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Video case reflects generations' great divide (musician faces 20 year sentence for youtube prank)
Mlive.com ^ | 02/20/11 | Cindy Fairfield

Posted on 02/21/2011 10:29:38 AM PST by Gena Bukin

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To: DJ MacWoW

“Noobs have not proven themselves to be Conservative activists. And on threads like this they prove they are not Conservative”

Boy aren’t you righteous!


51 posted on 02/21/2011 12:02:42 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: Jazz1968
Boy aren’t you righteous!

Yes because I'm on the right side of this and am not making excuses for innocent children being used as props in musical porn.

52 posted on 02/21/2011 12:06:22 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: beandog

“You should have kept lurking, FR would have been better for it.”

You are so Conservative, yet you sink to Liberal tactics when someone doesn’t agree with your view.


53 posted on 02/21/2011 12:07:57 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
No pal, I’m a professional musician, and any censorship of any music is anathema to me...

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I'm a professional writer. I have moral standards, especially when children are involved. I am guided in my opinion by these standards, not by a sense of personal self-interest.

If children were used as un-witting visual props for sexually explicit lyrics, as it seems to be since nobody has refuted the court's claim of content, then this is child pornography. You may find it acceptable because of your professional sef-interest. I find it abhorrent.

And, anybody who professes that this creep did not experience some thrill while singing "put my hand down your panties..." while mixing the lyrics over a picture of smiling children is blind and to me, morally suspect.

54 posted on 02/21/2011 12:09:38 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: DJ MacWoW

Saying I’m making excuses shows how challenged your reading comprehension is.
I said the kid is a dumb ass, but I also think the punishment should fit the crime.

How much prison time should he get oh great one?


55 posted on 02/21/2011 12:10:51 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: DJ MacWoW; wtc911; beandog; Palladin; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; RnMomof7; samiam1972
Look at the signup dates of all the defenders. 2008, 2009......Maybe they don’t know this is a Conservative forum and not a Republican one.

Most of them are MoRon Paul libertines who hope to destroy American.

56 posted on 02/21/2011 12:11:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jazz1968; beandog
You are so Conservative, yet you sink to Liberal tactics when someone doesn’t agree with your view.

Free Republic is an activist website for Conservatives. It is not meant as a forum for debating liberals. So yes, we all agree. And those that don't are usually zotted sooner or later. FR has no obligation to give a platform to anything but Conservatives voices.

57 posted on 02/21/2011 12:12:03 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Gena Bukin
I'm hard pressed to think how society is best served by throwing this young man in prison until he's forty.

It's a little harsh, for sure. I think 5 years would send the right message. He'd be out in three for "good behavior".

58 posted on 02/21/2011 12:14:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: DJ MacWoW

So now you run and speak for all on FR?
Better yet, you speak for all Conservatives?

NOT THIS ONE!


59 posted on 02/21/2011 12:15:15 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: Gena Bukin; DJ MacWoW; wtc911; beandog; Palladin; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; RnMomof7; ...
Noob? You think this is my first rodeo on an internet forum? I may have signed up a month ago but I sure wasn't born a month ago.

So tell us troll, how many zots have you racked up at FR over the years?

Just because I don't believe this young man should spend a significant amount of his adult life incarcerated doesn't mean I'm not appalled by his vulgar, juvenile sense of humor (and not particularly funny or original. Dave Chapelle did it better).

So, would it be fair to say that you are "personally opposed" to pedophilia, but don't want to impose your views on others?

I'm reminded of those feminists who believe that every regrettable act of drunken, consensual sex is by definition rape. This insults those victims who have experienced violent rape, something that is a decidedly different experience from bad drunken sex. Calling this guy a child pornographer and charging him as such is no different and just as much of an insult to the very real victims of actual child pornography and predatory child sex offenders.

It's disturbing the lengths you and your ilk will go to in order to rationalize pornography.

60 posted on 02/21/2011 12:15:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Lancey Howard
It takes a certain level of decayed thinking to even conjure up the concept of creating this video.

I do not believe that years of incarceration are in order. I do strongly believe that this type of thinking and acting on the thought is evidence of a sexually depraved attitude toward children. Probation, limitations on contact with any children and listing on sex-offender lists are called for.

61 posted on 02/21/2011 12:20:51 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Jazz1968
On FR THIS man does! What I told you came from the OWNER.

Who reads FR? How many accounts on FR? What does FR stand for? Where is FR going? 01/19/11 Jim Robinson

Why should FR use its limited resources to allow liberals, homosexualists, abortionists, big spenders, big taxers, big government solutions advocates, gun grabbers, pacifists, isolationists, environmentalists, open-borders lobbyists, etc, ply their trade on FR? Well, more and more lately, we don't. And, apparently, that has pissed off a lot of big tent, true blue RINO types and the herd is stampeding. Let them go.

62 posted on 02/21/2011 12:22:54 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Gena Bukin
....doesn't mean I'm not appalled by his vulgar, juvenile sense of humor (and not particularly funny or original. Dave Chapelle did it better).

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May we assume then that your level of indignation, low as it is, would not exist at all if you thought that the video was funny?

May we also assume that, since you say that it's not as funny as some other, similar videos you've seen and enjoyed, you in fact watched it? If you did, were you titillated or disgusted?

63 posted on 02/21/2011 12:30:25 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: beandog

He knew what he was doing was wrong or else he would have sang the actual song. As to defenders on FR I’m not shocked anymore. People no longer understand morals and ethics.


64 posted on 02/21/2011 12:30:53 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I agree with Jim’s points.

You obviously don’t understand my position on this story, or at least don’t want to.

You are clearly an emotional thinker. Not necessarily a Conservative trait by the way.


65 posted on 02/21/2011 12:31:20 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: Jazz1968
You are clearly an emotional thinker. Not necessarily a Conservative trait by the way.

Apparently, believing this young man doesn't deserve to spend twenty years behind bars makes one a pervert, porn aficionado and closet kiddie diddler. Oh, and a liberal troll.

66 posted on 02/21/2011 12:40:04 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: DJ MacWoW
No reason to be shocked at all, they are sent to FR by the left to pursue an agenda.
67 posted on 02/21/2011 12:42:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Gena Bukin
Apparently, believing this young man doesn't deserve to spend twenty years behind bars makes one a pervert, porn aficionado and closet kiddie diddler.

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Nope.

But your defense of "low-level" sex-offenders and your objection that this particular video sinned mostly by not making you laugh does make us suspicious of your moral fiber.

68 posted on 02/21/2011 12:48:01 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Jazz1968
Your position in Post 34 is that he was just joking. If it is so harmless why didn't he sing the song in front of the children? Because he KNEW what he was doing was wrong.

I don't consider it a joke to use other peoples children in music porn. The parents didn't think it was a joke either. Only the MTV generation seems to think it's a "joke". The adults aren't laughing.

69 posted on 02/21/2011 12:57:57 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Gena Bukin
Michigan Penal Code Section 750.145c.

Doesn't look good for the prosecution.

70 posted on 02/21/2011 12:58:46 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Gena Bukin; Jazz1968

Where has anyone said he should get 20? Most of us object to unwitting children being used in music porn. Others think using other peoples children in porn is a misguided “joke”. No one actually involved is laughing.


71 posted on 02/21/2011 1:00:31 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wagglebee

It seems so. I suggest they try Tru Blew. They’d think it’s funny.


72 posted on 02/21/2011 1:01:16 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I'm sure many of them are members there already.
73 posted on 02/21/2011 1:04:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“Your position in Post 34 is that he was just joking. “

That is not my position that he was joking, it is the fact of the case. That it was a prank is a fact that that was his intention. No one involved in the case disputes this.
Even the prosecution admits it was a prank.

I don’t think it is funny, never said it was.
Learn to read.


75 posted on 02/21/2011 1:08:50 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: Jazz1968
Know what the hell you are talking about and be willing to back it up before you start accusing me of crimes.

Woah, relax! Re-read what I wrote. I wasn't accusing you of anything! I was making a comment about all the other people on this thread who are equating what this idiot did with real child molestation, something I disagree with and thought you did as well.

I was supporting your position, --at least I thought I was.

76 posted on 02/21/2011 1:11:03 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: DJ MacWoW

It’s a crime?

It’s in the “video editing” section of the law?

“Bad things” and “things that look like bad things” are the same now?

I thought the Dems were the ones who put their feelings before their intellect.


77 posted on 02/21/2011 1:13:21 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Jazz1968
Again if it is so harmless why didn't he sing the song in front of the children? Because he KNEW what he was doing was wrong. He can call it whatever he wants. The truth is he used OTHER peoples CHILDREN in a music porn video WITHOUT the parents permission. He represented the children as enjoying something they didn't hear. He USED children. No one involved is laughing.

I don’t think it is funny, never said it was.

I never said you did. Learn to read.

78 posted on 02/21/2011 1:13:59 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: wagglebee

I think so too. They love trolling.


79 posted on 02/21/2011 1:14:22 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: truthfreedom

He used other peoples children in a music porn video without their knowledge or consent and he misrepresented the video. That ain’t innocent and only the MTV generation would think it is.


80 posted on 02/21/2011 1:16:05 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Gena Bukin

“Re-read what I wrote. I wasn’t accusing you of anything!”
The hell you didn’t

You specifically addressed this to my quote and me.
To Jazz1968: “Apparently, believing this young man doesn’t deserve to spend twenty years behind bars makes one a pervert, porn aficionado and closet kiddie diddler. Oh, and a liberal troll.”

You were way out of line!

You need to re-read.


81 posted on 02/21/2011 1:16:29 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: wagglebee

Well Golly! Quite a few have broken moral barometers.


82 posted on 02/21/2011 1:17:03 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Palladin; wagglebee; DJ MacWoW; trisham; little jeremiah
So glad the FR pervs are self-identifying on this thread.

They sure are. Nothing like a thread about morals to bring out the worst in some people.

Comparing this to Mozart and Wagner is really scraping to find some justification to support this.

Support of this kind of obscenity and perversion is why our culture is going down the tubes and why child abuse is on the rise.

Anyone supporting or defending this kind of nonsense is as guilty of a child getting molested as the perv committing the act. It's called being complicit.

83 posted on 02/21/2011 1:17:16 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“That ain’t innocent and only the MTV generation would think it is.”

Now here I agree 100%.


84 posted on 02/21/2011 1:18:52 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: wtc911

pwnd.....


85 posted on 02/21/2011 1:20:31 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wtc911
You wouldn't happen to be on a sex offender list, would you?

What? No response yet?

Imagine that.

86 posted on 02/21/2011 1:21:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine; DJ MacWoW; wtc911; beandog; Palladin; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; ...
No pal, I’m a professional musician, and any censorship of any music is anathema to me.

I'm sure you also support "art" like urine-soaked Crucifixes or feces-smeared canvas and scream censorship if children were prohibited from seeing it.

Its that whole slippery-slope argument.

Yes it is, you and your leftist ilk put us on the slippery slope a long time ago and you will do whatever is necessary to insure that America continues its descent into Hell.

87 posted on 02/21/2011 1:23:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“I never said you did. Learn to read. “

I never said you said it. Learn to read.


88 posted on 02/21/2011 1:24:00 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: Jazz1968; beandog

He SAID it was a joke.

That doesn’t make it one.

That’s the typical bully/thug response when caught and confronted about wrongdoing.

Turn it back on everyone else, claim it was a *joke* and complain that you can’t help it if nobody else has a sense of humor. Make everyone else the bad guy and him the martyr.

Not buying it.

What he did was thought out, deliberate and intentional. It took planning and time and effort.

No, it was not a joke.


89 posted on 02/21/2011 1:25:16 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

According to many on FR, Democrats and Liberals on the one hand, and Republicans and Conservatives on the other, are exactly the same, but they have different ideas about what should be banned.

According to many, “big government conservatives” are the only good kind of conservative, even if JimR is not a big govermment conservative.

A handful of Conservatives jump up and down about something, and before you know it, it’s impossible to persuade moderates that Conservatives are better. It’s just a choice about what you want to ban. Conservatives want to ban video editing that makes it look like kids are in favor of bad things. It’s not enough to make bad things a crime.

Let’s just start putting Hollywood directors in jail for anything we don’t like.

I guess there aren’t too many tea party conservatives here, just Bush/RINO “conservatives”.

I remember when people were voting against too much government. I guess it was just not the right kind of government. If Obama started putting people in jail for videos they didn’t like, they’d be all for Obama. Gonna walk around with a sign “Obama - the wrong kind of big government”?


90 posted on 02/21/2011 1:28:55 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Jazz1968
You need to re-read.

No, obviously I needed to use a 'sarcasm' tag. Sorry you took my post exactly the opposite of how it was intended. I have agreed with your points on this thread 100% of the time and DJ MacWow's points exactly 0% of the time.

91 posted on 02/21/2011 1:29:24 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: metmom

Do you think the fact that he’s a comedian influence the way you think about whether it was a joke?


92 posted on 02/21/2011 1:30:21 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Jazz1968
I never said you said it.

Yes. You did.

93 posted on 02/21/2011 1:31:02 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Jazz1968; Gena Bukin

Actually Jazz, I think gena was taking a jab at those would judge you for making such a suggestion. After all, the gang’s all here after the trumpet blast was sounded by one. Or, was it a dog whistle?

I am sorry to hear of your experience as a youth. I can’t imagine.


94 posted on 02/21/2011 1:32:20 PM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: wagglebee; Gena Bukin; Emperor Palpatine; DJ MacWoW; wtc911; beandog; Palladin; little jeremiah; ...
What some of these pornography apologists clearly do not understand is that here we may argue vehemently over things political but when it comes to morality and children we unite to form a strong wall against all those who seek to incrementally chip away at our defenses.

There is no gray area when it comes to children, only absolute zero tolerance.

I do not have the authority to close the FR door on those of you who have shown a willingness to comprimise with the mystery man and I would not ping the boss....but....I believe that I speak for the rest of us when I say that you would never be welcome in my house or in the company of my family.

95 posted on 02/21/2011 1:32:48 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Lando Lincoln; Jazz1968
Actually Jazz, I think gena was taking a jab at those would judge you for making such a suggestion.

Thank you, Lando. This is exactly what I was doing (though not very well, it appears).

I am sorry to hear of your experience as a youth. I can’t imagine.

Indeed, Jazz, as am I.

96 posted on 02/21/2011 1:36:10 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: truthfreedom
Do you think the fact that he’s a comedian influence the way you think about whether it was a joke?

No.

He can claim kiddie porn music is a *joke* all he wants and it doesn't make it one.

I think he wanted to see how far he could push the issue in porn and get away with it. I have no doubt that he knew what kind of response it would provoke.

97 posted on 02/21/2011 1:38:25 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jazz1968
Listen prick, I was molested from 8-12 years of age by a real pedophile, and this kid is not one...

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I am genuinely sorry that you have to carry that around.

Do you know everything about your molester? Do you know how he found his way to that depravity? Was he born that way? Did he just wake up one day and start? Or, as is likely, did he build up to it?

Neither you nor I know exactly what was in this funny guy's head when he made the video. I do know that the mind that came up with the idea of singing "I'll put my hand in your panties..." in front of a backdrop of smiling children is sick. I also know that anyone who thinks these thoughts and then acts them out on camera should never be allowed interaction with children and should be on a watch list.

98 posted on 02/21/2011 1:40:39 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: DJ MacWoW

Sounds like a contract law dispute. Or a tort. There might be a cause of action somewhere there. They were in a video and they weren’t paid. And parents didn’t sign permission slips. Kids are in movies where bad things happen all the time. And hollywood makes big money.

But it’s not a crime.


99 posted on 02/21/2011 1:41:32 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Yes it is well known the kid is a amateur comedian and this video was planned ahead of time.
He played it at a comedy club on a variety night a week before he posted it on youtube.

Prosecutors and Defense both agree it was a sick prank gone wrong. What they don’t agree on is what crime was committed and what punishment should be applied.

He is a idiot and has a twisted sense of humor, but he is no pedophile.


100 posted on 02/21/2011 1:42:58 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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