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To: CanaGuy

These people were not in Somali waters or even that near to them. The pirates have captured ships and crews simply going about their business of shipping goods. This must be stopped...unless you’re willing to simply hand over a large swath of the seas to Muslim control and pay the price, not only in the lives of sailors of those seas, but in economic terms.

A surcharge that will have to be added to shipped goods and commodities to compensate for raids where the pirates collect as much as $9,000,000 in ransom per ship and are now estimated to have killed numerous crews and collected some $300,000,000 in ransom of people and cargos. They have also started capturing oil tankers and now apparently are considering reselling the oil to other terrorist states.

Before you start blaming the victim, think about the total picture.

And it is heartbreaking. We don’t need any “no-go” places in this day and age, but unfortunately the US and other countries didn’t step in to stop this when it got started and now it’s only extending itself further every day.


49 posted on 02/22/2011 8:34:33 AM PST by livius
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To: livius
They had to sail by Somalia and they knew it. I thought it was obvious I was talking about civilians....and stupid ones.

Pirates vs. international shipping is another story. The problem is with international laws of the sea and the agreements signed. Commercial ships cannot be armed, or fight their way out of bad situations, nor enter ports armed. So, we're hamstrung. We need to dissolve those agreements and train crews to use a stinger missile or two on these idiots. What's the cost of that, versus loss of entire cargo and ship?

We need to get a clunky old freighter, fill it with Marines, weapons, and electronics.....and troll around for a while wiping them out. Make a great movie....Company "X" get's fed up losing ships, outfits a tramp steamer, kicks butt. I'd pay to see THAT movie.

60 posted on 02/22/2011 8:57:09 AM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper! We still love you!)
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To: livius
Excellent post#49, livius.
63 posted on 02/22/2011 9:00:29 AM PST by samtheman
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To: livius

A surcharge that will have to be added to shipped goods and commodities to compensate for raids where the pirates collect as much as $9,000,000 in ransom per ship and are now estimated to have killed numerous crews and collected some $300,000,000 in ransom of people and cargos. They have also started capturing oil tankers and now apparently are considering reselling the oil to other terrorist states.

Before you start blaming the victim, think about the total picture.

And it is heartbreaking. We don’t need any “no-go” places in this day and age, but unfortunately the US and other countries didn’t step in to stop this when it got started and now it’s only extending itself further every day.
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We already pay a surcharge and it is called our taxes. I am tired of paying for the protection of multinationals who have left our country to put jobs in the hands of other peoples. And then want us to pay the premium of taxes so they can make monies anywhere. Let them pay for their own d.....d protection!

We have always had NO-GO places, like innercities of many American cities, and many highways and byways throughout the world. The world is and always has been a dangerous place.

It is their waters let them deal as they want. Lawless areas get poorer and poorer.


79 posted on 02/22/2011 9:17:18 AM PST by Chickensoup (“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face — forever.” Orwell)
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To: livius
These people were not in Somali waters or even that near to them. The pirates have captured ships and crews simply going about their business of shipping goods.

This has been going on since before 2005. They say there are 1000 pirates. Just how long will the world sit on their axx without doing something to put an end to this? I don't understand why every shipping nation in the world doesn't coordinate and use decoys and then squash them like roaches. Don't free them to strike again, just kill them.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

BTW Some of you may accept everything that government tells you, but I'm not in that camp. So I'm not convinced that we know the real story yet if ever.

112 posted on 02/22/2011 11:07:46 AM PST by apoliticalone (US conservatism does not equal multi-national corporatism)
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