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Why don't the Pubs in Wisconsin and Indiana just record the RAT Cut and Runners as "NO" votes
vanity | February 24, 2011 | steelers 6

Posted on 02/24/2011 5:35:47 AM PST by Steelers6

How many people on FREEREPUBLIC think they should just hold the vote and either record the RAT Cut and Runners as NO votes, which is accurate or no vote at all and pass the legislation and send it to the Governor.

The Quorum was set up so the Majority couldn't lock out the minority, not have the minority to flee to cause a constitutional crisis.

Are these Senate and House rules or part of their constitutions?


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: house; no; rats; senate; vanity; wisconsinshowdown

1 posted on 02/24/2011 5:35:50 AM PST by Steelers6
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To: Steelers6

Why bother voting period, if someone else is going to divine the intent of the voter? Even stifling the will of the majority. It’s essentially how things are done in California these days.


2 posted on 02/24/2011 5:38:28 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Steelers6
If there is ANY compromise (and there shouldn't be), any legislation should include a "no strike" clause for lawmakers that would force them to forfeit their office if there is an organized "job action" that impedes the business of the state. Maybe that would make a great amendment of the "Budget Repair Act".

The Flee-Baggers' current action is an attempt to nullify the previous election and should be considered an act of sedition and a disenfranchisement of Wisconsin voters.

3 posted on 02/24/2011 5:38:54 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: Steelers6

Truant politicians should be recalled or fired, and indicted.


4 posted on 02/24/2011 5:39:53 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Steelers6

Because their law requires 2/3rds to be present before a vote can be taken. A quorum is called before anything comes for a vote. It isn’t about party, it is about numbers. Just in this case, the D’s pulling out are exactly what was necessary to break the quorum.


5 posted on 02/24/2011 5:42:36 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Is this a constitutional requirement or a Rule of the House and Senate?


6 posted on 02/24/2011 5:44:32 AM PST by Steelers6
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To: Steelers6

Their law specifically requires the use of Robert’s Rules of Order to be the governing practices of all proceedings. Robert’s Rules specifically define quorum rules and how they apply.

It isn’t written in their Constitution, but it is written into their legal code so the latter would need to be changed which, can’t without a quorum. (this was explored on another thread a few days ago).


7 posted on 02/24/2011 5:48:56 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Steelers6

To answer you question, as to why they can’t assume the RATS are ‘No’ votes, or simply voting ‘President’ is because their constitution prohibits this. Consider, you and I and 10 like-minded Conservatives decide to meet in my basement Friday night, to vote on some bills. Why, we have 12 votes and 100% of us agree.

Naturally, that would be wrong; but WAS done in our history by unethical politicians. Secret meetings where the majority party held votes, and the minority party wasn’t even notified that the bill was up for vote - while not common, was not uncommon. That is sleazy politics - something the DEMS would most certainly do, if they were allowed.

So, a Congressman MUST be present. Next at issue was the idea of a Quorum, where a substancial percentage of the Congress is present, and all parties are represented.

Leave it to a RAT to take a rational law, and pervert it.

IMHO, this is ‘Work Abandonment’ - the Congressmen should be ‘fired’ and either have the Govenor appoint new members, or vote new members in.


8 posted on 02/24/2011 5:51:42 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: mnehring

How about a House vote to suspend the rules?


9 posted on 02/24/2011 5:53:07 AM PST by WinMod70
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To: mnehring

What the GOP should do is advance EVERY bill the Rats hate without a financial component. You only need a quorum of 1/2 the Senate for that and the GOP has that.

So every day they should pass another bill:

Voter ID Bill
Concealed Carry
Environmental Regulation
Right to Work
etc etc etc.

The Rats will become frantic and have to return.


10 posted on 02/24/2011 5:53:07 AM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Steelers6

There are no rules in Wisconsin about not showing up for work? Nobody anticipated a legislator would get elected, collect a check and then not show up? Unfortunately there now needs to be rules set up to deal with this situation. If the Democrats win with this tactic the GOP should (and will have to) start doing it too. Too bad they didn’t think about going on vacation when the health care nonsense was forced through Congress...not that that would have stopped the Rats.


11 posted on 02/24/2011 5:55:22 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Hodar
IMHO, this is ‘Work Abandonment’ - the Congressmen should be ‘fired’ and either have the Govenor appoint new members, or vote new members in.

This line brings to mind an announcement Governor Walker just made. He's ordered immediate special elections to replace the three legislators he pulled from the WI congress to be on his cabinet.

Assuming these elections are held immediately, and assuming that republicans fill all three seats...then the count for the quorum goes over what is needed anyway...of course, that's assuming that these three were all senators and not assemblymen.
I'll have to check on that.

12 posted on 02/24/2011 5:58:33 AM PST by Logic n' Reason ("Don't start coloring until you know where the lines go.")
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To: Steelers6
Wisconsins could take a page from how its done in Texas
13 posted on 02/24/2011 5:59:52 AM PST by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: rhombus
Too bad they didn’t think about going on vacation when the health care nonsense was forced through Congress...not that that would have stopped the Rats.

Federal laws are different that state laws.
I'm pretty sure a federal rep running away would have to leave the country...but I'm not sure.

14 posted on 02/24/2011 6:02:25 AM PST by Logic n' Reason ("Don't start coloring until you know where the lines go.")
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To: Steelers6

Why not just deem the lesislation passed.


15 posted on 02/24/2011 6:02:58 AM PST by Carley (WISCONSIN STREET NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: Steelers6

Why not just deem the legislation passed.


16 posted on 02/24/2011 6:03:06 AM PST by Carley (WISCONSIN STREET NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: Steelers6

Why not just deem the legislation passed.


17 posted on 02/24/2011 6:03:06 AM PST by Carley (WISCONSIN STREET NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: Kozak

It is my understanding that the collective bargaining portion of the bill is not a spending vote, which does not require the Dems presence. If they vote to pass that portion, that would take away the reason the Rats need to stay away. They have already agreed to the other parts.


18 posted on 02/24/2011 6:03:17 AM PST by kaki (Lindsay Graham OUT!)
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To: WinMod70
How about a House vote to suspend the rules?

I understand your frustration, and would prefer that the Dems get back to work as soon as possible, but to cast aside the rules to get one's way is how a banana republic operates. Votes on such rules quickly lead to constitutional crises.

The Dems have invited this, but we should be the party upholding what is right...in my opinion.

19 posted on 02/24/2011 6:07:39 AM PST by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Steelers6

Why give such a large no vote count. If you are not at the voting booth you can not vote. There is no law allowing absentee votes.


20 posted on 02/24/2011 6:34:20 AM PST by mountainlion (The government is not my god no matter how much they preach.)
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To: Lou L

We are always the party that tries to “do the right thing”. IM SICK OF IT!!! Arent u sick of getting punched in the balls by the left and asking for more? They railroad all of their stuff through and we still insist on playing by rules that the RATS ignore. Im sorry but its time to fight fire with fire. God the right is sqishy and jelly spined it makes me FRIGGIN SICK!!!


21 posted on 02/24/2011 6:36:13 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: Steelers6

How many ‘think’ it matters what FRposters ‘think’ ?


22 posted on 02/24/2011 6:38:48 AM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: kaki

LIKE!!!


23 posted on 02/24/2011 6:39:15 AM PST by StraightDave (.)
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To: Steelers6

The Republicans in WI are playing by the book primarily for one reason: so that any legislation will not be struck down by the State Supreme Court. Walker and leadership in the assembly and senate have argued that the collective bargaining rights have a fiscal impact on the state and municipal budget. The state senate rules require a quorum of 20 on legislation with a direct fiscal impact on the state, so they need one Dim because there are 19 Republicans.
I’d rather have them get this one right than face the specter of an overturn by the court.


24 posted on 02/24/2011 6:46:31 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Steelers6

The absence of Dem Senators affects only the issue of whether a quorum is present. Federal law says, unless the by-laws of an organization direct otherwise, Roberts Rules of Order shall apply. Roberts says: A quorum is presumed to exist unless the question is raised by a member (Senator in this case). So unless the WI Senate Rules state otherwise and no Repub raises the question, business can proceed with presence of a quorum presumed.


25 posted on 02/24/2011 6:56:07 AM PST by HDCochran
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To: BigSkyFreeper

bttt


26 posted on 02/24/2011 7:17:42 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Steelers6

It’s in the Constitution. Read it some time.


27 posted on 02/24/2011 7:27:44 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Logic n' Reason
I'm pretty sure a federal rep running away would have to leave the country...

They leave the country all the time anyway.

28 posted on 02/24/2011 7:42:37 AM PST by rhombus
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To: hillarys cankles
Arent u sick of getting punched in the balls by the left and asking for more? They railroad all of their stuff through and we still insist on playing by rules that the RATS ignore. Im sorry but its time to fight fire with fire. God the right is sqishy and jelly spined it makes me FRIGGIN SICK!!!

Yes, it frustrates me, I don't disagree. I'm just saying that if we go down the path (of making up the rules as we go along--not following Robert's Rules, doing things by decree, etc.), it's very difficult to ever again play the moral high card. Furthermore, you have to enforce any legislation passed, and that become difficult for a number of reasons.

Once we discard that which makes us reasonably civil and orderly, we are on the path to war. Some people, like our President, would probably welcome that. It may very well be what we need...

29 posted on 02/24/2011 7:49:48 AM PST by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: kaki

Yeah, GOP can advance anything that doesn’t directly involve finance. They need to seize the opportunity.

“Never waste a good crisis”


30 posted on 02/24/2011 8:54:14 AM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: rhombus
They leave the country all the time anyway.

True enough....and we - the taxpayer - are stuck with the bill!!

31 posted on 02/24/2011 11:47:59 AM PST by Logic n' Reason ("Don't start coloring until you know where the lines go.")
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