Skip to comments.Video case reflects generations' great divide (musician faces 20 year sentence for youtube prank)
Posted on 02/21/2011 10:29:38 AM PST by Gena Bukin
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I am convinced that when it comes to matters of morality, moderates and even some liberals will side with conservatives if we present true conservatism.
The problem is the non-conservatives who want to steal the conservative label. Conservatism is fiscal conservatism AND social conservatism AND strong national defense. Without ANY of these three elements conservatism fails.
First there were the "Goldwater conservatives" (they were obviously too dense to understand that Goldwater was a FAILURE) and then they started calling themselves "fiscal conservatives" and now "Tea Party conservatives." These people ARE NOT conservatives, they are leftists who don't like taxes.
Let me guess, the other True Blew trolls were making fun of you for not getting zotted and you figured that coming here and defending pedophiles would give you more credibility?
Thanks for both of your concern of my past.
Sorry if I misunderstood.
Things comedians say on stage are only jokes if you say so.
Perhaps that’ll be the Republicans message in 2012.
We’re making metmom the Secretary of Jokes. Metmom will make the determination of what is funny and what is not.
We had some success in 2010 by being against more government, but metmom insists that what is necessary are more laws and more bureaucracy and more government regarding things that are jokes, or things that become not jokes because metmom doesn’t like them.
Under no circumstances should conservative mean anything except what people who call themselves “conservatives” want at any given time.
If the Democrats like Vanilla, Conservatives like Chocolate, and anyone who thinks we should be silent on the issue of “best ice cream” is clearly a liberal agitator.
And it’s amazing how many people have never seen South Park.
Remember, those are CHILDREN on South Park.
And it’s not a joke. Did anyone see South Park a few years ago, Kenny and Mrs. Crabtree? Kenny Died! Died! He was dead. Parker and Stone need to be put on sex offenders lists. Because it’s a slippery slope. First it’s a cartoon depiction of Kenny crawling up ..., and then Parker and Stone will take actual kids and do that. And for you who think that South Park is a joke, IT’S NOT. It’s a sex crime. Parker and Stone are sex criminals. </s>
I have no clue if he’s a pedophile or not. He may be. But
usually doing pedophilia makes one a pedophile, and making a video makes one a video maker.
And lots of people here just think, just like Democrats, that things they don’t like are the same thing as crimes, and if they’re not crimes, they should be.
Show me one post, one word of defending peodophiles that has ever been written or iterated by me. One.
It gets a bit scary around here sometimes doesn't it?
A. It's encouraging how many people have seen South Park and decided for themselves not to watch it again...it's that moral fiber of society thing.
B. Remember, those are CARTOONS on South Park.
Goldwater and the tea party are not country club Republicans, or RINOs who are liberals who don’t like taxes.
The phrase “fiscal conservative” does not match tea party and does not match Goldwater.
Limited Constitutional Government. The Federal Government must do much much less. That is not the fiscal conservative position, and it is the tea party position.
Bush was weak on National Defense (see 9/11) but excellent at pointlessly spending Billions or Trillions halfway around the globe on Military Offense. There is no 3 legs anymore.
Socons should be louder at making it clear that gay marriage is 100% unacceptable. The elites, the BushRinos, have been filling the RNC with fags and they’re there now and apparently we can’t just get rid of them. We should explain how Limited Constitutional Government means socially conservative outcomes. Get rid of Roe v Wade, that’s a big government solution.
Limited Constitutional Government. The pole affixed to the floor. try knocking that stool over.
I believe it is and so do those involved. He created a video that represented the children as enjoying music that was porn. Do you know how many actual pedophiles viewed it? Of course not. It’s another step down the slippery slope. Representing children as sexual objects and enjoying sexual content is dangerous. This kind of thing isn’t a joke and it isn’t funny. It portrays children incorrectly.
Are you saying that the Children on South Park did not actually have the storyline happen to them? Right, and nothing bad happened to the Children in the video either.
I thought that the argument was that the kids did not know that anything bad was happening, but it was still bad.
Yes. It does. That ANYONE would think it's fine to portray elementary school age kids as enjoying explicit sexual lyrics is very scary.
No, I am saying that the “children” on SP are not real. I am also shaking my head in amazement that you are actually using cartoon characters in an argument about real children...and that you think it’s somehow clever.
You can work with metmom. She’s the Secretary of Jokes.
You can be Undersecretary of portraying children correctly.
Overall, there’s a lot of depravity out there, but I basically give joe blow local a slide.
Watch some tv if you’re interested in popular culture post 1970. You’ll get really really mad.
Try these shows, and get back to me on this.
Jon Dorn Television Show. IFC
The Whitest Kids You Know. IFC
Funny or Die presents. HBO
Eastbound and Down. HBO
People are making a lot of money from those shows. Bad people are being influenced to do bad things by the stuff the see on TV.
And faggotry is depraved and it’s all over network TV. Watch network TV and report back with all the instances of profag you see in a week.
And don't forget scary. How anyone can compare cartoons to real children that can be harmed is beyond me.
The parents were upset because their childrens faces were clearly shown. There is NO way of knowing if that video was viewed by pedophiles and if they thought the children were actually enjoying explicit lyrics.
In neither case did bad things happen to Children.
True or False?
The other issue is that nobody needs to be encouraging pedophiles to be molesting children.
This video could easily incite or encourage someone to act on the message.
There is no such thing as a victimless crime. If (or more likely when) some child is molested because of the content of something like this, the guy who produced it is ultimately culpable.
We CANNOT destroy the moral fiber of this country and expect it to survive. It will not happen.
Yes. There is. Which is why we shouldn't countenance more. There's a loooooong fall at the end of that slide.
Btw, I don't have TV. There is NOTHING on there but garbage.
That's the fear since the childrens faces were very clear in the video.
His intentions have nothing to do with it either. How many times to people claim "I didn't mean it" when the consequences are dire? It doesn't matter what was meant. What matters is the outcome.
I’ve been busy this AM and just now checked in to FR.
This is an amazing thread.
The idea that the disgusting, filthy and vile “lyrics” mean nothing and are harmless while innocent children are being used as props is evidence that a moral revolution needs to happen asap or the future is extremely dark.
This is very enlightening. Animals in the barn, field and forest are morally superior to people who think this stuff is fun or harmless. Animals follow their nature; humans who consider that any and all sexual expression or promotion is good fun are violating their higher nature and as a result destroying society.
A. You have no way of knowing who saw the video of these local children, what the fallout to them might be or if anyone who did see the video might be emboldened by it.
B. You might as well argue that peeping tom activity is just fine since nobody gets hurt.
C. In only one case were real children involved. It is disconcerting that you cannot get your mind around the fact that SP is a cartoon.
It’s not even just the kids in the video who are in harms way.
If some perv can’t get to them, he’ll get to whomever he can.
Having the kids in the background makes it look like they’re agreeing with it and enjoying it
That’s the thing these pedophiles convince themselves of, that the kids really want it. This is how those children are being unwittingly, on their part, portrayed.
Why are you so familiar with all those shows...research?
The childrens faces were shown without compensation, and the parents are upset. I get it.
Were the children harmed? Any evidence of that?
Perhaps the viewers thought they were actors? Which is was exactly what they were. Actors, props, whatever. And they weren’t paid.
If someone sees a kid getting killed on a tv show or a movie, watch out. That kid is alive again. Wow! Who knew! And someone out there is gonna kill that kid who was killed in that movie, because they saw it on tv and will duplicate it.
No kids were hurt, no child sex took place, end of story.
We’ve got you applying for a goverment job - make everything DJ MacWow doesn’t like illegal.
Turn your sights on Hollywood. There’s faggotry galore there. Leave some local alone. If Hollywood starts giving him work, and he starts doing sick stuff in movies with kids, then complain. Because that effects many many more people than some local on youtube. Or are you down with the Hollywood leftist depravity. Maybe you’re just upset that an indielocal got some hits instead of the Hollywood pros.
No doubt, the actors in the locals clips were apparently not paid. Is that it?
Anyway, you have your mission - find things in Hollywood that upset you, and complain about them.
Bad things did happen to these children. They were featured in a pornographic video.
Are you the same troll who was zotted a while back after defending pedophilia as long as it isn’t physically painful to the victims? Is that the position you’re taking here?
Yeah, right. Previous screen name?
No, I don’t agree with desecration of Holy Mother Church in visual art. My concern is strictly aural.
And I’m no leftist. I just abhor all censorship.
When you can play Rachmaninoff’s Third Concerto, then you can criticize my musical judgment.
Exactly. And this video did just that.
They were no more actors than the people who end up on the news.
You are really twisting to find a way to defend this perversion. One wonders why...but not for very long.
I don’t think he should have prison time, I think he should be beaten so severely that he will never, ever consider using children for sexual purposes ever again. Publicly beaten. I’m a huge proponent of public pain and public shame, and also public executions.
$5,000 fine and one week picking up trash on the roadside. No sex offender registry.
There. I fixed it. He won’t do it again.
“Previous screen name?”
Apparently you don’t know what lurking on the web means.
Actually the forum I was on before here was the Ted Nugent Talkback forum.
That one met my needs until Nugent charged a membership and all the good posters left an I git board.
I came here mostly for article links and had no need to reply.
But you know it all anyway.
I watch them because they’re funny. But old people who get easily offended like yourself would hate them.
There’s also a lot on Comedy Central that’s offensive. But I pretty much stopped watching Comedy Central (still try to catch the South Parks) after Obama was inaugurated, and Stewart and Colbert still attacked Republicans even though the Ds has the Presidency, the House and the Senate. Just said “enough” there and stopped watching that.
Take your empty moral sack back to DU. Defending this pervert is marking you as one of ‘his’.
Nobody here cares about your 'musical judgement'....it is your moral judgement that we see and abhor.
Using children in a sex music video encourages pedophiles. If you don’t see that, you have moral blinders glued on.
No. You don't.
And you left this out: There is NO way of knowing if that video was viewed by pedophiles and if they thought the children were actually enjoying explicit lyrics.
The parents are frightened for their kids and you smear them.
This isn't about TV. You watch too much of it apparently. I watch none so I'm not influenced by garbage that compromises my morals. It's too bad that you are.
You have problems and I won't respond again.
What offends me is your nambla approach to children....it's cool as long as nobody gets hurt. and you decide what that means.
Exactly. It wasn’t a joke or a prank and it wasn’t intended to be one.
Well, something we agree on! I too think it’s a waste of taxpayer monies to throw this pervert in jail. It would be far cheaper and much safer for society if an efficient frontal lobotomy was performed and this pervert then trained to rake leaves and sweep floors.
It’s likely that they are a Tru Blewer and trolling morality threads.
Sound fine to me. Just let the parents of the children do the beating.
If you see this kids mug shot he has a smart ass smirk on his face. He knew the video was a prank and thought getting caught was just part of the joke.
The smirk quickly faded when the 20 years in prison charge came and he knew he Farked up.
Until the ACLU teamed up with porn producers, pornography and obscenity were illegal. For roughly 200 years.
But thanks to the communist founded ACLU and princes like Larry Flynt, we now have omnipresent pornography and sexually explicit stuff that would make the Marquis de Sade embarrassed.
It has nothing to do with Big Government. It has everything to do with leftists and sick depraved scum forcing their view on society.
Tell those children will have this haunting them for their whole life that nobody was hurt.
They have to get their street creds. If this troll would just show the folks at true blew his/her home videos of sex acts with zoo animals, it would save everyone the bother.
Disclaimer: My depiction of this troll as a participant of bestiality in no way actually harms the troll. I offer no monetary compensation for the troll’s acting.
Personally, I think pedos should rot in jail, those who actually HARM children either physically or emotionally.
The person charged in this case has done neither. Was his video extravaganza in extreme poor taste? Absolutely. Does he deserve to go to jail over it? Certainly not. It also could have been a masterstroke of self-marketing and publicity generation for his questionable musical abilities.
A decade or more ago Ice-T made an album that contained a song called “Cop Killer”. Of course it created a media firestorm involving even the FBI Director, who just had to go on TV and put his two cents in. All the resorting publicity caused this relatively mediocre album to sell in triple-platinum numbers.
Talk about marketing genius. You couldn’t pay a Madison Ave. firm a large enough fee to generate the kind of publicity through an ultra-expensive ad campaign that the media hoopla created for free.
Now kindly get down off your sanctimonious high horse and relax. Have a cocktail or two and listen to some soothing Chopin Nocturnes. Your blood pressure will thank you for it.