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Bernard Nathanson Dead at 84
National Catholic Register ^ | February 21, 2011 | Stephen Vincent

Posted on 02/21/2011 10:34:54 AM PST by OddLane

NEW YORK — Dr. Bernard N. Nathanson, an obstetrician who oversaw the performance of about 75,000 abortions before becoming a leading pro-life advocate and a convert to the Catholic faith, died after a prolonged battle with cancer this morning in New York. He was 84.

After performing his last abortion in 1979 and declaring himself to be pro-life, Nathanson produced the 1985 film The Silent Scream, which shows sonogram images of a child in the womb shrinking from an abortionist’s instruments, and the documentary film Eclipse of Reason, which displays and explains various abortion procedures in graphic detail. Both films had a significant impact on the abortion debate, solidified his credentials among pro-life advocates and earned him the scorn of his former pro-abortion friends and colleagues.

He also published a number of influential books, including Aborting America, written in 1979 with Richard Ostling, then a religion reporter for Time magazine, in which he exposed the deceptive and dishonest beginnings of the pro-abortion movement and undermined the argument that abortion is safe for women.

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1 posted on 02/21/2011 10:34:56 AM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Rest in peace, Dr. Nathanson.


2 posted on 02/21/2011 10:37:35 AM PST by Palladin (Obama, go back to Hawaii! Better yet, go back to Kenya!!)
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To: OddLane

I haven’t killed anyone, yet people think I’m going to Hell because I’m an agnostic. He kills 75,000 and he’s praised for declaring he’s against the procedure later.

A serious question—anyone have any references to Christian writings on this sort of thing? Thanks in advance.


4 posted on 02/21/2011 10:42:03 AM PST by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: OddLane

Rest in peace, Dr. Nathanson.


5 posted on 02/21/2011 10:44:11 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Luke 15:25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”


6 posted on 02/21/2011 10:45:51 AM PST by PGR88
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To: OddLane

RIP Dr. Nathanson.

75K abortions seem high to me if he stopped in ‘79. RvW was ‘73. He could gave been practicing in a state that legalized it before then (but no sooner than the 60s) or could have been doing them illegally before (ugh) but large numbers didn’t come into play until the 70s IIRC.

Let’s say he did this for ten years - ‘69 to ‘79 - 7500/year?!


7 posted on 02/21/2011 10:46:52 AM PST by jtal
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To: Darkwolf377

Non-Christians, and even some Christians, are under the mistaken idea that committing sins is what will send you to hell. They won’t. All sins have been forgiven; yes, even murder and genocide.

The acceptance of that forgiveness and the willingness to submit to the grace of salvation is what saves a soul from hell.

It’s not what you do wrong, it’s if you will accept the gift of salvation.


8 posted on 02/21/2011 10:49:31 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: firebrand

ping


9 posted on 02/21/2011 10:50:13 AM PST by OddLane
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To: Darkwolf377

Give the Parable of the Laborers in the Vineyard (Matthew 20: 1-16) a quick read. It’s as good a place as any to start.


10 posted on 02/21/2011 10:50:34 AM PST by Oratam
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To: OddLane

RIP, Dr. Nathanson.


11 posted on 02/21/2011 10:51:24 AM PST by syriacus (ObamaCare: Helping millions through HURTING millions)
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To: Darkwolf377

“I haven’t killed anyone, yet people think I’m going to Hell because I’m an agnostic. He kills 75,000 and he’s praised for declaring he’s against the procedure later.”

“A serious question—anyone have any references to Christian writings on this sort of thing? Thanks in advance.”

Christianity says, (speaking to relatively “more righteous” people): “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith.” (Rom 3:23-25)

Anyone can accept the gift of life in Christ—waiting for them—however, they cannot claim it and cling to their own rights...their own “just deserts” or really, their own sins—to be able to accept that gift. You either trust yourself and your own goodness/righteousness.... or trust Jesus’ righteous life standing in for you.... and then: “if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” (2 Corinthians 5:17)

This is how the one thief on the cross next to Jesus was able to go to Heaven: he trusted Jesus at His word, and rested in that—NOT looking to his own good deeds (which evidently being a thief weren’t so good anyway!) to save him. The same is true for any Christian—we are only beggars and thieves compared to Jesus Christ, and we find rest only in trusting in Him.


12 posted on 02/21/2011 10:59:49 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Darkwolf377
In addition to the parable of the vineyard, you might also consider the personal history of St. Paul.

Acts, chapters 7-9. He actually participated in a murder.

13 posted on 02/21/2011 11:03:39 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Darkwolf377
We all sin and we all ask for forgiveness..

I for one do believe in God and believe he came to earth to save us from our sins..I have no answer for you about this man only God can tell you that..

Although I am a Christian I wonder why people like this and other murders get into heaven..I would never judge anyone because that is not my place..Oh I can think things and thing like this where this man murdered these babies and also wonder why he is getting away with it but I can't judge him....Well one day I will find out when I go to meet my maker..

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/get_right.shtml

14 posted on 02/21/2011 11:10:08 AM PST by PLD
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

[ Non-Christians, and even some Christians, are under the mistaken idea that committing sins is what will send you to hell. They won’t. All sins have been forgiven; yes, even murder and genocide.

The acceptance of that forgiveness and the willingness to submit to the grace of salvation is what saves a soul from hell.

It’s not what you do wrong, it’s if you will accept the gift of salvation. ]

So you are saying that Hitler, if he found jesus in the bunker with Eva could very well be in heaven?

What about if the devil asked for forgiveness?


15 posted on 02/21/2011 11:10:07 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Hitler, yes.

Lucifer has condemned himself beyond grace, as far as we have an understanding of his betrayal.


16 posted on 02/21/2011 11:17:48 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: OddLane

In God’s hands.


17 posted on 02/21/2011 11:22:04 AM PST by Chickensoup (“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face — forever.” Orwell)
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To: GraceG
“So you are saying Hitler, if he found Jesus...”

Of course -anybody! That's why Christianity is so powerful and attractive.

“What about devil?”

No deal. Jesus’ sacrifice was for we humans only. Satan, angels, and other heavenly creations aren't covered.

18 posted on 02/21/2011 11:24:58 AM PST by Dansong
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


19 posted on 02/21/2011 11:27:17 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: OddLane

During my teen years, I was very liberal. My mantra was: “if you’re against abortion, don’t have one”.

By my first presidential voting opportunity in 1980, I voted for Ronaldus Magnus and never looked back.

One day in the mid-90s when I went to get a passport, I grabbed my birth certificate and I was stunned to see the signature of the delivery obstetrician (at St. Luke’s Hospital in NYC in 1962) was none other than “Dr. Bernard Nathanson”.

God bless you, Dr. Nathanson, for bringing me into this world, and for your conversion to the value of life. May your soul rest in peace.


20 posted on 02/21/2011 11:28:59 AM PST by gopgal4life
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To: AnalogReigns
He kills 75,000 and he’s praised for declaring he’s against the procedure later.”

Anyone can accept the gift of life in Christ—waiting for them—however, they cannot claim it and cling to their own rights...their own “just deserts” or really, their own sins—to be able to accept that gift.

The above answer, from the Evangelical tradition, is excellent. Dr. Nathanson became a Catholic convert, which asks one thing more: Confession and penance. Someone in his position is required to confess his sins in private to a priest; to have real sorrow for them; to do whatever penance the priest prescribes for him, which in Dr. Nathanson's case probably involved extensive good works and public witness for the sanctity of life, perhaps in addition to daily penitential prayers and private mortification such as fasting; and do it all with a "firm purpose of amendment."

It's no walk in the park. Someone who is given a "walk in the park" by his confessor to amend for serious sin might do fine, if he is blessed with a full change of heart, but others need to do more to claw their way back to the faith, charity, and simplicity of a saint.

Dr. Nathanson's turnaround cost him more dearly in this world than any of us can know. He was the darling of the cultural elite, celebrated in the world's approved newspapers and feted in international capitals as the liberator of women and a wise and generous sage of medicine. Once he changed his views, he was shunned, and was soon accused of ignorance, lying, quackery, and lunacy—because he was the first to show the world, through his film, "The Silent Scream," that the unborn could feel pain.

RIP and thank you Dr. Nathanson. God help me do as well as you.

21 posted on 02/21/2011 11:33:58 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Darkwolf377

That’s an excellent question, Darkwolf. I can only refer you to John 3:18, two verses later than most Christians’ favorite verse.

I appreciate your not having killed anyone, but would like to pray for you anyway. May God bless you.


22 posted on 02/21/2011 11:36:08 AM PST by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: GraceG
"So you are saying that Hitler, if he found jesus in the bunker with Eva could very well be in heaven?"

Although this scenario is highly unlikely based on what we know about Hitler, the answer is yes. The Bible tells us that "If you believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, and confess with your mouth that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved." All who truly believe will have thier sins forgiven and will be spared the judgement. That Jesus could have saved Hitler shouldn't lead to anger, but rather to rejoicing-if Jesus can save even the wickedest man I can think of, he can save me, too!

(On a side note, Ravi Zacharias, who is much smarter than me, discusses Jesus and Hitler at length in his little book The Lamb and the Fuhrer. I highly recommend it.

As for Satan, the Bible declares that Jesus died for the sins of men, not angels. As far as we know the fate of Satan was decided immutably at the moment of his rebellion.

23 posted on 02/21/2011 11:38:28 AM PST by jboot
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To: Darkwolf377
Darkwolf, it is also helpful to consider your (implicit) question from the opposite perspective: Why should God put YOU on eternal, infinite welfare with a a glorious, perfect existence in Heaven?

We often adopt a perspective that is ridiculously egotistical, thinking about the subject of salvation as if it were a natural right. Nothing could be further from the truth. God owes you and I nothing. And while some people are better than others from a human perspective, we all fall short as sinners, and we all have _nothing_ to offer God that He needs from us. So the Gospel really makes sense - either salvation is a free gift, or it would be at a price none of us could pay.

But I don't want to put that too flippantly either. Salvation involves reconciliation with God, and for it to be sincere there must be more than an empty affirmation of faith. We have to be willing to be transformed to enter Heaven (otherwise, to let us in would be to 'contaminate' it with sin, and it makes no sense to complain of others sins while holding on to our own), not holding on to our own sinful will.

So yes, a mass murderer who sincerely reconciles with God and accepts Jesus as Lord and Saviour (as I believe Dr. Nathanson did), is ready for Heaven, while a person who has rejected Jesus' sacrifice for themselves and is clinging to their sinful pride and will contra God, is destined for Hell. Regardless of how 'good' they are in their own eyes, it's never good enough in God's eyes.

24 posted on 02/21/2011 11:40:38 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Hitler, yes.

What about his Jewish victims? Did they go from Auschwitz to an eternity of damnation?

25 posted on 02/21/2011 11:40:38 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
See my post above. You Freepers claim to be conservatives, and part of conservatism is not supporting welfare parasitism. So why do so many people act like they ought to be able to leech off God for all eternity, and that it's unfair if He doesn't extend Himself for all eternity serving their sinful apetites?

God is both perfectly just and perfectly loving, and both those factors need to be kept in mind or a person will quickly develop a badly skewed perspective on Him. The Gospel is free and it reflects His perfect love for us; likewise His perfect justice means He cannot be a sloppy accountant regarding sin.

26 posted on 02/21/2011 11:47:59 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: Liberty1970
My question was about Jewish victims of Hitler, which you did not address.

Care to address it?

27 posted on 02/21/2011 12:00:01 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H
I did address it, if you simply apply what I wrote.

Yes, everyone goes to Hell if they are not reconciled to God. Let me turn the question on you: what do you think is 'fair'? What standard would you hold God to, and what would be your justification? Moreover, upon what authority do you rest your argument?

28 posted on 02/21/2011 12:02:29 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: gopgal4life

“the signature of the delivery obstetrician (at St. Luke’s Hospital in NYC in 1962) was none other than “Dr. Bernard Nathanson”.”

Wow, that’s quite a story. Scary also.


29 posted on 02/21/2011 12:05:50 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: Ken H

It’s between each man and God where he will spend eternity. Only God, and God alone, makes that judgement.


30 posted on 02/21/2011 12:08:58 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Darkwolf377
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

God loves both you and the former abortionist. The difference is that the abortionist repented and you haven't decided that God even exists. Once you decide that He does and you repent of your sins and accept His salvation, then you'll be heading up, not down. I pray that you will come to know Jesus as your personal Savior and the best friend you'll ever have. Don't give up the search.

31 posted on 02/21/2011 12:15:27 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Darkwolf377
I haven’t killed anyone, yet people think I’m going to Hell because I’m an agnostic

I wouldn't worry too much about the going to hell part. Since you don't believe in such things, I guess you won't be going anywhere.


32 posted on 02/21/2011 12:33:51 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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To: Darkwolf377
"...anyone have any references to Christian writings on this sort of thing? Thanks in advance."

Saul of Tarsus violently persecuted Christians before becoming one of them. If any person in modern history has had a similar "road to Damascus" moment, I would wager it was probably Dr. Nathanson.

33 posted on 02/21/2011 12:40:17 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Liberty1970
I did address it, if you simply apply what I wrote.

Applying what you wrote, I get that your answer would be: Yes, Hitler's Jewish victims will spend eternity in Hell. Correct?

Let me turn the question on you: what do you think is 'fair'? What standard would you hold God to, and what would be your justification?

I don't know what would be 'fair'. However, I do think the idea that the vast majority of human beings who ever lived and died are going to suffer eternal torment is unfair.

Moreover, upon what authority do you rest your argument?

My sense of right and wrong forms that opinion. Do you not react with horror when you read about appalling acts of cruelty? Why do you react that way? Why would you not react that way when we're talking about something much worse in the afterlife?

34 posted on 02/21/2011 12:42:11 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Darkwolf377

Darkwolf-
I want you to KNOW that you can KNOW Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. You are an agnostic. Jesus said, “Now this is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.” (John 17:3) When you put your faith in Jesus, He will come into your life and you can KNOW Him in a personal way. Good works don’t count. It is by faith you are saved.


35 posted on 02/21/2011 12:50:53 PM PST by Buddygirl
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To: Ken H
So your standard of authority is, basically, your feelings?

Do you not react with horror when you read about appalling acts of cruelty?

I would refine that a bit, or make a distinction at any rate. I 'react with horror' when I see _injustice_, not 'cruelty'. A person may suffer severely, but they may do so unjustly or justly. It is not cruel to punish an evildoer, for example.

This reaction you speak of, is either born of a God-given conscience, or not. If not, then it counts for nothing as far as determining an objective moral basis for anything. (I might as well seek to make my pizza preferences a legal standard.) And if it is, then when I correctly understand a given situation then there can be no contradiction between divine justice and a divinely-provided moral standard. It's easy to portray some people as 'innocent' (or relatively so), such as the victims of death camps. But none of us are innocent from God's perspective.

36 posted on 02/21/2011 1:01:21 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: jtal
Re: 75K abortions seem high to me if he stopped in ‘79.

To answer your questions: Yes Dr. Nathanson was performing abortions in New York, where it was legal before Roe V Wade legalized it throughout the country. Secondly, note that the article states: “an obstetrician who oversaw the performance of about 75,000 abortions” . He ran the abortion mill. He didn't perform all 75,000 of the abortions personally.

If you read the article, it breaks down the number of abortions he was involved with: “Overall, Nathanson estimated, he presided over 60,000 abortions as director of the facility, instructed fellow practitioners in the performance of 15,000 other abortions, and personally performed about 5,000 abortions, including one on his own child conceived with a girlfriend in the 1960s.”

37 posted on 02/21/2011 1:19:48 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: PGR88; Anitius Severinus Boethius; Oratam; AnalogReigns; AnAmericanMother; PLD; ...

Thank you all for the serious responses, they’re much appreciated. I didn’t want anyone to think I was being a wiseguy, and I will read through all of these posts.

Belief aside, the Bible and theology are fascinating subjects. Thanks again.


38 posted on 02/21/2011 1:21:44 PM PST by Darkwolf377 ( Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! Mm-yummy! --E. Cartman)
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To: Darkwolf377
The basic teaching of the Gospel is that repentance is rewarded with forgiveness for the faithful. There are no limits mentioned. Sometimes people see this and think, that is not justice. No. It is not justice. It is mercy, which God is ready to rain down on the repentant faithful without ceasing.
39 posted on 02/21/2011 1:31:42 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Darkwolf377
The bottom line is that Faith is a gift of grace from God. If you were to ask Him for it perseveringly, even without being sure of His existence, He will not disappoint you. I'm sure of it.

Your asking questions as you did, is you responding to the grace He's already giving you. He's extending his hand. He wants you to know Him, and live as His son. I can see that very clearly, even if you can't right now.

I'll keep you in my prayers.

40 posted on 02/21/2011 1:31:47 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Cantor, you should have cut more.)
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To: Ken H; Darkwolf377
Dear Ken H and Darkwolf377, nobody can say with pointblank certainty that any particular individual is in hell, no matter how hell-bent they were in this life: not Hitler, not Mengele, not even Judas, let alone whole groups, nations, religions, races, or political movements. The Church canonizes, but does not demonize; and we serve the LORD

"who wills that all men be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth"

(1 Timothy 2:4)

If I, a brine-shrimp in the general swim of things, had the power to command, I would command that people adopt the above-headlined attitude as their own; and if they cannot, they should stop talking in the name of the LORD.

As for appalling criminals getting unmerited mercy at the last second: that is God's business to figure out, not (thank God) mine.

41 posted on 02/21/2011 1:33:03 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Me transmitte sursum, Caledoni! (Beam me up, Scotty.))
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To: OddLane

Thanks for the ping. I met him once about ten years ago at a pro-life Christmas party. A story of redemption. RIP.


42 posted on 02/21/2011 1:36:17 PM PST by firebrand
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


43 posted on 02/21/2011 1:48:43 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Ken H; Darkwolf377; Mrs. Don-o
I read his autobiography several years ago. Dr. Nathanson spent the rest of his life in reparation for abortion, and to do as much as he could to undo the evil he committed. It's a fabulous book about an incredible conversion, which I heartily recommend.

http://www.amazon.com/Hand-God-Journey-Abortion-Changed/dp/0895264633

44 posted on 02/21/2011 1:51:52 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Cantor, you should have cut more.)
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To: OddLane; DManA; CynicalBear; M. Espinola; topcat54; ShadowAce; jy8z; The Theophilus; ...

Like Norma Covey, the “Jane Roe “ of “Roe v. Wade,” Dr. Nathanson was received into the Roman Catholic church. His baptismal sponsor was the Baptist, Charles Colson.


45 posted on 02/21/2011 1:55:18 PM PST by RJR_fan (Lovers and winners shape the future. Losers and whiners TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Thank you. It’s tremendous.


46 posted on 02/21/2011 1:58:59 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that show us what we truly are. " -- J.K.Rowling)
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To: RJR_fan

please remove me from this ping list......thank you


47 posted on 02/21/2011 2:10:01 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I hope he knew about Congress’ efforts to defund Planned Parenthood, and that Steve King referenced “Silent Scream” during the debate.

Between King and Chris Smith, I could feel the libs squirming! I can't remember the name of the next black woman Rep, but I kept yelling at her on my screen: “Honey, they're killing your race!”

48 posted on 02/21/2011 2:23:46 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Cantor, you should have cut more.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

P.S.: I had the news/talk radio on all day, and did not hear one word about his passing. I found out about it from this thread.


49 posted on 02/21/2011 2:30:15 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Cantor, you should have cut more.)
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To: RJR_fan

Chuck Colson is married to a practicing Roman Catholic and he’s given plenty of evidence he doesn’t understand the depths of the papist error.

I’m not familiar with the author of the following link, but it’s 100% accurate, IMO.

http://www.cephasministry.com/charles_colson.html


50 posted on 02/21/2011 2:37:15 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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