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Arvada Police defend arrest of 11-year-old over drawing (Colorado--video at lin)
Arvada Police defend arrest of 11-year-old over drawing ^ | February 23, 2011 | Julie Hayden

Posted on 02/23/2011 7:14:14 AM PST by beaversmom

ARVADA, Colo. -- Arvada Police are defending the way they handled the arrest of an 11-year-old boy. The Arvada boy was arrested and hauled away in handcuffs from his home for drawing stick figures in school - something his therapist told him to do.

His parents say they understand what he did was inappropriate, but are outraged by the way Arvada Police handled the case. The parents did not want their real names used.

They say "Tim" is being treated for Attention Deficit Disorder and his therapist told him to draw pictures when he got upset, rather than disrupt the class. So that’s what he did.

Last October, he drew stick figures of himself with a gun, pointed at four other stick figures with the words "teachers must die."

The boy drew the pictures to let out angry emotions. "Tim," his parents, and his therapist say it was not a threat and that Tim would never hurt anyone.

He felt calmer and was throwing the picture away when the teacher saw it and sent him to the principal's office.

The school was aware that the boy was in treatment, determined he was not a threat, notified his parents and sent him back to class. His mother, "Jane" was shocked when Arvada Police showed up at their home later that night.

She says she told her son to cooperate and tell the truth, but was horrified when they told her they were arresting him and then handcuffed him and hauled him away in a patrol car. His mother says she begged police to let her drive her son to the police department and to let her stay with him through the booking process but they refused.

They put him in a cell, took his mug shot and fingerprinted him. He says he thought he was going to jail and would never be able to go home again.

According to the police report, "Tim" explained he made the drawing to release anger and would never hurt teachers or anyone. At first school officials did not want to press charges, but changed their mind when police called them later that night. A juvenile assessment report shows he's never been in legal trouble before and is at low risk to reoffend.

He's charged with a third degree misdemeanor, interfering with staff and students at an educational facility. The system says it's doing what's in the best interest of the child. But Tim's therapist says handcuffing an 11-year-old and putting him in a cell over something like this is "quite an overreaction" and does much more harm than good.

"Tim" is on probation and if he completes that successfully, the criminal charges will be dropped. But his parents say it has cost them thousands of dollars so far.

And if they had known that their son’s cooperation would be used as evidence against him, they would have hired a lawyer at the beginning and exercised his right to remain silent.


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1 posted on 02/23/2011 7:14:20 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Admin Moderator

May need to be excerpted. I goofed on the source—should be Fox 31 in Denver.


2 posted on 02/23/2011 7:15:24 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom
Public schools are evil.
3 posted on 02/23/2011 7:16:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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Local host Peter Boyles (630 KHOW/Denver) is talking about this this morning:

Listen live here:

http://www.khow.com/main.html


4 posted on 02/23/2011 7:16:59 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Something is seriously wrong with these over-reacting fools.


5 posted on 02/23/2011 7:18:00 AM PST by Amagi (ObamaCare proposed a tax on Tanning Salons. That is RACISM STRAIGHT UP!)
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To: beaversmom
interfering with staff and students at an educational facility

Throwing away a drawing is interfering with staff and students....?

6 posted on 02/23/2011 7:19:37 AM PST by FourPeas (BO becoming president was just the beginning of the world turned upside down.)
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To: beaversmom

Something is wrong with Jeffco police depts. Have they all become PC police?


7 posted on 02/23/2011 7:19:42 AM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: beaversmom

Seems to me that the family has a 1st Amendment civil rights case against the department.


8 posted on 02/23/2011 7:20:25 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Public schools are evil

The schools are probably the initiators of him being diagnosed as ADD in the first place. He's probably just a normal boy. Now he's been taught it's wrong to be a boy and it's wrong to draw pictures of guns.

9 posted on 02/23/2011 7:21:21 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: dynachrome

(Our foremothers carried guns too and knew how to use them)


10 posted on 02/23/2011 7:22:32 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: dynachrome

I despise that Storey dude. Something is definitely wrong over there. Maybe a few lawsuits will slow them down.


11 posted on 02/23/2011 7:22:57 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“public” school is one of those euphemisms the left uses to hide the truth.

They are _government_ schools.


12 posted on 02/23/2011 7:23:01 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: beaversmom
Last October, he drew stick figures of himself with a gun, pointed at four other stick figures with the words "teachers must die."

Oh cmon - I did this tons of times.

I even added sound effects while drawing them.

13 posted on 02/23/2011 7:26:44 AM PST by skeeter
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To: beaversmom

So, who reported the incident to the police?

Suspect #1 is his teacher.

Suspect #2 is the parent of one of his classmates.

Suspect #3 is some zealot in the principal’s office.

Any others?


14 posted on 02/23/2011 7:29:08 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: skeeter
Oh cmon - I did this tons of times. I even added sound effects while drawing them.

ROTFL! In the 50s (in 5th grade) a particularly talented friend of mine drew a cartoon of the WH being blown up with an atomic bomb, the dome was flying above and other recognizeable features, among them was a detached arm hanging on to a microphone. Really it was a hoot, my laughter even though suppressed caught the attention of our greatly loved teacher (male, Boy Scout Master, revered teacher) who quietly told him that we were in the middle of Math class and to put it away.

No arrest, no handcuffs and to boot he complemented my friend on his talent.

15 posted on 02/23/2011 7:33:17 AM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: beaversmom

re: “Now he’s been taught it’s wrong to be a boy and it’s wrong to draw pictures of guns.”

It wasn’t just the picture of the gun - it was what was said on the drawing that caused the most concern (the “teachers must die”). If Columbine and all the other whacked out kid incidents blowing away students and teachers hadn’t happened, then sure, this would be a non-issue. So, I get why the school was concerned.

What I don’t get is why the police involvement? The school had already dealt with the kid, parents were notified, etc. And, then, the police don’t just show up and talk to the kid - they ARREST HIM? For what??

And something else I just noticed in the story - this happened “last October”?? Why is this just hitting the news now?


16 posted on 02/23/2011 7:34:49 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: brushcop

Hilarious. If drawing scenes of combat replete with nazi iconography were a crime back in the 60s I’d still be doing time.


17 posted on 02/23/2011 7:40:19 AM PST by skeeter
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To: beaversmom
I'm going to come to the defense of the authorities here. If the kid had shown up to school after the incident with a gun and shot people, everyone would be coming out of the woodwork screaming how the warning signs were there but no one did anything. Damned if you do...
18 posted on 02/23/2011 7:42:19 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: beaversmom

Paging messrs Calvin and Hobbs. Messrs Calvin and Hobbs, please pick up the white courtesy phone.


19 posted on 02/23/2011 7:42:40 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmit in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: beaversmom

“She says she told her son to cooperate and tell the truth, but was horrified when they told her they were arresting him and then handcuffed him and hauled him away in a patrol car.”

“if they had known that their son’s cooperation would be used as evidence against him, they would have hired a lawyer at the beginning and exercised his right to remain silent.”

You can NEVER EVER talk your way out of getting arrested by “cooperating” with the Police. When the Police come to investigate a crime and they are looking at you or a family member “cooperation” directly translates as “help them build a case against you”.

Everything you say to the Police CAN AND WILL be used against you. Nothing you say to them can be used in your defense as it is, in criminal proceedings “hearsay”. What you tell them that (they feel, or their ‘recollection’ of) is incriminating is OK for them to say on the stand, anything you tell them that is exculpatory is just hearsay.

They are inviting you to play a ‘game’ where thy can score points but nothing you do puts anything up on the score board. The longer you ‘play’ the worse it is for you.

Never “cooperate” with the Police when they think you or a family member (that you don’t want imprisoned) is a suspect.


20 posted on 02/23/2011 7:51:25 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: beaversmom

The police acted stupidly


21 posted on 02/23/2011 7:52:58 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it -Voltaire)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Alot of public schools are evil, but not all. I love my children’s public school. They are patriotic and spiritual. Every day the National Anthem is sung and the Pledge of Allegiance is recited. They pray before meetings and Luncheons. Last week I noticed the Gadsden Flag is proudly hung up in the hallway. Awesome school.


22 posted on 02/23/2011 7:54:53 AM PST by silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
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To: beaversmom

Was the administrator that called the police a female? Almost always is.


23 posted on 02/23/2011 8:00:26 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: beaversmom

The police shouldn’t be involved at all in this. It was idiotic to call the police when the child’s behavior could have easily been referred over to a professional office (if needed) and the police and teacher should have been mature enough to understand the referral. To have police so ignorant as to handcuff an 11 year old and transport him to a cell is much, much worse than the stick figures.


24 posted on 02/23/2011 8:00:29 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids
Awesome school.

Don't let the ACLU know about any of that stuff.

Seriously.

25 posted on 02/23/2011 8:01:24 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: BerryDingle

...and he was transported to a mental institution in Colorado Springs for 3 days!


26 posted on 02/23/2011 8:02:14 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: allmendream
You can NEVER EVER talk your way out of getting arrested by “cooperating” with the Police.

One of the many things I've learned from FR.

27 posted on 02/23/2011 8:04:04 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Tennessee Nana

“(Our foremothers carried guns too and knew how to use them)”
That makes me a foremother...LOL


28 posted on 02/23/2011 8:06:19 AM PST by esoteric
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To: beaversmom
As i have posted before - there is something very important that is being missed: Who called the police?

The story says that the school's administration didn’t call the police since they were aware of the emotional problems. I doubt that either the child or the parents called the police. The story went on to say that the school administration changed their minds after the police showed up.

So.

Who called the police?

As it stands right now the only other party that knew of the drawing was the teacher. Or, did I miss something?

29 posted on 02/23/2011 8:09:28 AM PST by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Amagi
Something is seriously wrong with these over-reacting fools.

And when this "Kid" actually walks into class and actually shoots a teacher or students what are you going to yell? Why didn't someone see this coming and do something about it?
An 11 year old needs to know that ideas such he expressed is not acceptable. He needs someone to point that out. Maybe they could have done a better job of it by sending him to a therapist that "does not accept his behavior as appropriate" instead of just saying that he did what he was told to do.
What he did was inappropriate and he needs to know that fact. He should not be shot, put in prison but rather dealt with so that he knows that what he suggested by his drawing is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
30 posted on 02/23/2011 8:09:59 AM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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To: esoteric

:)


31 posted on 02/23/2011 8:11:32 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Oztrich Boy
The police acted stupidly

- and the boy was acting appropriately? No. He was wrong and needs to have someone tell him so.

To point out the obvious is what is needed. Saying that he was just doing what he was told to do does not cut it. He was wrong ! That point needs to be pointed out to him, his parents and especially his therapist.

It looks like his parents and especially his therapist had no intent to deal with that fact.
32 posted on 02/23/2011 8:16:53 AM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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To: jongaltsr

See this"inappropriate expression"? Its NFS but even if it was I bet you couldnt afford it

33 posted on 02/23/2011 8:19:32 AM PST by woofie
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To: beaversmom
and he was transported to a mental institution in Colorado Springs for 3 days!

What's sad is some of the liberal signs at protests over the last few years, Crawford Texas, Marches on Washington, Madison Wisconsin now, and this little boy locked up for stick figures. "teachers must die" is taken as a personal insult, but the child is no security risk daytime or nightime.

34 posted on 02/23/2011 8:19:37 AM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: jongaltsr

And when this “Kid” actually walks into class and actually shoots a teacher or students what are you going to yell? Why didn’t someone see this coming and do something about it?
______________________________________________

Good grief

Kids in my class when I was in school drew pics of guns tanks aircraft

None of them have ever shot a teacher in 50 years...

My son and his friends drew guns...

he never shot a teacher...

We playerd Hang Man is that outlawed too now ???

we played Cowboys and Indians, Cops and Robbers still nobody murdered...

If we had no toy guns we made one from 2 of Mums clothes pegs...

No adult fainted when we went “BANG !!! Youre dead”


35 posted on 02/23/2011 8:22:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: silly.kerry.trix.are.for.kids

“Awesome school.”

DON’T tell us where you live!
The PC police will be there in a heartbeat to straighten things out =/


36 posted on 02/23/2011 8:22:45 AM PST by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: beaversmom

This confirms it common sense is dead.


37 posted on 02/23/2011 8:25:05 AM PST by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Nevadan

Good analysis. I was wondering what circumstances caused the parents to hire a psychiatrist for their 11 year old. Maybe he has a history of violent behavior. It would be nice to know all the facts.


38 posted on 02/23/2011 8:29:08 AM PST by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: beaversmom
And if they had known that their son’s cooperation would be used as evidence against him, they would have hired a lawyer at the beginning and exercised his right to remain silent.

That is what anyone should do when arrested. Say NOTHING. Get counsel.

But an 11 year old? The cops in Arvada, CO must be really bored.

39 posted on 02/23/2011 8:29:39 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Were you told that what you did was wrong when you targeted a particular individual?

Cowboys and Indians was accepted because it was not reality - it was what you saw in the movies of those days and even today.

We used to do things like put mice and garden snakes in the teacher desk but nobody thought (to my knowledge) of drawing someone shooting the teacher.


40 posted on 02/23/2011 8:30:20 AM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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To: brushcop

“In the 50s (in 5th grade)”

In the 60s, in fourth grade (during the wonderful Vietnam protest era) I wrote a not very good story about burning down the school. I was sent to the principal’s office. He pointed to the painted cinder block wall of his office and said “This school is made from brick and cement. How well do you suppose it would burn?”


41 posted on 02/23/2011 8:37:38 AM PST by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: jongaltsr
That is an absurd excuse for the groos over reaction here.

I used to do the same thing, scribbling warrior drawings even on my spelling test papers when I was in grade school, and I didn't do it upon a therapist's recommendation. Fortunately for me there were no clowns to frog march me for a booking at the city jail.

Guess what? I haven't killed anyone yet and am not likely to.

42 posted on 02/23/2011 8:40:35 AM PST by Amagi (ObamaCare proposed a tax on Tanning Salons. That is RACISM STRAIGHT UP!)
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To: beaversmom

In grade school we used to draw WWII battle scenes on our grocery bag book covers. If teachers ever made it into our drawings they were always the Nazis.


43 posted on 02/23/2011 8:51:45 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Flash Bazbeaux; skeeter

LOL! I’m sure both of you would understand my incredibly detailed WW1 dogfight scenes, I must’ve drawn hundreds of them. Something about biplanes. And they were also accompanied by sound effects too (ATTN Flash). I guess our generations are the wandering unprosecuted criminal class with pencils in hand (#2 pencils of course).


44 posted on 02/23/2011 8:53:20 AM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: beaversmom

And...a favorite on the bus ride group song list 40 years ago was “Glory, glory hallelujah, teacher hit me with a ruler; I blew her through the door with a loaded .44 and she won’t be there no more”


45 posted on 02/23/2011 8:56:25 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: jongaltsr
And when this "Kid" actually walks into class and actually shoots a teacher or students what are you going to yell? Why didn't someone see this coming and do something about it?

An 11 year old needs to know that ideas such he expressed is not acceptable. He needs someone to point that out. Maybe they could have done a better job of it by sending him to a therapist that "does not accept his behavior as appropriate" instead of just saying that he did what he was told to do.

What he did was inappropriate and he needs to know that fact. He should not be shot, put in prison but rather dealt with so that he knows that what he suggested by his drawing is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Are you serious? Thought control? I don't give a damn what he drew. How is suppressing expression going to suppress violence?

Before there was political correctness, before there were thousands of anti-gun laws, before there were hand-wringing busy-bodies everywhere, there were NO school shootings. But now we arrest kids for water pistols, scout knives and stick figures. This is not a free country.

And, to answer your question, if a kid walks into class with a gun or a knife I'm NOT going to ask "why didn't someone see this coming?" What I WILL ask is "Why are no teachers armed?"

46 posted on 02/23/2011 8:57:31 AM PST by freedom_forge (http://libertyphysics.wordpress.com/)
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To: beaversmom
Looks like the parents are responsible. They are getting the child therapy. The principal saw no problem.

So who then sicced the fuzz on the boy? And didn't the fuzz have more serious law enforcement duties to preform, such as manning the local speed trap?

47 posted on 02/23/2011 9:45:28 AM PST by Beowulf
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To: Rebelbase
“Glory, glory hallelujah, teacher hit me with a ruler; I blew her through the door with a loaded .44 and she won’t be there no more”

Oh, man! I FORGOT that catchy little ditty! Our version was a little gentler, but I like yours better. In ours, the second line was: "Hit her in the bean with a rotten tangerine ... His truth is marching on."

48 posted on 02/23/2011 10:08:48 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Finny
That's the version I recall.

Looks like I'm not alone in escaping justice and avoiding a juvenile criminal rap sheet for my militaristic doodlings in the classroom.

Managed to avoid John Q Law until a couple years ago when I got my only speeding ticket after 45 years of driving, on an empty 4 lane highway at 10:00 AM literally two minutes from my office. Haven't found it in me to donate to the Florida Sheriff's fund since. Maybe next year, maybe not.

49 posted on 02/23/2011 10:39:19 AM PST by Beowulf
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To: Rebelbase

Our song on the last day of school for the summer vacation was

No more schoolwork no more books
no more teachers’ dirty looks

We would walk around the school building singing it at the top of our voices

We also drew unflatering pics of the teacher or principal on the black boards

The teachers just ignored us

Today we would be in jail for threateniong a teacher...


50 posted on 02/23/2011 11:53:49 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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