52 AM PST by TheOldLady ("I am optimistic... [and] greatly heartened by the response of America in 2010..." - Lazamataz)
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To: TheOldLady

:’)


24 posted on 02/21/2011 8:51:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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25 posted on 02/21/2011 10:24:31 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The primary difference between the American and the French revolutions was that the former based its claims on faith in the One Who made us. The latter did not.


26 posted on 02/21/2011 10:42:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance (No President who performs his duties faithfully and conscientiously can have any leisure. - JK Polk)
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To: L,TOWM
Arab military regimes have always given lip service to Islamic clerics, but they tend to ignore them in practice; this is a hope.

We're not going to get a Jeffersonian democracy out of the Middle East, but we can avoid the Moslem Brotherhood's grasp on power.

27 posted on 02/21/2011 4:12:34 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

i do believe that the muslim brotherhood is not on the side of the protestors, but will have to muscle in to take it away from these people who, i believe, want what is promised in iraq.... freedom to choose... if it disintegrates into a caliphate, then all hell will break loose...

this administration should demand a constitutional move to protect individual human rights immediately... but i doubt they will.

teeman


28 posted on 02/21/2011 4:48:18 PM PST by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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