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Iranian Vessels Which Crossed Suez Canal Carry "Advanced Hezbollah Weapons" -- Israel
KUNA ^ | February 23, 2011

Posted on 02/23/2011 4:36:38 AM PST by Strategy

The two Iranian naval ships which crossed the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean Tuesday morning are carrying "advanced Hezbollah weapons," Maariv Israeli paper reported on Wednesday, citing sources.

The sources told the paper, "Estimates indicate the two ships are carrying missiles of different range, rifles, ammunition, and night-vision gear... The voyage of the two ships is an Iranian attempt to go around the arms embargo on Hezbollah."

The paper also said that it is believed the voyage is an attempt on the part of the Iranians to "test the waters" with and gauge the responses of the Egyptian Supreme Military Council and its stance towards Tehran.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: iran; islam; israel; middleeast; suezcanal
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1 posted on 02/23/2011 4:36:42 AM PST by Strategy
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To: Strategy

Then why is Israel not doing anything? We would do something if we had a President instead of a Pres__ent but unfortunately we’re kind of stuck for at least another two years.


2 posted on 02/23/2011 4:41:24 AM PST by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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To: library user
...but unfortunately we’re kind of stuck for at least another two years.

No doubt that is part of Israel's present do nothing tactics.

3 posted on 02/23/2011 4:44:07 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Strategy

If Israel has intel that shows those weapons are onboard and the Iranians try to unload them there is going to be a major confrontation! Biblical in scope I believe! Do these war ships have missle launch capabilities?


4 posted on 02/23/2011 4:44:46 AM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: library user

Sounds like a black ops, total deniability kind of thing is in order. I am sure Israel could come up with a team and a plan. Really, to let those ships through is pure national suicide.


5 posted on 02/23/2011 4:45:43 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (IF Obama is REELECTED (not an impossibility) then what'll that have said re: what America's become?)
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To: library user

We will never “vote” ourselves out of this mess......We will have to take our country back by force....


6 posted on 02/23/2011 4:49:35 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: library user

Throwing gasoline on the fire that is the ME; probably not a good idea right this moment. Being seen throwing gasoline on said fire: very bad idea. Especially if you’re Israel.


7 posted on 02/23/2011 4:53:51 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: SF_Redux

I think the last two election cycles justifys that statement


8 posted on 02/23/2011 4:54:11 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: SF_Redux

We will have to take our country back by force....

I’m afraid the mess we’re looking at has been planned for a long time and is being implemented! This is a war and the people cannot remain asleep forever. Sometime in the not to distant future someone will initiate violence that will cause the major S fan thing!


9 posted on 02/23/2011 4:56:09 AM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Two ships?? Whatever weaponry they carry, when the sh*t really hits the fan, can be neutralized in two seconds flat. So can Tehran and/or the whole Obama presence in the ME, and the Egyptian army and a good chunk of the population.


10 posted on 02/23/2011 4:57:17 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Strategy

“...the voyage is an attempt on the part of the Iranians to “test the waters”...”

Push “O” to the wall, more like!!! There’s blood in the water and these Iranians know it.

More ‘hope and change’ for America.

Unfortunately, it is actually more danger, violence, oppression, destruction and death to the weak and vulnerable people everywhere who are used to the mediating influence of a strong US.

By now “O’s” name ought to be anathema to our allies!


11 posted on 02/23/2011 5:00:49 AM PST by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: timetostand

I have been thinking that Madison, WI might do that

reckon not


12 posted on 02/23/2011 5:01:51 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“Black Ops” HELL!

Let them dock and begin unloading, sink the ship, bomb the dock.


13 posted on 02/23/2011 5:02:57 AM PST by G Larry
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To: timetostand

does anyone think Rahm was elected ????


14 posted on 02/23/2011 5:03:18 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: timetostand

sub..torpedo...done...now, prove who launched the torpedoes...make all the accusations ya want, but show me the proof...


15 posted on 02/23/2011 5:12:49 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I am sure Israel could come up with a team and a plan. Really, to let those ships through is pure national suicide.

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national suicide (by doing nothing, no matter the severity of the threat) = the course set by Bibi and Barach, with a sizable portion of the Israeli population in favor.

16 posted on 02/23/2011 5:15:12 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Strategy
With all the world's attention distracted to Libya it would be the best time for Israel to “eliminate” any threats to it's existence.
17 posted on 02/23/2011 5:15:50 AM PST by McGruff (If you tell a lie enough times some people will come to believe it.)
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To: SF_Redux
..does anyone think Rahm was elected?

Everyone knows he was selected. It's the Chicago way.

18 posted on 02/23/2011 5:16:50 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: Strategy

One warship and one resupply ship is what I heard. Wouldn’t it be very interesting if the beat up old supply ship magically had a magnetic mine explode on its hull while passing close to Israel?

If anything happened to that ship obviously Israel will be blamed by the whole Muslim world no matter what the facts are. If they believe that Israel is putting spy gear on vultures how hard of a sell would a sunk ship be for them?

The big question is would Iran plant a bomb on the hull and lose a few martyrs to inflame everyone against Israel? (rhetorical question it seems)


19 posted on 02/23/2011 5:16:59 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: timetostand

Hurry up ! I’m not getting any younger !


20 posted on 02/23/2011 5:20:28 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Abathar
I have wondered if Iran would sink its own ship in an effort to blame Israel. I think it's possible.

Forensic evidence afterwards could implicate the Iranians but I think we now live in a world where people wouldn't care/wouldn't believe it. We've seen the old "spark in the central fuel tank" thing before and people don't necessarily believe it. If the Iranian ship goes down, the world will blame the Jews for the unprovoked attack.

With all the instability in the Arab world, I think some folks would see this as an opportunity to unite against a traditional enemy.

21 posted on 02/23/2011 5:22:01 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: library user

Israel is in one tough spot right now.

Iran is provoking them. The middle east is in a rabid fury and any act of aggession by Israel would be enough to turn the frenzied masses on their favourite enemy. Add to that the lack of support by their long time friend and supporter, America, and they are in a dangerous state.


22 posted on 02/23/2011 5:27:25 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: Strategy

I hear there are North Korean subs operating in the eastern Med. now. Hint, hint.


23 posted on 02/23/2011 5:31:57 AM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: SF_Redux
We will never “vote” ourselves out of this mess......We will have to take our country back by force....

So will you be leading the insurrection? If so, why are you waiting? If not, who are you waiting for?

24 posted on 02/23/2011 5:32:57 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: SF_Redux
does anyone think Rahm was elected ????

Actually, yes.

Chicago is infested with left-wing libs and overrun with government dependents. I have no doubt he was elected.


25 posted on 02/23/2011 5:34:22 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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To: library user

Bank on it…this ‘President’ is just the break the Iranians have been waiting for.

I would not put it past this ‘President’ to have reached some kind of tacit understanding with the Iranians in this.

“O” cut Israel for bait, and I think it won’t be long before THEY are pushed to the wall!

The wave of disorder, violence and public protest which is sweeping the ME may be only the visible part of OTHER truly seismic and dramatic changes which have been carefully planned and orchestrated.

Force of circumstance ALONE may allow (compel) Egypt and neighboring countries to accept political changes that they would otherwise have rejected.

Forcing the situation now, after painstakingly (albeit crudely) cultivating the environment compatible to the changes it wants, Iran is daily advancing to where they will face NO obstacles.

With “O” in the WH and a clueless and corrupt UN, Iran is assured no POLITICAL opposition. (By the way, ‘world opinion’ has for so long habituated itself to accepting and condoning Muslim violence, in general and Iranian belligerence in particular that losing world opinion is hardly a deterrent to Iran … though world opinion is GOSPEL to the current US administration)

The only obstacle to Iran is a MILITARY one …the Israeli military.

The “O” administration is a stain on American diplomacy which decades will not diminish.


26 posted on 02/23/2011 5:37:59 AM PST by SMARTY (Conforming to non-conformity is conforming just the same.)
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To: JudyinCanada
Iran is provoking them. The middle east is in a rabid fury and any act of aggession by Israel would be enough to turn the frenzied masses on their favourite enemy. Add to that the lack of support by their long time friend and supporter, America, and they are in a dangerous state.

Given that Iran is currently run by a bunch of islamist religious freaks who believe that some magic mahdi is sitting at the bottom of a well waiting for all-out war to set him free, you're probably right. Iran wants a war.


27 posted on 02/23/2011 5:38:26 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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To: joe fonebone
.now, prove who launched the torpedoes...

Particularly with the torpedo fragments clearly labeled "Made in China".

28 posted on 02/23/2011 5:47:02 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: freedomwarrior998

“So will you be leading the insurrection? If so, why are you waiting? If not, who are you waiting for?”

sure, you ready to follow?
pretty damn easy sitting and waiting ain’t it

I keep hoping a movement is coming and I will join it, until then I do have the sence to know one person won’t get anywhere


29 posted on 02/23/2011 5:48:14 AM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: reagan_fanatic
Iran wants a war.

When Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for hastening the return of the Mahdi, you'd be foolish not to believe that's true.

30 posted on 02/23/2011 5:48:42 AM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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31 posted on 02/23/2011 5:54:59 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: library user

Israel has several submarines.... and I have no doubt there are some dogging the ships now...


32 posted on 02/23/2011 5:58:04 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Hardraade

I was wondering if now would be the time for Israel do act against those who have been itching for it since the other nations are a little busy with internal hemorrhaging right now. A natural diversion.


33 posted on 02/23/2011 5:59:39 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Strategy
"Test the waters" my ass. These vessels, or others like them, will eventually be used to "escort" another Gaza "Mercy Flotilla", filled with weapons. The Iranians see this as a "win/win" situation: If Israel reacts to stop them, the Iranians will play the victim card. If Israel does nothing, Gaza will be restocked with weapons and personnel that will continue to attack freedom.

I say, send their Persian warships to the bottom.
34 posted on 02/23/2011 5:59:42 AM PST by Mr. Jazzy (HA! Not even Bill Maher thinks Odumbo is a Christian! HAHAHAHAHA!)
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To: SF_Redux

“I keep hoping a movement is coming and I will join it”

I know a “movement” is coming! Three cups of coffee have that effect!!


35 posted on 02/23/2011 6:00:25 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I’m certain that a gang of Somali pirates could be hired for just such an operation, if the price is right.


36 posted on 02/23/2011 6:24:40 AM PST by CholeraJoe ("And if you disagree with me, you are worse than Hitler." Greg Gutfeld)
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To: SF_Redux
does anyone think Rahm was elected ????

Have they had an HONEST election in Chicago in the past 100 years?

37 posted on 02/23/2011 6:27:58 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

Using military vessels to escort a convoy to Gaza wouldn’t work, in the “victim” sense. The waters and airspace of Gaza are still controlled by Israel and are recognized as being under their authority by the Oslo Agreements. It would be an undeniable hostile act.


38 posted on 02/23/2011 6:34:56 AM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: JudyinCanada
The middle east is in a rabid fury and any act of aggession by Israel would be enough to turn the frenzied masses on their favourite enemy.

Doesn't matter. Israel had ~400 nukes back in 2002, and it's certainly not less now - probably 600-900. That places Israel on the same order aas the "big 5" - the US, Russia, France, Britain and China. Actually, it ranks behind only the US and Russia.

Which means that Israel has long since achieved overkill. Old term, not much used anymore. But erasing every islamic filth-hole from the face of the planet is eminently doable and might even, to the more bloodthirsty among us, be great fun.

39 posted on 02/23/2011 6:40:08 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: library user

Then why is Israel not doing anything? We would do something if we had a President instead of a Pres__ent but unfortunately we’re kind of stuck for at least another two years.


It’s a circular argument—beacuse if we had a real president the Iranians wouldn’t have sent these ships through to the Med in the first place.


40 posted on 02/23/2011 6:42:34 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Hardraade

Doesn’t matter. Israel had ~400 nukes back in 2002, and it’s certainly not less now - probably 600-900. That places Israel on the same order aas the “big 5” - the US, Russia, France, Britain and China. Actually, it ranks behind only the US and Russia.

Which means that Israel has long since achieved overkill. Old term, not much used anymore. But erasing every islamic filth-hole from the face of the planet is eminently doable and might even, to the more bloodthirsty among us, be great fun.


I think a lot of them are smaller yield, tactical weapons. I don’think they have “overkill” for the entirety of the enemy base. “Overkill” is related to big strategic devices, lots of fallout, post-Apocalyptic semi-existence, early Mel Gibson movies, in short, a single warhead that can ruin your whole day.


41 posted on 02/23/2011 6:46:23 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: SF_Redux

What everyone knows but no one will say.


42 posted on 02/23/2011 7:03:34 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Strategy
We went through a detailed discussion on this topic last week. As indicated previously, the Suez Canal is protected by international treaty -- and as such, nobody (including the Egyptian government) has the authority to prevent any vessels from using it.

Kinda makes me wonder why anyone would be making a big deal out of nothing.

43 posted on 02/23/2011 7:13:34 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Strategy

You can be 100% sure that the Israelies are using the MSM and press releases to their advantage. They have gotta have the highest IQs of all the mid-east countries. Everything you hear is carefully manipulated I am sure.


44 posted on 02/23/2011 7:14:20 AM PST by George from New England (Escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: SF_Redux

You’re a fool.

You have no business talking about overthrowing the government on this site. Advocating violence is against the site rules and that is written right below the post button when you write your comment.

You’ve lost your bloody mind if you think the brain-dead hordes in Chicago weren’t hap-hap-happy to vote for Rahmbo deadfish. IT’S FREAKIN’ CHICAGO!!


45 posted on 02/23/2011 7:18:24 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: PaleoBob
I think a lot of them are smaller yield, tactical weapons. I don’think they have “overkill” for the entirety of the enemy base. “Overkill” is related to big strategic devices

Yes, they are. And a lot of them are "clean" devices with little radiation, in fact some rumours back in 2002 was that they had managed directional blasts. But that doesn't mean they haven't beefed up the armory with high-effect thermonukes for that kind of use, the probability that they have is quite large. Israeli military thinking has explored this a lot, see Samson option and Yoram Ettinger.

Overkill in the old-time, MAD context is the treshhold for eradication of humanity in total. The old MAD days had another, more interesting doctrine buried in all the stuff: personal targetting. Target the known location of a head of state with enough megatonnage to be sure to get him, if collateral is 100.000 dead or a million dead.

46 posted on 02/23/2011 7:27:58 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: PIF
“...the course set by Bibi and Barach...”

Are you sure about that? I've always regarded Netanyahu a ‘wise as a serpent’ type of leader who committed to the security of Israel.

Plus the way he was treated by Obama was inexcusable, to say the least.

47 posted on 02/23/2011 7:28:54 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Sarah Palin is America's Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Strategy

Isn’t “Advanced Hezbollah weapons” sort of an oxymoron? What are they - bigger rocks?


48 posted on 02/23/2011 7:48:29 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: Strategy

Well if that’s truly the case, then there’s NO reason not to sink them. None.


49 posted on 02/23/2011 7:51:11 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: ClearCase_guy

The Flight 800 thing continues to amaze me. Any bomb or missile that caused the explosion would have had to violate the laws of physics, but people will still tell you that the really crazy theory is that a palne with 93,000 flight hours would have a mechanical failure.


50 posted on 02/23/2011 7:52:58 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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