Skip to comments.Somali Pirates Kill 4 Americans on Hijacked Ship
Posted on 02/22/2011 7:33:13 AM PST by Allthegoodusernamesaregone
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They are martyrs.
I wonder what happened to the Bibles they were carrying.
Leave Bambi alone - can’t you see he’s trying to eat his waffles!
In all seriousness - an RPG was fired at a US Navy warship and four American citizens were murdered. That is a direct declaration of war and the response should be swift and clear! Unfortunately, the enuch-in-chief will probably bring the pirates to the US and give them court appointed public defenders at taxpayer expense!
I have to wonder - what do you think Sarah Palin would do?
And Obama is going to do-NOTHING!
Seriously, as soon as it had been determined the hostages had been shot, every last one of the pirates should have suffered the same fate. The ghosts of Teddy Roosevelt and General "Black Jack" Pershing are rolling in their graves.
Seriously, no he wouldn't. Carter? Who actually asked the Delta Force Commander (Colonel "Chargin' Charlie" Beckwith) before the ill fated hostage rescue attempt in 1979 if there was any way for the Delta Operators to shoot the guns from the hands of the terrorists so as to avoid a loss of life among the terrorists! I read that in the late Charlie Beckwith's book on the formation of Delta Force.
The TOTUS sends his condolences to the families.
I hear them rolling in their graves too! The TOTUS sent condolences just before he bowed to the pirates.
“The TOTUS sends his condolences to the families.”
Yeah, to the families of the dead Somalians.
If they carried .50 machine guns, they could easily be detached from their mounts and stowed in an armory on board when entering port, if that was an issue. I really don't think merchant ships need big deck guns, the .50 has much longer range than a rocket propelled grenade or an AK47, which are the weapons of choice for these so called 'pirates'. As long as the merchantmen are alert at all times to incoming unidentified vessels, they could easily defend themselves with .50 M2HB's, one of the best mechanical devices ever made by John Moses Browning, who designed it back in 1918. The fact it's still in service today tells you what a remarkable machine it is, and with a maximum effective range of 1.2 miles, it would be more than a match for these dumb teenage Somali's waving their RPG's and AK's.
And notice I myself (though no Navy man) suggested 50 cal machine guns earlier in this thread.
I wasn't taking the text as fact just posting it with the link for you all to examine as I always try to do.
The specific answer I posted sounded familiar as I heard it before. There still is this problem:
“7) pirates use surprise attacks with speed boats. Often the small crews of freightors don't even know the pirates are attacking until they're already climbing on board, even before that the boats can go 35 mph, which actually makes a fairly hard target to hit.”
Granting them refuge status and a weekly check from you and me.
This has been going on since before 2005. They say there are 1000 pirates. Just how long will the world sit on their axx without doing something to put an end to this? I don't understand why every shipping nation in the world doesn't coordinate and use decoys and then squash them like roaches. Don't free them to strike again, just kill them.
BTW Some of you may accept everything that government tells you, but I'm not in that camp. So I'm not convinced that we know the real story yet if ever.
You are right, #7 is not addressed in the comment regarding 50 cal machine guns.
I don’t sail so I don’t know much about radar, and we are talking now of 2 different kinds of craft, commercial and yachting.
Thinking of commercial craft, is it unreasonable to expect the radar screen to be manned at all times? Are there automatic alarms that could be in place?
I don’t know the answer to these questions.
Here is an interesting article about this couple if it hasn’t been posted.
I was a little critical of these people for taking this risk and but I’ve since become critical of a USA and world that would allow this lawless scum to persist just like Mexican drug lords.
They need to run armed decoys (with the latest mil communications equipment and armed discreetly with mini guns and HMGs.) When they attempt to attack, then take them out without prisoners.
Just another day, during the Obama Administration.
I would guess that surface ships commercial radars would have trouble picking up small boat craft against the water which can act as interference. But I dont have one myself, or a boat. If I had one I wouldnt be near that coast without a US military escort, at least the US Coast guard.
Obama = Epic Fail.
Our comments are more effort than this administration will put into justice.
My first instinct is why do we have any living pirates? Yes, decency and all that but how decent were they? They are not innocents.
The welfare of these thugs and murdering miscreants will cost us millions upon millions. Why? Why aren’t they just dead?
But anyway I consider this question of timeliness of attack-detection to be utterly irrelevant to the question of whether or not I should be allowed to defend myself.
You post lookouts, you do a spot-check-watch... whatever.
But if you are ARMED you have a chance. Doesn’t mean you’re 100% safe. Where are you 100% safe? Nowhere.
But you should have the RIGHT to be ARMED. Period.
Obama = Epic Fail.
Obama = Epic Traitor.
I am waiting to hear Obambi bleat about our Moslem “friends”. What a phony he is!
The original assumption was that the Federal government outlaws arming the crew, which I was suspicius of. I believe the answer at that post was that it is legal for them to either have small arms, or guns not visible mounted. It's just that the ship owners don't allow it for a variety of reasons, which may or may not be valid.
I personally wouldnt want to be in that area without professionally trained armed fighters as an escort. Life is not an action movie where the dumb blond stripper mows down the pirates with a machine gun (Under Siege (1992) ). More like she would accidently shoot the crew.
This situation reminds me of the Clinton Black Hawk Down episode. We evenually fled Somalia. This really is a US military problem.
Those folks who keep voting for the liberals are merely tools of the liberals and their strangle hold on public education. They inseminate (and yes, that is exactly the word I mean) their views of liberal group-think and the distinct lack of any sort of absolute morality into the minds of our children so that by the time these kids finish (or are finished BY) college; liberalism is ingrained into their very nature. It's a massive setup by the father of Lies that began in the late 1950s and we never saw it coming. Now it is paying off in hugely Satanic dividends. As generation after generation is more and more liberally indoctrinated and those new professionals seep into the institutions that produced them (like teaching) it becomes a self generating machine. Don't worry, the end is almost in sight. RAPTURE READY?
Two words on how the Navy should handle this in the future: “Rule 303.”
ma duce and tracers, along with being aware of yer surroundings while in 'indian' country would make the pirates think twice...
its my understanding that the biggest prob is the various gun laws in differing countries, and many/most wouldnt allow even stowed/locked guns in their waters, much less in port, with penalties that make NYC look like candyland for any offense...
kinda screwed unless yer willin to toss yer weapons overboard everytime time ya make port...
Is that Vattel’s Law of Nations?
This is one of those problems where you have to be suspicious over the ‘easy solution just not being taken’. Clearly this is a difficult one.
I remember my neighbors (and FNC BoR) telling me years ago that ethanol and windmills would make us energy independent. Try putting that windmill on a jet-liner.
yesSir, long before i was born, it was a done deal that Id be brainwashed in the trough of collectivism...thankfully the Lord uses all that darkness to emphasize His Light...
as far as hidin a few weapons, sure its do-able, but man ifn ya get caught ,yer screwed, and the U.S. has more or less agreed to let ya twist in the breeze according to international 'law' rather than telling the collective 'world' to bite us...
THAT is the pity...and i dont know what kinda range these goons have, but it seems that sailing around their reach is more difficult than taking yer chances sailin thru em, at least til, like on the hi-way, yer number gets called to be pulled over...
Even Carter didn't get the hostages killed.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! All those assets and the "negotiations" end with all four murdered?
Is it possible that the pirates would stop if Obama publicly apologized for some past grievance on our part? Maybe they just dont understand that with Obama as president we ALL are citizens of the world now. Maybe some sort of sensitivity training would help. Or he could tax the merchant ships to pay off the pirates like we do with criminals in the US Cities. Good old fashioned redistribution can fix anything.
There must be a misunderstanding here. All people are good, except maybe racists/sexist/homophobes like conservatives, Christians, white males and Tea party protesters, ...and CEOs, unless they own green companies like Gore.
See how easy it is ?? :)
well if we’re ‘spittin’ in a hand, THAT could take awhile...in the meantime, bambam & co. have already loaded the garden plot with wheelbarrows full of the ‘other’...8^}
This whole thing with the Somali pirates is insane. We could take out their installation and most of them with just a few little missiles.
I still like the idea of Extreme Reality Cruises. I know it’s an idle daydream, but no more so, at this point in our history, than dreaming of a US President willing to take a stand against US enemies.
there should have been no survivors among the pirates
I thought it was interesting when the PRChinese navy ships started patrolling those waters looking for pirates. They are a world player now and consider their economic interests first. They know how to do business unlike SOME countries, ironic given PRC past.
“...summarily executing them and documenting it and publicizing it...”
Interesting...hanging them on deck, videotaped, with a sign strapped to their chest “PIRATE”, then literally throwing them overboard to the waiting Tigers, Makos, and Hammerheads swimming below (after suitably chumming the water).
Then posting it on Youtube...sorta like those animals did to Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl.
But do all this AFTER a summary trial so it’s “fair and balanced” for the media assjackets...
I like it!!
And for the record brother Hiredhand, I WOULD want to see you run for President, with good buddy Squantos as VP!!!!!!! I’ll be yer damned Campaign Manager (as long as I get the Secretary of Defense job after the win), and ol’ Gilbo can be our Media Consultant (and then UN Ambassador)!!!!
Heheheh...One HELL of a campaign, I’d say!!!
Since you bring up the PRC I have to change the subject enough to wonder out loud who are the more evil villains, the Somali Pirates, the PRC commercial operations in Africa that use slave labor, or the African countries that allow the PRC to operate their slave-labor enterprises.
I’ll be as happy as the next guy if the PRC massacres a few tens or few hundred or few thousand pirates... but I’ll also always remember that the PRC has many thousands of Africans in chains on the African continent. They are not good people.
Hey, I’ll vote for that ticket. Though I don’t like the idea of hanging the pirates before throwing them to the sharks. That’s veering dangerously close to soft-on-crime.
The US should set the standard and allow commercial shipping with militia type weapons on board, even small cannon -- 30 mm.
UN ambassador ??? hell talk about easy money for no work, after we nuke em outta NYC anyways 8^}...
“...hanging the pirates before throwing them to the sharks...”
Well, there’s something MORE gruesome about seeing a lifeless, flopping, linp body thrown overboard like just so much trash, to waiting eating machines below.
Throwing them ALIVE to the sharks is sorta barbaric...that’s something THEY’D do, and we’re not them, ya know?
And besides...the Mooj have this thing about hanging...it bugs the sh*t outta them for some reason...”common criminal” deal or something insulting.
But it’s all just pissing in the wind right now. We’ve got no one with any balls in command positions to take these kinds of actions to make a statement to these animals.
We have a Feckless Douchebag sockpuppet running around apologizing for us instead.
I’d rather run the Christians in action....
I’ll vote for you! I promise! I WANT that SecDef job!!!
OH-OH, I was thinking those PRC bastards were smart for taking care of themselves first. Maybe not the ideal model for us, but certainly a contrast to a certain country that appears to have it’s head.....
Heck, we go into Somalia on a humanitarian mission and get out butts kicked by a few lowlifes, and they (PRC) are in Africa buying off the leaders, taking over the country and using the people as servants getting $$$ for it.
But then again Cartman was always my favorite South Park character.