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Editorial: California should kill 'train to nowhere'
The Orange County Register ^ | 2-23-2011 | Mark Landsbaum

Posted on 02/23/2011 9:59:38 PM PST by Mark Landsbaum

A wave of rational, common sense is sweeping the nation. Four states have rejected billions of dollars in federal money for high-speed rail construction, realizing long-term costs far outweigh wishful-thinking benefits.

That's good news. The bad news is California political leaders, from Gov. Jerry Brown to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, want to spend the money wisely rejected by governors in Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa and most recently Florida, for California's own proposed high-speed train. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: highspeedrail; obama; subsidy; taxes

1 posted on 02/23/2011 9:59:41 PM PST by Mark Landsbaum
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To: Mark Landsbaum
California's money so far is likely to finance the system's first leg, linking two tiny Central Valley cities. In our view, it's not unlikely the whole effort could begin and end with what's been dubbed the "train to nowhere," connecting the tiny towns of Borden and Corcoran.

This is a joke, right? Borden and Corcoran? Insane. This whole "high speed rail" thing is just a way to create more union employees and throw more money down that rathole at taxpayer expense.

2 posted on 02/23/2011 10:03:31 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: Mark Landsbaum

I support high speed rail in California - if it’s to take illegals back to Mexico.


3 posted on 02/23/2011 10:22:27 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Washington, we Texans want a divorce!)
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To: OrangeHoof
I support high speed rail in California - if it’s to take illegals back to Mexico.

Some ways are more fun than others:


4 posted on 02/23/2011 10:27:13 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

The claim they are GUARANTEED job creators.

So for every dollar spent, FIRST reduce welfare by $1.10.


5 posted on 02/23/2011 10:36:07 PM PST by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama. Then try him for treason.)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

I wish they’d give the axe to this stupid train they’re doing up above San Francisco. It’s going to run down to Larkspur (well, maybe, someday ... they can’t even get that right!) so then you have to take the ferry over to SF. Stupid. Who has time/money to bother with the ferry every single day? The train should have gone to a spot near the GG Bridge where a bus could connect up with it and take the passengers over the Bridge to downtown. But that wouldn’t be sceeeeeeenic and romaaaaaantic enough, would it? freakin’ waste of tax money. Grrr.


6 posted on 02/23/2011 10:44:28 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (March 2010: Congress shoved Obamacare down our throats. November 2010: We will shove it back!)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

Train runs from someplace noone wants to be to someplace noone wants to go.


7 posted on 02/23/2011 10:48:24 PM PST by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

California is dead.

Accept it.


8 posted on 02/23/2011 10:52:24 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

150m spent on wes light rail in Portland when it runs only 8 times a day on weekdays only. A bus costs a fraction of this.
Absurdity rules


9 posted on 02/23/2011 11:06:49 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

Exactly! And this is going to be the same kind of boondoggle. I want to know who’s pushing this Larkspur train deal and getting their cut. I’m sure someone’s getting paid off. Because it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

And yet my neighbors voted for this idiocy. Sigh....


10 posted on 02/23/2011 11:10:19 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (March 2010: Congress shoved Obamacare down our throats. November 2010: We will shove it back!)
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To: Mike Darancette

There may be a couple of people that may want to go to Corcoran to visit their incarcerated relatives, but no one ever goes to Borden. President Palin, please cancel this train to nowhere.


11 posted on 02/23/2011 11:57:22 PM PST by excopconservative
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To: dila813

The Train is a good idea BUT—lets not build this thing until we have a budget surplus! Put it on the back burner. BUT With the price of gas going up, up, up—we may well need a train, a trolley and rickshaws soon enough.


12 posted on 02/24/2011 12:07:08 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
The Train is a good idea BUT—lets not build this thing until we have a budget surplus!

I call for separation of train and state!

13 posted on 02/24/2011 2:20:40 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: dila813

‘______wes light rail in portland.’

I have used the Light Rail in CO when visiting our daughter. Winter and summer.
It’s about a half hour ride from Littleton to Denver - even used it to ‘slum’ around the 16th St. Mall, wearing my McCain buttons, on the last day of the Dems Convention in 2008!
No one cat-called or spat on me.....

A man, of my variety, came up to me and asked who I thought was going to be the V.P. pick.
I eliminated two of the frontrunners, and said to him
‘——and then there’s Sarah Palin.’
He shook my hand and said that was his choice, too.
We parted without even exchanging names!

The next morning I woke up in the guest room, flipped on the T.V., and everyone’s going wild: McCain has named Sarah Palin as his running mate!
How I wished I could have talked once again with that stranger. I can only imagine he was beside himself, too!

Anyway, the Light Rail in Denver runs often and everyday. Hope it’s still true. There are other lines to this train, not just the one I rode.
I have never heard anyone, anywhere, talk about this train.

You should see the Bronco fans park and ride. It’s so convenient to the sport’s fields.
So, I believe that’s one successful train transportation situation.
It actually goes where people want to go - guess that’s the secret alright!


14 posted on 02/24/2011 3:58:07 AM PST by USARightSide (At last! I'm actually here, after reading FR for 6 years! Pardon any fumbles - -)
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bump


15 posted on 02/24/2011 4:50:43 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Mark Landsbaum; Willie Green

Of all the HSR boondoggles, one from nowhere to nowhere is the best, least worst. That way we don’t have to pay for the conductors, or subsidize, for ever, every ticket, every ride. In leftists econ think. We will save money than if the train went from somewhere to somewhere. ( A compromise would be a train from say LA, out into the desert. That would only, about, maybe if the union isn’t too strong, increase costs by half. )

Think like a leftard.


16 posted on 02/24/2011 4:57:12 AM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: USARightSide

I’m not aware of any light passanger train system that even covers its day to day operations costs. Building it, pensions, day to day costs are born by the taxpayers.

IE, the market doesn’t want it, enough to pay for it.


17 posted on 02/24/2011 5:01:20 AM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

178 Billion with a per passenger operating cost higher than an airplane. This train is going to require yearly subsidies in hundreds of millions of dollars.

Do you know how many airplanes and airport improvements could be made with the same amount of money?


18 posted on 02/24/2011 7:41:52 AM PST by dila813
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To: Navy Patriot
Indeed !

Trebuchet

19 posted on 02/24/2011 10:52:24 AM PST by jimt
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To: Leisler

‘______are born by the taxpayers.’

I truly have no idea how the Denver Light Rail operates.

My observation is that it has dense rider-ship, unlike the accusations in other areas of the country where it is said no one will ride the dam_ trains - - -

No way either am I for being forced out of my car into public transportation, but this Denver Light Rail suits my needs when I’m there.

And there’s an awful lot of Denverites whose needs are being met, also, judging by the often packed ‘carriages.’
Haven’t heard of mass begrudging their Light Rail - - -

I’ll ask my daughter and son-in-law the particulars.


20 posted on 02/25/2011 3:11:23 AM PST by USARightSide (At last! I'm actually here, after reading FR for 6 years! Pardon any fumbles - -)
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To: USARightSide

You guys voted a sales tax, on everyone. That money goes to the subsidize the light rail users. Also, state, but more so, federal grants.

Denver Light Rail, like all rail, does not pay for its tracks, cars and the money they get in from passengers doesn’t even pay the day to day operating costs.

It is the public housing of transportation.

Here is a good site that gives you info the MSM won’t about big gov rail.

http://ti.org/antiplanner/?s=light+rail


21 posted on 02/25/2011 5:48:53 AM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: Mark Landsbaum

When it comes to a political project, California’s leaders lack common sense. Building a high speed train along a route that will have no riders and will never be commercially viable is the height of insanity. This at a time when California is struggling to balance its budget and fund more critical needs.

They should just kill this white elephant!


22 posted on 03/12/2011 2:25:42 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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