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Canada, U.S. agree to use each otherís troops in civil emergencies
By Ottawa Citizen ^ | February 22, 2008

Posted on 02/23/2011 5:19:41 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin

Canada and the U.S. signed an agreement that paves the way for either nation to send troops across each other’s borders during an emergency. Some question why the Harper government has kept silent on the deal.

Neither the Canadian government nor the Canadian Forces announced the new agreement, signed Feb. 14 in Texas.

The U.S. Northern Command publicized the agreement outlining how its top officer, Gen. Gene Renuart, and Canadian Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, head of Canada Command, signed the plan, which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.

The new agreement has been greeted with suspicion by the left wing in Canada and the right wing in the U.S.

The left-leaning Council of Canadians, which campaigns against what it calls the increasing integration of the U.S. and Canadian militaries, raises concerns about the deal.

“It’s kind of a trend when it comes to issues of Canada-U.S. relations and contentious issues like military integration. We see that this government is reluctant to disclose information to Canadians that is readily available on American and Mexican websites,” said Stuart Trew, a researcher with the Council of Canadians.

Trew said the agreement could militarize civilian responses to emergency incidents. Work is also underway for the two nations to put in place a joint plan to protect common infrastructure such as roadways and oil pipelines.

“Are we going to see (U.S.) troops on our soil for minor potential threats to a pipeline or a road?” he asked.

Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if posted in Canada. “We don’t know the answers because the government doesn’t want to even announce the plan,” he said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; canada; civil; cwiiping; donttreadonme; emergencies; nau; oathkeepers; obama; troops; tyranny
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1 posted on 02/23/2011 5:19:43 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This is a WTF? moment.


2 posted on 02/23/2011 5:22:46 AM PST by dforest
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Not sure I like this idea one bit!!


3 posted on 02/23/2011 5:23:22 AM PST by catman67
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Hey Canada, we need some help on our southern border, send troops, it’s for sure zero won’t send any of our own. Can you lend a hand to a neighbor?


4 posted on 02/23/2011 5:24:21 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I don’t fear Canadian soldiers but I prefer they stay on their side of the fence.


5 posted on 02/23/2011 5:24:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: catman67

I know I don’t like it. This is just wrong.


6 posted on 02/23/2011 5:25:09 AM PST by dforest
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To: DeaconBenjamin

A way around Posse Comitatus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Marine Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.


7 posted on 02/23/2011 5:25:41 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: catman67
I thoroughly dislike this idea ... both USA and Canada have large enough military establishments to send personnel into foreign war zones and natural disasters. I fail to see how either nation requires foreign military personnel to handle "emergencies".

I don't trust 0bama.

8 posted on 02/23/2011 5:27:09 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
What??? Where the heck did this come from?

Mike

9 posted on 02/23/2011 5:28:32 AM PST by MichaelP ("Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Here we go - “North American Union” - der Fuhrer Hussein 0bama Supreme Ruler


10 posted on 02/23/2011 5:28:58 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: cripplecreek
I don't think that we've got too much to worry about down the line with Canada causing any trouble here, but I can sure see how this would help the U.S. add a few new states if it ever decided that it needed them.

Still, sounds like a pretty weird set up.

11 posted on 02/23/2011 5:29:53 AM PST by skimbell
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To: broken_arrow1

i think your right, just another Obama end around play.
This way they can do things like round up guns or people without breaking US law, and later it will extend to Mexican as well as other troops.


12 posted on 02/23/2011 5:30:36 AM PST by DaiHuy (One Big Assed Mistake America)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; indylindy; catman67; Graybeard58; cripplecreek; broken_arrow1

How many FReepers have lulled themselves to sleep thinking that US soldiers would never fire on US citizens on order of a Janet Reno-like CinC?

When the shtf, they won’t be asked to. Behold the next “Elite Republican Guard” mowing down terrorists in Waco (from Canada.)


13 posted on 02/23/2011 5:30:53 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia

Please tell me this is not an opening for a US-Mexico agreement too ???


14 posted on 02/23/2011 5:30:57 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: broken_arrow1

“A way around Posse Comitatus?”

Yes!

There have been “goofy” youtube videos of foreign troops training on our soil for the last couple of years. Poo-poo-ed by most, but this appears legit. Just another nail in the house of the NWO/NAU. Welcome to the New Soviet States of North America. I’ll bet you didn’t notice did you?


15 posted on 02/23/2011 5:30:57 AM PST by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Ughh. I don’t think the idea appeals to the soldiers and civilians of either country. The ruling class seems to like the idea so much they have to keep it, but low-profile.


16 posted on 02/23/2011 5:31:09 AM PST by martian622 (The Revolution is being televised.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
One one hand cooperation makes sense but I'm worried about who defines the emergency and who has jurisdiction.

I don't mind troops lending a hand with humanitarian help during natural disasters.

When the emergency is civil unrest, I want no foreign troops involved on either side of the border.

17 posted on 02/23/2011 5:34:20 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Right....that’s the way to settle a situation down. Bring Canuckistani troops in to help. I can’t think of a better way to set off a hot revolution than to try and pull a stunt like this. Conversely, I would not want to be the poor National Guardsman who was mobilized and sent into Canuckistan to do anything.

I want to make note that right now in Libya, many of the soldiers shooting civilians are foreign troops and mercenaries that Kernel Kadaffy has imported for just such an emergency.

This is beyond outrageous and people in both Nations ought to be raising hell about it.


18 posted on 02/23/2011 5:35:05 AM PST by Bean Counter (You)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
It's a lot easier for any foreign soldier to fire upon Americans. Why else are there German and Russian NATO troops housed on American soil ? The federal government is scared shitless that our own military wouldn't follow orders if push came to shove in our cities.
19 posted on 02/23/2011 5:36:06 AM PST by Robert Drobot (Quaeras de dubiis, legem bene discere si vis)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
If the USA cannot handle it's own emergencies then how the hell is Canada going to help? I am very suspicious although I laugh at the thought of those Canucks thinking they have the military power to do anthing to the US.
20 posted on 02/23/2011 5:36:36 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: broken_arrow1

Not just an end around to posse comitatus, but also a way for American troops to waste time on Canadian soil as well.

This is getting larger press in the Great White North, and several of my very close Canadian friends are telling me that they’re absolutely outraged.


21 posted on 02/23/2011 5:37:06 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Wouldn’t Zero have to declare Martial Law for ANY troops to be used against civilians in the U.S.


22 posted on 02/23/2011 5:37:14 AM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I really don’t have a problem with this for several reasons. In a civil emergency, such as New Orleans being submerged after Katrina, we saw the military respond with search and rescue, hospital ships, etc. The military did a much better job than School Bus Nagin, and Gov “I draw a” Blanco. This agreement would allow Canadian Forces (which are very good at this sort of thing) to assist. Likewise, US Forces could assist in similar situations in Canada (such as the Halifax Explosion).

Keep in mind that the US and Canadian Forces have been extremely integrated for many decades through NATO, NORAD, etc. Canada is within our defensive perimeter already.


23 posted on 02/23/2011 5:38:17 AM PST by bobjam
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To: DaiHuy

>This way they can do things like round up guns or people without breaking US law

I think that there would be a whole lot of dead Canadians to round up while that is tried...


24 posted on 02/23/2011 5:38:32 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

So now I can look forward to being invaded by foreign troops pointing their weaponry at me. Since when were our troops not good enough to defend our own borders? Wondering how our National Guard units feel about this....


25 posted on 02/23/2011 5:39:47 AM PST by EverOnward
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This is a continuation of George Bush’s push to form the North American Union. I am surprised that anyone believes that it started with Obummer. He is just marching in lock step with his predecessor.

When Tom Tancredo first reported on the formation of the North American Union and the subsequent formation of a shadow government outside of the restraints of congress several years ago under the direction of President Bush, I immediately contacted my rep, Sue Myrick, to see if there was any truth to the allegation. Her office sent me back an email telling me that I was not a “Friend of the President”.


26 posted on 02/23/2011 5:41:13 AM PST by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: bobjam

>The military did a much better job than School Bus Nagin, and Gov “I draw a” Blanco. This agreement would allow Canadian Forces (which are very good at this sort of thing) to assist.

Why not allow Libyan troops to assist?
Or Mexican troops?
Are you a racist?

We have plenty of troops to spare in any such natural disaster. PLENTY.

The only reason for foreign troops to be involved is something else entirely.


27 posted on 02/23/2011 5:42:37 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Pretorian Guard.... nothing to worry abooot.


28 posted on 02/23/2011 5:43:10 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Why else are there German and Russian NATO troops housed on American soil ?

Russian NATO troops? And Russia joined NATO when?

29 posted on 02/23/2011 5:47:30 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This is bad.


30 posted on 02/23/2011 5:48:06 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: bobjam

>>In a civil emergency, such as New Orleans being submerged after Katrina, we saw the military respond with search and rescue, hospital ships, etc.<<

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4


31 posted on 02/23/2011 5:48:59 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This has never been necessary before.

Why now?

Is this to gut Posse Comitatus?

We may have to go Egypt on DC soon. Something evil this way comes.


32 posted on 02/23/2011 5:51:11 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This was posted Feb. 14, 2008 on the NorthCom site. It was signed in San Antonio in ‘08, according to that site. It was posted on Feb. 21, 2011 at the Ron Paul site. Hmmmm. Curiouser and Curiouser.


33 posted on 02/23/2011 5:52:08 AM PST by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: Jane Long

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this was signed behind our backs as part of the NAU.

The Bushies were actively involved. What is frightening is having this power in the hands of Obama.

Seems like our government just acts behind our backs on all things anymore.


34 posted on 02/23/2011 5:58:46 AM PST by dforest
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To: DeaconBenjamin; indylindy; catman67; Graybeard58; cripplecreek; broken_arrow1; ArrogantBustard; ...
>This way they can do things like round up guns or people without breaking US law

I think that there would be a whole lot of dead Canadians to round up while that is tried...

Really? You really think so...or you just whistling past the graveyard of reality?

Step 1) Declare a terrorist/infiltration national emergency. Bioterror.

Step 2) Shut down internet, start broadcasting insidious propaganda from Dear TOTUS on Emergency Broadcasting System, newspapers.

Step 3) Take your time. Platoon-strength troops going neighborhood to neighborhood (not door to door.) They get your neighbor's guns on the next block....you don't know anything about it because they've got you isolated. Rinse the blood off the porch and repeat. Then they come for you.

Really? You think you're going to run down the block and break the barricades to help someone you don't even know? Did anybody do it for Waco? Ruby Ridge? Hell no! They were branded "child molesters" and "psychos" etc.

All this big talk about revolution is horsepuckey. Even if we all fight, they have been learning for 20 years in Serbia and Iraq and Afghanistan how to divide and conquer.

And besides. With DADT, all you need is an infiltration rate of 1 in 30, say, to rat out true patriots in the ranks who will not fire on their countrymen anyhow. "Just following orders" in a bio/nuke "emergency" may bring a firing squad. Them vs US?

35 posted on 02/23/2011 5:59:58 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The only time is see this as being appropriate is in the event of a natural disaster along the border, when you want whoever can get help there the quickest to not have to worry about who’s on which side of a line.


36 posted on 02/23/2011 6:03:15 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: DeaconBenjamin; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ...
CW2 Ping


37 posted on 02/23/2011 6:05:13 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: sam_paine

Well, I’m glad that we’re all so positive about the outcomes.

/sarc


38 posted on 02/23/2011 6:07:05 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: sam_paine

If someone comes for your gun and you shoot and kill one, the others will not be as enthusiastic when they get to the next house even if you are killed.


39 posted on 02/23/2011 6:12:31 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: rarestia

Unlike the bunker dwellers I don’t fear and hate our military. In fact I don’t have issues with Canadian troops helping with cleanup after a natural disaster but they don’t need to be armed for that nor should they have any authority over American citizens.

Canadian troops helping to quell civil unrest is quite another issue.


40 posted on 02/23/2011 6:18:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Travis McGee

I am sure the Canadian military will be very polite when they come to confiscate your guns during a “national emergency” ...


41 posted on 02/23/2011 6:18:22 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: cripplecreek
I respect people in the uniform of the US military. I would follow their instructions until such time as I receive solid evidence that they are oppressive and tyrannical. I don't trust my government, but I do trust the US military.

But other military uniforms? Folks in blue helmets? I believe that agents of any invading army should be shot on sight.

42 posted on 02/23/2011 6:21:04 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: spodefly

Why leave the Mexican military out of this great deal?


43 posted on 02/23/2011 6:21:04 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; Travis McGee
(American) Gun Owners Buy 14 Million Plus Guns In 2009 – More Than 21x the Worlds Standing Armies
44 posted on 02/23/2011 6:22:47 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: catman67
Not sure I like this idea one bit!!

Nor do I. Zero knows that our troops won't fire on their own families but hopes that the Kanuks will and visa versa. Very dictatorial of him. Very Kahdhafi of him. Bringing foreign troops into this country could actually start a War...right here between the two countries. It is absolutely midievil thinking. Then he'd have to marry one of his daughters off to a Canadien/Canadian ruler to insure the peace. Madness prevails in the District.

45 posted on 02/23/2011 6:23:36 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: indylindy
OK frogs! How hot is the water now? Not quite boiling yet?

Our govt has now opened the way to use foreign military to quell whatever "The Government" deems to be civil unrest. And just what will "they" deem to be civil unrest that would warrant the use of foreign troops?

Is there anything about this that doesn't scare the crap out of anyone?

During a crisis there is no question about whether or not there will be an attempt to eradicate the U.S. and our Constitution. And this development is part of that.

Alarm bells should be ringing right now: "Fire! Foe! Fear!"

And anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

Given the way things are now days, will we be able to keep the Republic? Has the Republic run its course and now things are set to change? Are we in the twilight of our Constitutional Republic, is the American Experiment coming to an end? Have we as a people been weighed in the balance and been found wanting? Is our erstwhile form of government no longer suitable for our nation? The world? I have no doubt that a large part of our population may agree - not that they'd ever have any independent thoughts on this matter, just what they are told to think via the entertainment/media/academic/government complex. And I have no doubt that our political leaders - left and right - have the globalist point of view that the time is past for Republics such as ours was. So which side of history are we on? Does anyone think that because of the endemic racism and national chauvinism (among other ills) that radical change is necessary in order to achieve fraternity, equality, and liberty? Or does anyone think that those watchwords of the French Revolution were not the watchwords of the American Revolution, and that they have no place here?

46 posted on 02/23/2011 6:23:38 AM PST by hfr (Isn't there some quaint and old fashioned clause somewhere about quartering soldiers on the people?)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This is a bad agreement.


47 posted on 02/23/2011 6:24:31 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This is a bad agreement.


48 posted on 02/23/2011 6:24:38 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; Travis McGee

This is the camel’s nose under the tent. If Canadians, why not Mexicans or Russians or anyone else for that matter. I like Canadians but this is a very bad precident.


49 posted on 02/23/2011 6:24:44 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

This is the nose under the tent. Right now, it’s just Canadian troops. But what happens when it’s the Mexican Army? Or the Chinese? If foreign troops can freely — indeed by invitation — occupy American soil, where does it stop, and how do we retain any measure of sovereignty?

This is an abomination and must be overthrown. No good can possibly come from it.


50 posted on 02/23/2011 6:25:36 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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