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No Charges For Sheriff Deputy in Son's Death (LEO double standard)
WKRC ^ | 2/16 5:40 pm | WKRC

Posted on 02/22/2011 9:01:22 AM PST by TSgt

The Franklin County Prosecuting Attorney says no charges will be filed against a sheriff deputy whose son died while playing with a gun. Four year old Aiden Mehlbauer was hit with a bullet in the stomach and died last Wednesday.

Police say Aiden Mehlbauer and his twin brother, Mason were in the basement of their home playing around 4 p.m. that afternoon. Their mother told investigators she was upstairs helping her six year old daughter with her homework. The boys were apparently in an office area currently under construction in which the boys' father, Greg Mehlbauer, a Franklin County Sheriff's deputy has stored his uniforms and other law enforcement equipment.

In that area, State Police say the twins located a loaded .40 caliber Glock semi automatic handgun. The boys were handling the gun when it discharged, striking Aiden in the abdomen.

Aiden was taken by Air Care helicopter to Cincinnati Children's Hospital where he died several hours later.

Deputy Mehlbauer was at work at the time of the shooting. He has been a Franklin County Sheriff Deputy for the past 10 years.

The Indiana State Police handled the investigation. Today, in a release to the media, the prosecuting attorney, Mel Wilhelm, said his office "has carefully reviewed the state police reports and has spoken at length with investigators concerning their findings and feels the circumstances surrounding this incident do not meet the elements of a crime under the Indiana Code."


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I'm so sick of the legal double standard for cops!

Related cases where the, non-cop, parents were charged:

Father charged in daughter's accidental shooting death http://www.wthr.com/story/8285603/father-charged-in-daughters-accidental-shooting-death?redirected=true

Father Charged In Son's Accidental Shooting Death http://www.wlwt.com/news/20239336/detail.html

Father charged in 3-year-old son's accidental shooting http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_north_pinellas/clearwater/father-charged-in-3-year-old-son%27s-accidental-shooting

Antioch father charged in toddler's accidental killing http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_17285062?nclick_check=1

Father charged in accidental shooting of 20-month-old http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/7628666/

1 posted on 02/22/2011 9:01:25 AM PST by TSgt
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To: TSgt

We can’t poosibly ALL be expected to follow the same rules.(sarc)


2 posted on 02/22/2011 9:05:53 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: TSgt
This incident is local to me.

And I agree the double standard is repulsive and un-American.

But you didn't really expect a law enforcer to be charged in any innocent's death,did you?

Funny how all the people crying "the family will be punished enough by the child's death" don't have the same view if Joe Sixpack's kid dies!

3 posted on 02/22/2011 9:10:01 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham

I am STUNNED by the egregiousness of this double standard! It is REPELLENT!


4 posted on 02/22/2011 9:12:03 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: TSgt

You didn’t get the memo? It is LE’s job to enforce the law, but not necessarily obey the law.

It is your job to obey the law, and pay all associated costs, benefits, and pensions at 20 years.

In reality why aren’t the standards for LE and other public servants much more stringent and higher than average citizens who pay the freight?


5 posted on 02/22/2011 9:14:44 AM PST by apoliticalone (US conservatism does not equal multi-national corporatism)
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To: 2harddrive; TSgt; WOBBLY BOB

don’t you know that we are ALL equal.... just some of us are more equal than others.


6 posted on 02/22/2011 9:15:08 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: TSgt

This is one of the purposes of a jury of peers.


7 posted on 02/22/2011 9:17:41 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: TSgt

don’t look now,,, but clearwater and cincinnati are in different states. And as for the infantile desire to criminalize every tragic accident,, grow up. Cop or not,,, some parents should be prosecuted,, such as the ones who were drunk, were engaged in horseplay, etc. But everytime a kid does this,,, the answer isn’t always a parent rotting in prison. The guy has another kid,,, its senseless to compound the tragedy to placate the self righteous.
For most of this country’s history,,, people knew these events were properly viewed as accidents. You very rarely hear of repeat offenders after such a tragedy. They’ll suffer more than enough if that helps you feel better.


8 posted on 02/22/2011 9:27:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Don’t look now, but I see a pattern here:

UPDATE: 2-year-old shot herself with reserve deputy’s gun (INDIANA DEPUTY - NOT CHARGED)
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2009/apr/21/crawford-county-toddler-found-dead-apparent-gunsho/

Ft. Wayne mother charged after her 2-year-old son shot his 1-year old brother (INDIANA MOTHER - CHARGED)
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20091018/LOCAL07/310189904/-1/local11
A Fort Wayne mother who was charged with neglect of a dependent after her 2-year-old son shot his 1-year-old brother in the face with a gun. That toddler suffered serious injuries but survived. The mother told police she had the gun at her home for safety purposes.


9 posted on 02/22/2011 9:29:20 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: TSgt

Typical LEO idiot.


10 posted on 02/22/2011 9:31:47 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: TSgt

HE was at work at the time of the shooting.

SHE was at home. Why hasn’t she been charged?


11 posted on 02/22/2011 9:41:50 AM PST by Freddd
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To: DesertRhino
I don't think the desire is so much to see the cop punished as it is to see other people in like circumstances being cut the same break as the cop.

That being said, my personal opinion is that firearms "accidents" in the strictest sense are extremely rare...there is usually some element of negligence and some abandonment of common sense in virtually every so-called "accident."

Sure there are times when a weapon mechanically fails, an improperly manufactured round detonates in the chamber, or a freak ricochet results in an injury on even a well layed out and proofed range. Such incidents do happen but are rare. If people treated every firearm as though it were loaded (i.e. don't leave them where children have access to them), kept the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, kept their fingers off the trigger until they were ready to shoot, and were certain of their target and what was behind it, probably 99% of all firearm "accidents" would be eliminated.

12 posted on 02/22/2011 9:42:03 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: TSgt

different facts, different DA’s different outcomes,,, AMAZING. But I’m sure they got a memo from black helicopter HQ to not prosecute the cop. As for your anecdotal ‘evidence’,,, I could flood a page with things cops are prosecuted for that we usually aren’t. The fact remains that there is a devastated family here,,, and whether they are a cop or a banker, barring any unusually negligent behavior, prosecution here seems pointless.


13 posted on 02/22/2011 9:42:14 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Denial of the double standard doesn't do anything but reveal the bootlickers!

Negligence on the part of the parents is obvious by the fact the child is dead.The parents should be dealt with regardless of their occupations.

The usual police response is confiscation of all firearms in the home and self-righteous lectures to the public on "the dangers of firearms in the home';but if it happens in a cop's home..........(crickets)

14 posted on 02/22/2011 9:50:12 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: DesertRhino

“..and whether they are a cop or a banker, barring any unusually negligent behavior, prosecution here seems pointless.”

Please allow me to expand upon the above well thought out phrase.

The state has no right ti intervene after a child dies in such cases because they do not own the child. The parent has created and raised the child - not Da Gooberment.

Neither did “the Village” raise the child, despite whatever the HillaBeast says.

If you don’t own it, you can’t control it.

Tragedies occur. Evil does exist and sometimes the innocent die.

But - to allow government outside of the carefully crafted bounds created in the Constitution is to invite the heavy jackboots of government into the family.

America tried it and all we got for it is a ‘swarm of officers’ and bills beyond calculation without exponential numbers.

Better by far that an occasional child dies than the family become subordinate to the government.


15 posted on 02/22/2011 9:51:14 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I don't think the desire is so much to see the cop punished as it is to see other people in like circumstances being cut the same break as the cop.

I agree. The point that get's most people upset is not that the deputy won't be charged, it is the double standard that the DA used, and where the public has generally been charged. When a family member is killed in a preventable accident the family will forever pay a huge price. I'm not usually in favor of compounding it.

Yes in many cases there should be a double standard. When a sworn public official is corrupt or commits crimes, or falsely gathers evidence or gets bribed, I'm in favor sending them away for a very very long time breaking big rocks into little pebbles with loss of all pensions and no chance of parole.

16 posted on 02/22/2011 9:57:59 AM PST by apoliticalone (US conservatism does not equal multi-national corporatism)
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To: All

It would be interesting to find a compilation of some of the stats behind on charged vs. uncharged. Just playing devil’s advocate, I Googled “no charges, child shooting” and found these on the first page:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread592498/pg1
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/115814/No-charges-will-be-filed-in-Pa—child-shooting.html?isap=1&nav=757
http://www.wbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=11799263
http://www.jdnews.com/articles/beaufort-80272-charges-child.html

I was raised in a family of hunters. It would have been more unusual for my parents to lock a gun up than to leave it on a table, in a drawer, or propped in a corner. But we were all taught to NEVER touch one unless given permission.

That said, if one of us had disobeyed and the unthinkable happened, my parents would have considered that worse than any punishment the law might have decided to dish out. I’m sure most parents - cops or civilian - would feel the same way.


17 posted on 02/22/2011 10:21:03 AM PST by Reese Hamm
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To: apoliticalone

Exactly. A far as a double standard,,, has this DA prosecuted someone is similar circumstances who was not a cop? A far as bribery, etc,, you are dead on.


18 posted on 02/22/2011 10:22:48 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: apoliticalone

They should be equal if not more stringent. Right now it seems like they are using the resident Soetoro rules - do what you want.
Apologies to the good LEOs I’ve met and worked with.


19 posted on 02/22/2011 10:25:26 AM PST by mcshot (So this is how it feels to be flushed. The "that's impossible" days are upon us.)
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To: TSgt

You don’t know the facts here. You don’t know what sort of actus rea and mens rea the prosecutor had to prove. Moreover, there are many occasions when non-leos are not charged in cases like this. The prosecutor sometimes decides that the parent has suffered enough. LEO or not.

I find it hilarious that you are taking this tantrum when you know nothing about the details of the case.

How are you different from any liberal? You seem to want the law applied a certain way because of who it is going to be applied against. Facts mean nothing apparently.


20 posted on 02/22/2011 10:31:12 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: 2harddrive
ANYONE who keeps a loaded pistol in a home and does not keep it in a safe or use a trigger lock when the weapon is not under their control is guilty of premeditated murder if the weapon discharges and kills someone. That's my take. This cop is a moron who isn't responsible enough to own a slingshot let alone a firearm.

The fact that there were small children in the house and he stored ANY firearm in this fashion is unbelievable, unconscionable and unforgivable. I hope his family is able to forgive him taking the life of his son.

21 posted on 02/22/2011 10:56:14 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: freedomwarrior998; TSgt
And a correlation with "LEO/Non-LEO" doesn't necessarily mean a corruption problem, either. For example, it could be that LEOs tend to protect their firearms better than those who aren't--so when there is an accident, it might typically be less negligent in the case of LEOs.


That being said, it would be interesting to see if the state laws are being applied differently based on location (i.e., which DA is it?) and whether the person is an LEO.

22 posted on 02/22/2011 10:58:31 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Yeah, I am unable to read the facts via multiple media outlets and make any logical judgments.

Only the DA has the power to understand logic.

Me 2+2=5
DA 2+2=4

FU


23 posted on 02/22/2011 11:05:09 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: freedomwarrior998

Your good friend, the prosecutor, is more interested in cases with dead cows:

Mistrial in “Dead Cows” trial
http://www.libertyherald.net/articles/2007/05/01/democrat/news/news01.txt
“I admonished the witnesses that they could not comment on cattle being out in the past, but we had to show that the defendant knew that the cattle were out. It was a tough thing to prove that [Wollyung] had knowledge of that without talking about the cows being out,” Franklin County Prosecuting Attorney Melvin Wilhelm said.

Laws are for us little people...


24 posted on 02/22/2011 11:13:11 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: DesertRhino; TSgt
People like you, and there are several on this thread, seem to have the idea that people want to jail this cop for the accident, when what they are complaining about is the fact that the average parent IS jailed for these types of accidents but this cop wasn't even charged, and anyone with half a brain knows that it is simply because he is a cop the he wasn't charged.

People don't want to see others jailed for accidents, they do want to see equal treatment under the law as the constitution calls for, NOT a huge double standard such as exists in this country now.

25 posted on 02/22/2011 11:13:33 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

Spot-on!

I do NOT want to see the father jailed, though most parents in situations like this are arrested and charged.

All I’m asking for is equal treatment under the law. I’ve given two examples in Indiana where the outcome was different depending on whether or not the person was a member of law enforcement.

No punishment could ever be worse than what the father has to live with the rest of his life.

I’m sick of the double standard!


26 posted on 02/22/2011 11:19:55 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: TSgt

The media doesn’t report the facts. The media spins. The media prints sound-bytes. The media doesn’t print legal facts. You have no clue as to the intricate facts of the case, which could completely change the situation at hand.

Your hatred blinds you.


27 posted on 02/22/2011 11:21:09 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: TSgt
The four year olds weren’t handling a Glock,They were handling their father's “law enforcement equipment.”
28 posted on 02/22/2011 11:24:07 AM PST by 4yearlurker (I can't afford anymore hope and change!!!!)
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To: GladesGuru
Please allow me to expand upon the above well thought out phrase. The state has no right ti intervene after a child dies in such cases because they do not own the child. The parent has created and raised the child - not Da Gooberment.

Following your logic the parents can abort the child because they 'own' it?

29 posted on 02/22/2011 11:25:25 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: TSgt
Today, in a release to the media, the prosecuting attorney, Mel Wilhelm, said his office "has carefully reviewed the state police reports and has spoken at length with investigators concerning their findings and feels the circumstances surrounding this incident do not meet the elements of a crime under the Indiana Code."

IC 35-47-10-7

Permitting child to possess a firearm

Sec. 7. A child's parent or legal guardian who knowingly, intentionally, or recklessly permits the child to possess a firearm:

(1) while:

(A) aware of a substantial risk that the child will use the firearm to commit a felony; and
(B) failing to make reasonable efforts to prevent the use of a firearm by the child to commit a felony; or

(2) when the child has been convicted of a crime of violence or has been adjudicated as a juvenile for an offense that would constitute a crime of violence if the child were an adult; commits dangerous control of a child, a Class C felony. However, the offense is a Class B felony if the child's parent or legal guardian has a prior conviction under this section.

So, since you know all the facts, explain how exactly this meets the elements of the above offense?

30 posted on 02/22/2011 11:31:46 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: TSgt

IC 35-46-1-4
Neglect of a dependent; child selling
Sec. 4. (a) A person having the care of a dependent, whether assumed voluntarily or because of a legal obligation, who knowingly or intentionally:
(1) places the dependent in a situation that endangers the dependent’s life or health;
(2) abandons or cruelly confines the dependent;
(3) deprives the dependent of necessary support; or
(4) deprives the dependent of education as required by law;
commits neglect of a dependent, a Class D felony.
(b) However, the offense is:
(1) a Class C felony if it is committed under subsection (a)(1), (a)(2), or (a)(3) and:
(A) results in bodily injury; or
(B) is:
(i) committed in a location where a person is violating IC 35-48-4-1 (delivery, financing, or manufacture of cocaine, methamphetamine, or a narcotic drug); or
(ii) the result of a violation of IC 35-48-4-1 (delivery, financing, or manufacture of cocaine, methamphetamine, or a narcotic drug);
(2) a Class B felony if it is committed under subsection (a)(1), (a)(2), or (a)(3) and results in serious bodily injury;
(3) a Class A felony if it is committed under subsection (a)(1), (a)(2), or (a)(3) by a person at least eighteen (18) years of age and results in the death of a dependent who is less than fourteen (14) years of age; and
(4) a Class C felony if it is committed under subsection (a)(2) and consists of cruel confinement or abandonment that:
(A) deprives a dependent of necessary food, water, or sanitary facilities;
(B) consists of confinement in an area not intended for human habitation; or
(C) involves the unlawful use of handcuffs, a rope, a cord, tape, or a similar device to physically restrain a dependent.
(c) It is a defense to a prosecution based on an alleged act under this section that:
(1) the accused person left a dependent child who was, at the time the alleged act occurred, not more than thirty (30) days of age with an emergency medical provider who took custody of the child under IC 31-34-2.5 when:
(A) the prosecution is based solely on the alleged act of

leaving the child with the emergency medical services provider; and
(B) the alleged act did not result in bodily injury or serious bodily injury to the child; or
(2) the accused person, in the legitimate practice of the accused person’s religious belief, provided treatment by spiritual means through prayer, in lieu of medical care, to the accused person’s dependent.
(d) Except for property transferred or received:
(1) under a court order made in connection with a proceeding under IC 31-15, IC 31-16, IC 31-17, or IC 31-35 (or IC 31-1-11.5 or IC 31-6-5 before their repeal); or
(2) under IC 35-46-1-9(b);
a person who transfers or receives any property in consideration for the termination of the care, custody, or control of a person’s dependent child commits child selling, a Class D felony.
As added by Acts 1976, P.L.148, SEC.6. Amended by Acts 1977, P.L.340, SEC.87; Acts 1978, P.L.144, SEC.8; Acts 1980, P.L.208, SEC.1; Acts 1981, P.L.299, SEC.2; Acts 1981, P.L.301, SEC.3; P.L.1-1997, SEC.151; P.L.197-1999, SEC.6; P.L.133-2000, SEC.10; P.L.46-2004, SEC.1; P.L.26-2006, SEC.2; P.L.15-2007, SEC.1; P.L.109-2007, SEC.1.

Notice the “knowing” or “intentionally” Mens Rea required, then learn the requirements of those provisions.


31 posted on 02/22/2011 11:36:14 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Fantastic!

How do your reconcile the fact that other parents in similar situations were charged?

Also, do you sleep in your SWAT gear to feel like a real man?


32 posted on 02/22/2011 11:49:57 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: freedomwarrior998

10 years in prison for this guy but the cop walks...

Father Sentenced In Son’s Shooting Of 4-Year-Old Sister
Police: Then-5-Year-Old Boy Shot, Killed Sister
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/19263362/detail.html
INDIANAPOLIS — The father of a young boy who police said shot and killed his 4-year-old sister with a gun he found in the family’s home was sentenced Thursday.

James Booher, 27, pleaded guilty to one count of felony neglect of a dependent and was sentenced to 10 years in prison, with two years suspended, 6News’ Derrik Thomas reported.

“When there are children present that you have responsibility for keeping safe, you have an obligation to make sure they are kept safe from something so deadly,” Marion County Deputy Prosecutor Barb Crawford said outside court Thursday.

Except if you’re a cop...


33 posted on 02/22/2011 12:24:16 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: freedomwarrior998; DesertRhino

Laws for thee but not for me...

Mom arrested for neglect in BB gun shooting
by Lindsey Ziliak
http://pharostribune.com/local/x1894460738/Mom-arrested-for-BB-gun-shooting
A Logansport woman was arrested Tuesday on a neglect charge after her 3-year-old son seriously injured a 6-year-old with a BB gun last week.

Rebecca Anderson, 32, turned herself into police just before noon today and is being charged with neglect of dependent resulting in injury, a class C felony.

Last Wednesday 6-year-old Ariana Roman suffered a skull fracture during an overnight stay at a friend’s house. The friend’s 3-year-old brother had retrieved a BB gun from a closet shelf and shot the girl in the left side of the head.

Detective Brad Miller of the Logansport Police Department said Anderson was the adult in the house at the time of the incident and was responsible for the care of the children.

According to police reports, Anderson “left access to a BB gun in an unlocked closet which was accessible by her 3-year-old son.”

Miller said the gun was fired at close range and left the victim seriously injured.

Ariana was released from the hospital Monday and is at home recovering.

“She can talk some, and she can color now,” Miller said.

Ariana’s mother, Robin Prince, told Miller that her daughter lost 40 percent of her speech as a result of the accident. Doctors say it could take two to five years to recover through therapy.

The 6-year-old also has nerve damage and can’t hear out of her right ear.

Prince told police last week that the force of the blow to her daughter’s head caused a skull fracture that severed an artery in Ariana’s brain. The child had to have surgery to remove a blood clot from her brain.

As Anderson turned herself in to police, Miller said she told him the whole situation was an accident, but she understands that someone has to be held accountable.

She is being held in the Cass County Jail on a $2,000 cash bond or $10,000 surety.


34 posted on 02/22/2011 12:30:05 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: TSgt

I see you are unable to answer the questions... Again, how does this situation match with the elements of the offenses I outlined for you?

Be specific in regards to the Mens Rea requirement.


35 posted on 02/22/2011 12:45:03 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Your deflection is noted.

I’ve provided several similar examples where the parents were charged. You choose to selectively ignore them.

Do you wear your boots to the grocery store?


36 posted on 02/22/2011 1:23:51 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: TSgt

Actually, you were the one deflecting. I asked you to point out how this incident met the elements of the Indiana Criminal Code. You responded by posting a bunch of irrelevant stories.

The only relevant response that you can make, is to point out the specific facts (which you claim to know) that show that THIS CASE meets the elements of the code.

And you need to be specific in regards to the Mens Rea.

So far, you have been unable to do so... and you have done nothing but respond with Ad Hominem tactics and deflection.

So again... How does this incident meet the elements of the offenses that I posted? Be specific.


37 posted on 02/22/2011 2:17:12 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: TSgt

http://www.fox41.com/story/12143753/no-charges-in-bb-gun-death?clienttype=printable

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/22235273/detail.html

http://www.wlfi.com/dpp/news/crime/no-criminal-charges-in-lafayette-child-drowning

http://www.witn.com/carteretcounty/headlines/98050104.html

http://www.dailylocal.com/articles/2010/08/17/news/police/doc4c6a7d999c0ee553910334.txt?viewmode=2

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=12&articleid=20081230_12_0_CHANDL569100&allcom=1

EPIC FAILURE.


38 posted on 02/22/2011 2:27:03 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Your reply contains incidents from Oklahoma to the Carolinas. Different state laws.

I posted specific cases from Indiana under Indiana law where the parents were charged.

Who failed now?

Do you sleep with your handcuffs? Does the badge make you feel powerful? I bet you stand in front of your mirror wearing your gun belt admiring all your power.


39 posted on 02/22/2011 2:54:35 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: TSgt
Your reply contains incidents from Oklahoma to the Carolinas. Different state laws.

You didn't see the ones from Indiana? And NC's safe storage laws are TOUGHER than Indiana's.

I posted specific cases from Indiana under Indiana law where the parents were charged.

Uh huh... and I cited specific cases from Indiana where parents were not charged. What you refuse to (or cannot) do, is to explain how THIS INCIDENT meets the elements of the offense, while being specific with Mens Rea.

You can't do it.

Who failed now?

You.

Do you sleep with your handcuffs? Does the badge make you feel powerful? I bet you stand in front of your mirror wearing your gun belt admiring all your power.

YAWN... Ad Hominem again.

40 posted on 02/22/2011 3:05:45 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
freedomwarrior998

41 posted on 02/22/2011 3:32:38 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: SeeSac

The short answer is: Yes.

The full answer is: When a mother-to- be has no job, no husband, and no way to provide for the child-to-be, only the uncaring would demand that the state force the birth of a child which can’t be cared for, by an unwilling mother, who will be without family or husband.


42 posted on 02/22/2011 4:45:02 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: SeeSac

Addendum to my last post to you.

The government must not be allowed to subsidize the production of ‘bachelor’s children’ by taxing others to support the reproduction of teh irresponsible, the incompetent, the un-acculturated, the illegal aliens, ad nauseam.

Oh, don’t forget OctoMom and the fearlessly fecund followers of MadMo.


43 posted on 02/22/2011 4:47:42 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru
When a mother-to-

I didn't say "-to-be".

44 posted on 02/22/2011 5:10:58 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: TSgt

YAWN, more deflecting and Ad Hominem.

Still can’t answer how the incident meets the elements of the Statute. You do realize that people can see through your charade.

However, libertines never let facts get in the way of their agenda. So drive on.


45 posted on 02/22/2011 5:13:41 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

I have the support of other FReepers on this thread.

I have proved my point with facts.

Jack Booted Thugs like you will always be a minority on FR.

Now go write someone a ticket for a mile over the speed limit like a good state thug.


46 posted on 02/22/2011 5:16:44 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: TSgt
Also, do you sleep in your SWAT gear to feel like a real man?

No, he has wall posters of other guys in their SWAT gear.

47 posted on 02/22/2011 5:27:39 PM PST by TankerKC (Confucius say, he who rushes to vote on bill before reading, might forget severability clause.)
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To: SeeSac

“When a mother-to-

I didn’t say “-to-be”.”

Perhaps I am confused by your use of words. If the child has been delivered and is killed, wouldn’t it be infanticide, rather than abortion?


48 posted on 02/22/2011 5:27:50 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru
Perhaps I am confused by your use of words. If the child has been delivered and is killed, wouldn’t it be infanticide, rather than abortion?

Let me repost your words. The govn't does not own the child so the state has no right to intervene in a childs death.

The state has no right to intervene after a child dies in such cases because they do not own the child.

49 posted on 02/22/2011 5:40:49 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: TSgt

Elements... Please point out specifically how this incident meets the elements of the offense as defined in the Statute. You can post all the other examples that you want (forget for a second that I posted contrary examples), but they are irrelevant to this case. If you want to have a shot at being coherent, you need to point out SPECIFICALLY the facts that show that in this particular case, the elements of the offense were met, with the standard of criminal culpability required.

Still waiting. Your inability speaks volumes.

As for the rest of your Ad Hominem... YAWN.


50 posted on 02/22/2011 6:34:26 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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