Skip to comments.Arvada Police defend arrest of 11-year-old over drawing (Colorado--video at lin)
Posted on 02/23/2011 7:14:14 AM PST by beaversmom
ARVADA, Colo. -- Arvada Police are defending the way they handled the arrest of an 11-year-old boy. The Arvada boy was arrested and hauled away in handcuffs from his home for drawing stick figures in school - something his therapist told him to do.
His parents say they understand what he did was inappropriate, but are outraged by the way Arvada Police handled the case. The parents did not want their real names used.
They say "Tim" is being treated for Attention Deficit Disorder and his therapist told him to draw pictures when he got upset, rather than disrupt the class. So thats what he did.
Last October, he drew stick figures of himself with a gun, pointed at four other stick figures with the words "teachers must die."
The boy drew the pictures to let out angry emotions. "Tim," his parents, and his therapist say it was not a threat and that Tim would never hurt anyone.
He felt calmer and was throwing the picture away when the teacher saw it and sent him to the principal's office.
The school was aware that the boy was in treatment, determined he was not a threat, notified his parents and sent him back to class. His mother, "Jane" was shocked when Arvada Police showed up at their home later that night.
She says she told her son to cooperate and tell the truth, but was horrified when they told her they were arresting him and then handcuffed him and hauled him away in a patrol car. His mother says she begged police to let her drive her son to the police department and to let her stay with him through the booking process but they refused.
They put him in a cell, took his mug shot and fingerprinted him. He says he thought he was going to jail and would never be able to go home again.
According to the police report, "Tim" explained he made the drawing to release anger and would never hurt teachers or anyone. At first school officials did not want to press charges, but changed their mind when police called them later that night. A juvenile assessment report shows he's never been in legal trouble before and is at low risk to reoffend.
He's charged with a third degree misdemeanor, interfering with staff and students at an educational facility. The system says it's doing what's in the best interest of the child. But Tim's therapist says handcuffing an 11-year-old and putting him in a cell over something like this is "quite an overreaction" and does much more harm than good.
"Tim" is on probation and if he completes that successfully, the criminal charges will be dropped. But his parents say it has cost them thousands of dollars so far.
And if they had known that their sons cooperation would be used as evidence against him, they would have hired a lawyer at the beginning and exercised his right to remain silent.
May need to be excerpted. I goofed on the source—should be Fox 31 in Denver.
Local host Peter Boyles (630 KHOW/Denver) is talking about this this morning:
Listen live here:
Something is seriously wrong with these over-reacting fools.
Throwing away a drawing is interfering with staff and students....?
Something is wrong with Jeffco police depts. Have they all become PC police?
Seems to me that the family has a 1st Amendment civil rights case against the department.
The schools are probably the initiators of him being diagnosed as ADD in the first place. He's probably just a normal boy. Now he's been taught it's wrong to be a boy and it's wrong to draw pictures of guns.
(Our foremothers carried guns too and knew how to use them)
I despise that Storey dude. Something is definitely wrong over there. Maybe a few lawsuits will slow them down.
“public” school is one of those euphemisms the left uses to hide the truth.
They are _government_ schools.
Oh cmon - I did this tons of times.
I even added sound effects while drawing them.
So, who reported the incident to the police?
Suspect #1 is his teacher.
Suspect #2 is the parent of one of his classmates.
Suspect #3 is some zealot in the principal’s office.
ROTFL! In the 50s (in 5th grade) a particularly talented friend of mine drew a cartoon of the WH being blown up with an atomic bomb, the dome was flying above and other recognizeable features, among them was a detached arm hanging on to a microphone. Really it was a hoot, my laughter even though suppressed caught the attention of our greatly loved teacher (male, Boy Scout Master, revered teacher) who quietly told him that we were in the middle of Math class and to put it away.
No arrest, no handcuffs and to boot he complemented my friend on his talent.
re: “Now he’s been taught it’s wrong to be a boy and it’s wrong to draw pictures of guns.”
It wasn’t just the picture of the gun - it was what was said on the drawing that caused the most concern (the “teachers must die”). If Columbine and all the other whacked out kid incidents blowing away students and teachers hadn’t happened, then sure, this would be a non-issue. So, I get why the school was concerned.
What I don’t get is why the police involvement? The school had already dealt with the kid, parents were notified, etc. And, then, the police don’t just show up and talk to the kid - they ARREST HIM? For what??
And something else I just noticed in the story - this happened “last October”?? Why is this just hitting the news now?
Hilarious. If drawing scenes of combat replete with nazi iconography were a crime back in the 60s I’d still be doing time.
Paging messrs Calvin and Hobbs. Messrs Calvin and Hobbs, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
“She says she told her son to cooperate and tell the truth, but was horrified when they told her they were arresting him and then handcuffed him and hauled him away in a patrol car.”
“if they had known that their sons cooperation would be used as evidence against him, they would have hired a lawyer at the beginning and exercised his right to remain silent.”
You can NEVER EVER talk your way out of getting arrested by “cooperating” with the Police. When the Police come to investigate a crime and they are looking at you or a family member “cooperation” directly translates as “help them build a case against you”.
Everything you say to the Police CAN AND WILL be used against you. Nothing you say to them can be used in your defense as it is, in criminal proceedings “hearsay”. What you tell them that (they feel, or their ‘recollection’ of) is incriminating is OK for them to say on the stand, anything you tell them that is exculpatory is just hearsay.
They are inviting you to play a ‘game’ where thy can score points but nothing you do puts anything up on the score board. The longer you ‘play’ the worse it is for you.
Never “cooperate” with the Police when they think you or a family member (that you don’t want imprisoned) is a suspect.
The police acted stupidly
Alot of public schools are evil, but not all. I love my children’s public school. They are patriotic and spiritual. Every day the National Anthem is sung and the Pledge of Allegiance is recited. They pray before meetings and Luncheons. Last week I noticed the Gadsden Flag is proudly hung up in the hallway. Awesome school.
Was the administrator that called the police a female? Almost always is.
The police shouldn’t be involved at all in this. It was idiotic to call the police when the child’s behavior could have easily been referred over to a professional office (if needed) and the police and teacher should have been mature enough to understand the referral. To have police so ignorant as to handcuff an 11 year old and transport him to a cell is much, much worse than the stick figures.
Don't let the ACLU know about any of that stuff.
...and he was transported to a mental institution in Colorado Springs for 3 days!
One of the many things I've learned from FR.
“(Our foremothers carried guns too and knew how to use them)”
That makes me a foremother...LOL
The story says that the school's administration didn’t call the police since they were aware of the emotional problems. I doubt that either the child or the parents called the police. The story went on to say that the school administration changed their minds after the police showed up.
Who called the police?
As it stands right now the only other party that knew of the drawing was the teacher. Or, did I miss something?
See this"inappropriate expression"? Its NFS but even if it was I bet you couldnt afford it
What's sad is some of the liberal signs at protests over the last few years, Crawford Texas, Marches on Washington, Madison Wisconsin now, and this little boy locked up for stick figures. "teachers must die" is taken as a personal insult, but the child is no security risk daytime or nightime.
And when this “Kid” actually walks into class and actually shoots a teacher or students what are you going to yell? Why didn’t someone see this coming and do something about it?
Kids in my class when I was in school drew pics of guns tanks aircraft
None of them have ever shot a teacher in 50 years...
My son and his friends drew guns...
he never shot a teacher...
We playerd Hang Man is that outlawed too now ???
we played Cowboys and Indians, Cops and Robbers still nobody murdered...
If we had no toy guns we made one from 2 of Mums clothes pegs...
No adult fainted when we went “BANG !!! Youre dead”
DON’T tell us where you live!
The PC police will be there in a heartbeat to straighten things out =/
This confirms it common sense is dead.
Good analysis. I was wondering what circumstances caused the parents to hire a psychiatrist for their 11 year old. Maybe he has a history of violent behavior. It would be nice to know all the facts.
That is what anyone should do when arrested. Say NOTHING. Get counsel.
But an 11 year old? The cops in Arvada, CO must be really bored.
Were you told that what you did was wrong when you targeted a particular individual?
Cowboys and Indians was accepted because it was not reality - it was what you saw in the movies of those days and even today.
We used to do things like put mice and garden snakes in the teacher desk but nobody thought (to my knowledge) of drawing someone shooting the teacher.
“In the 50s (in 5th grade)”
In the 60s, in fourth grade (during the wonderful Vietnam protest era) I wrote a not very good story about burning down the school. I was sent to the principal’s office. He pointed to the painted cinder block wall of his office and said “This school is made from brick and cement. How well do you suppose it would burn?”
I used to do the same thing, scribbling warrior drawings even on my spelling test papers when I was in grade school, and I didn't do it upon a therapist's recommendation. Fortunately for me there were no clowns to frog march me for a booking at the city jail.
Guess what? I haven't killed anyone yet and am not likely to.
In grade school we used to draw WWII battle scenes on our grocery bag book covers. If teachers ever made it into our drawings they were always the Nazis.
LOL! I’m sure both of you would understand my incredibly detailed WW1 dogfight scenes, I must’ve drawn hundreds of them. Something about biplanes. And they were also accompanied by sound effects too (ATTN Flash). I guess our generations are the wandering unprosecuted criminal class with pencils in hand (#2 pencils of course).
And...a favorite on the bus ride group song list 40 years ago was “Glory, glory hallelujah, teacher hit me with a ruler; I blew her through the door with a loaded .44 and she won’t be there no more”
An 11 year old needs to know that ideas such he expressed is not acceptable. He needs someone to point that out. Maybe they could have done a better job of it by sending him to a therapist that "does not accept his behavior as appropriate" instead of just saying that he did what he was told to do.
What he did was inappropriate and he needs to know that fact. He should not be shot, put in prison but rather dealt with so that he knows that what he suggested by his drawing is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Are you serious? Thought control? I don't give a damn what he drew. How is suppressing expression going to suppress violence?
Before there was political correctness, before there were thousands of anti-gun laws, before there were hand-wringing busy-bodies everywhere, there were NO school shootings. But now we arrest kids for water pistols, scout knives and stick figures. This is not a free country.
And, to answer your question, if a kid walks into class with a gun or a knife I'm NOT going to ask "why didn't someone see this coming?" What I WILL ask is "Why are no teachers armed?"
So who then sicced the fuzz on the boy? And didn't the fuzz have more serious law enforcement duties to preform, such as manning the local speed trap?
Oh, man! I FORGOT that catchy little ditty! Our version was a little gentler, but I like yours better. In ours, the second line was: "Hit her in the bean with a rotten tangerine ... His truth is marching on."
Looks like I'm not alone in escaping justice and avoiding a juvenile criminal rap sheet for my militaristic doodlings in the classroom.
Managed to avoid John Q Law until a couple years ago when I got my only speeding ticket after 45 years of driving, on an empty 4 lane highway at 10:00 AM literally two minutes from my office. Haven't found it in me to donate to the Florida Sheriff's fund since. Maybe next year, maybe not.
Our song on the last day of school for the summer vacation was
No more schoolwork no more books
no more teachers’ dirty looks
We would walk around the school building singing it at the top of our voices
We also drew unflatering pics of the teacher or principal on the black boards
The teachers just ignored us
Today we would be in jail for threateniong a teacher...
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