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Weare Police Charge Man for Recording Traffic Stop (Felony Charges)
Union Leader ^ | February 25, 2011 | Dan O'BRIEN

Posted on 02/25/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by lbryce

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"He was making an audio recording of the officer during a motor vehicle stop without getting consent of the officer," Begin said.

"He was making an audio recording of the officer during a motor vehicle stop without getting consent of the officer," Begin said.

The balls on these cops.

1 posted on 02/25/2011 11:11:15 AM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

cops have an expectation of privacy on the side of a HIGHWAY...?

Can we have sex on the side of the highway? If not, why?

Do we not also have an expectation of privacy?


2 posted on 02/25/2011 11:13:44 AM PST by gaijin
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To: lbryce

Citizens or subjects?


3 posted on 02/25/2011 11:14:21 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: lbryce

You know, at some point this stupidity will begin to cost cities, counties and police dept’s so much money maybe they’ll get the idea and stop it...

None of these cases ever end well for the police, so why do they continue to do it?

Are they truly that dumb?


4 posted on 02/25/2011 11:14:54 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: lbryce
Alleman said he was followed by a police officer when he left the gathering, attended mostly by members of the libertarian activist group, the Free State Project. ....
5 posted on 02/25/2011 11:16:03 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: lbryce

More like the nerve of the prosecutor — if he regularly declined to prosecute such cases then occifers would not dare to suggest it.

Apart from the fine points of legality, there is the obvious point of felony-flation. Keep in mind that the idea of felony evolved in law as the class of crime so evil that it would be worthy of punishment by hanging or other loss of life. Anyone can see that applying such a punishment to an offense (?) such as this fails the laugh test.


6 posted on 02/25/2011 11:16:28 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: lbryce
Police also claim dashboard camera videos of her arrest aren't available because the equipment wasn't working that night. Hipple said police don't have maintenance records to prove the cameras weren't working. How convenient...
7 posted on 02/25/2011 11:17:06 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Erik Latranyi
to serve and protect or to subjugate, violate?
8 posted on 02/25/2011 11:17:31 AM PST by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: lbryce; Little Bill; OCCASparky; mvpel; Jim Noble; catiwompus; Redleg Duke; andy58-in-nh; ...
NH Ping! FReepmail me if you want on or off this list.

Given the prevalence of dashboard cameras, this public servant really has NO right to expect nobody to record his words and deeds while on duty. He can ask the person he pulled over to turn off the phone, but to arrest him for it? Not unless the person he pulled over was somehow interfering, which it doesn't sound like he was doing.
9 posted on 02/25/2011 11:17:51 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"The Weare police are afraid of being accountable," he said.

THAT's the real reason the cops are on this jihad...

10 posted on 02/25/2011 11:17:53 AM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
you pay either way via taxes. they can keep throwing crap against the wall and see what sticks, until/if they are defunded.
11 posted on 02/25/2011 11:18:59 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: lbryce

Do the cops there have in car cameras with audio?


12 posted on 02/25/2011 11:20:02 AM PST by henkster (Before we make any more "investments" we ought to be shown the prospectus.)
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To: gaijin

Heck, you should visit NC. Our State Highway Patrol officers have sex on the side of the highway all the time, or on some back-roads where they administer “breathalyzer” tests to unsuspecting, but agreeable, female lawbreakers.


13 posted on 02/25/2011 11:20:16 AM PST by nesnah
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To: HiTech RedNeck

related:

Jury Nullification Advocate Is Indicted

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2680112/posts


14 posted on 02/25/2011 11:21:33 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: henkster

From reading the above it appears that they do. Therefore, if they don’t get the consent of the motorist, the cops should be arrested and prosecuted for every recording they make.


15 posted on 02/25/2011 11:21:47 AM PST by henkster (Before we make any more "investments" we ought to be shown the prospectus.)
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To: lbryce

Doesn’t there have to be a wire in order to indict somebody for wiretapping? Probably a stupid question, I know.


16 posted on 02/25/2011 11:23:25 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Erik Latranyi

LOL, you’re all missing a bit of context. NH is generally a rural small town affair As such not too much goes on in the way of crime, big cities excepted. Couple that (ie boredom) with raging hormones, super sized egos, badges and guns and the result is documented in the article. I’ve yet to meet a local who didn’t have his head firmly ensconced up his rear-end. We’re talking mall cop fodder here. The state animal cops rank about the same, perhaps slightly higher on the mall-cop scale.


17 posted on 02/25/2011 11:24:39 AM PST by 556x45
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It is the result of a corrupt legal system. Our “man-made” laws not based on Natural Law Theory and God’s Law are unjust and unconstitutional. (Holmes was the one to divorce logic and reason from the laws that is the result of removing it from Natural Law Theory which is where common sense originates.

Lawyers have divorced the laws from Natural Law Theory, something all the Founders agreed would result in political laws—laws that gave some groups power over others and would create inequality under the law. We have unjust laws, which is obvious in thousands of cases. We have created “protected” status for some—which screams unconstitutional. We have to clean up the legal system, before any of the egregious things can be remedied.

Unjust laws cannot prevail without creating chaos and revolutions. But that is what the Marxist legal scholars in the elite universities want and the types appointed by Clinton and Zero want....to create a totalitarian state where they are god and tell us what to use when we wipe our b*tts.


18 posted on 02/25/2011 11:27:36 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: lbryce

`This is the Live Free or Die State.


19 posted on 02/25/2011 11:28:10 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: lbryce

Hey, jack booted thugs.

YOU WORK FOR US.

Oh, and by the way, you’re fired!


20 posted on 02/25/2011 11:29:22 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: lbryce

The balls on these cops.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I’m thinking they’re quite a different organ.


21 posted on 02/25/2011 11:31:13 AM PST by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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To: lbryce

It would be great if we could know what state this was in. Or how about a country? Could you tell us what country this is in? Pretty please?


22 posted on 02/25/2011 11:32:51 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: savagesusie

In this particular instance it seems self serving by the ostensible servants of the government. I could see if you were expected to keep such a recording confidential except to present it in court as evidence or share it with your attorney. But this is jackbootism.

The “felonyness” only adds insult to injury.


23 posted on 02/25/2011 11:35:50 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: thefactor

New Hampster


24 posted on 02/25/2011 11:38:36 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: thefactor

An educated guess is Weare, New Hampshire. (It is annoying how so many online rags don’t state their locale on their home page.)

This is, I believe, near Nashua which is known for its, ahem, gaiety. At least the paper is from Nashua.


25 posted on 02/25/2011 11:39:34 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: FormerACLUmember

State legislators need to be contacted and laws passed.

Every government agent, when representing himself as such,
must be individually identifiable,
must allow recording of his actions, both audio and video,

and should be subject to disciplinary action and criminal liability for thwarting either identification or recording.


26 posted on 02/25/2011 11:40:09 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: 556x45

I was on a business trip to Concord, NH about 8 years ago. I didn’t get to my hotel until late and I was downtown (on a week night) at around midnight looking for a place to eat. 2/3 of the cars on the road and in convenience store parking lots were cop cars. I’ve never seen such a concentration in my life.


27 posted on 02/25/2011 11:43:22 AM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Well that's the thing. Local papers don't need to insert their location. But then the article gets posted on a world-wide forum and no one has any idea where it's from.

That's why posters need to put the state in the keywords section.

28 posted on 02/25/2011 11:46:21 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: 556x45

And let’s not forget that if you DO get pickup on, say, a DUI, you can post bail on the change in your ashtray, if not have the judge cut you R-O-R outright.


29 posted on 02/25/2011 11:48:10 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: lbryce

Take it to court and kick their butt!
They roll dash cams without YOUR consent!


30 posted on 02/25/2011 11:55:47 AM PST by G Larry
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To: RobRoy

They have to look busy & ‘on the job’ ya know. Anything open all night draws ‘em like flies esp places that have doughnuts and/or sugary drinks.

At one of the gun clubs I was a member of they used to allow the local PD to do quals & practice at the indoor range. The cops demanded exclusive access which meant members had to forego for an entire w/e sometimes more depending on the event. Eventually the club got tired of repairing the roof and asked the PD to find another venue. What is it about police work that draws Barney Fife types?


31 posted on 02/25/2011 11:57:27 AM PST by 556x45
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To: Steely Tom

Cell phones are considered wireless wires, for the purpose of the law.


32 posted on 02/25/2011 11:57:47 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
None of these cases ever end well for the police, so why do they continue to do it?

Not true. They almost always end well for the police. The officers in question are never charged, fined, or sued. The TAXPAYERS get it in the shorts when these go to court, but nothing ever (one or two rare instances where this was not true come to mind, but statistically speaking there are no consequences to police) happens to the police involved

33 posted on 02/25/2011 12:00:51 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: 556x45

>>What is it about police work that draws Barney Fife types?<<

It is a great way for an “outcast” to get “authority”. It was what sucked in a lot of brownshirts to the Nazi party. I consider modern cops to be either idiots or brownshirts. Or they just couldn’t find any other job.


34 posted on 02/25/2011 12:02:25 PM PST by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: lbryce

I think I knew the defense attorney growing up - if so he is a hard working homeschooled conservative who will fight for this guy and others.


35 posted on 02/25/2011 12:03:13 PM PST by JenB
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To: mamelukesabre
Cell phones are considered wireless wires, for the purpose of the law.

Of course. That makes perfect sense. I knew it was a stupid question.

Why not also consider the police car to be a court house, and consider the policeman to be a fully robed judge? The cruiser's glove compartment could be considered the judge's chambers. That would make sense too, wouldn't it?

36 posted on 02/25/2011 12:04:09 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: lbryce
he was followed by a police officer when he left the gathering [convened to criticize the police]

And then he was stopped, and then arrested for recording a public servant performing his duties in a public setting? Harrassment, violation of civil rights, nail this jackboot to the wall!

37 posted on 02/25/2011 12:08:18 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: RobRoy

LOL, I always thought it had something to do w/ size of a particular part of the anatomy coupled w/ an inferiority complex. Frankly, the majority of cops aren’t suited to the job mentally and/or physically. Their bad and sometimes criminal behavior is enabled by town councils and state legislatures. At least in NH if half disappeared overnight the only way you’d (eventually) figure it out is by a surplus of $ in the towns payroll acct.


38 posted on 02/25/2011 12:12:51 PM PST by 556x45
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Weare, NH is correct.

However, The Union Leader is a conservative newspaper from Manchester, NH.

Keep in mind that most of these small town cops did not graduate at the top of the police academy. The smart cops end up working for the state police , then the bigger cities like Manchester, Nashua ,Portsmouth or Concord and then the richer towns like Hollis, Bedford, Rye, Windham and Amherst. If he ended up working in Weare, he is probably not the sharpest tool in the shed.


39 posted on 02/25/2011 12:17:31 PM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Your point being?


40 posted on 02/25/2011 12:37:11 PM PST by Durus (Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lbryce

Sue for false arrest and imprisonment!


41 posted on 02/25/2011 12:41:58 PM PST by devistate one four ( AARP: Anti America Retired People Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: lbryce
Wait a minute

A cop can record me (we see these all the time on tv) as evidence I may be committing a crime?

The city government can record me (traffic cam) as evidence I may be committing a crime?

The store can record me (shoplifting) as evidence I may be committing a crime? ...

Ever body can record me ..all without my permission...as evidence I may be committing a crime?

But I can not record any evidence to defend myself against the charge I may have committed the crime?

42 posted on 02/25/2011 12:49:47 PM PST by tophat9000 (.............................. BP + BO = BS ...........................Formula for a disaster...)
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The cops don’t want you recording them because its shedding light upon their criminal actions causing them and their unions great grief...


43 posted on 02/25/2011 12:53:59 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: Durus
Your point being?

One that obviously passes your understanding...

44 posted on 02/25/2011 12:55:26 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: lbryce

They don’t have ‘balls’. They have a lack of integrity, respect for their profession and an aggregiously blatant disrepect for those they protect. Most have self-image and control issues and something about how their mommy and daddy treated them when they were in shorts.


45 posted on 02/25/2011 12:59:47 PM PST by Gaffer (A Democrat is an animal that escaped extinction from the 'big dinosaur-killer' event.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Sounds like Deprivation of Civil Rights under Color of Law and Official Oppression.


46 posted on 02/25/2011 1:05:06 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: tophat9000

Don’t forget phone calls being recorded “for quality control purposes”; once, when esp. bored on some insane phone call to golly knows where, the person asked if it was OK if they recorded the conversation. I replied “Certainly. I record all my phone calls as well.”

Full stop. “You mean... You’re recording this right now?” “Oh, absolutely - you don’t mind do you?” After tweaking with them, THEY claimed that ME recording was “against company policy” and they hung up right away.


47 posted on 02/25/2011 1:17:01 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: HiTech RedNeck; woodbutcher1963
You guessed right, but exposed yourself as the “Luddite redneck”.

Gee you'd think a learned person would recognize Weare, NH as the home of a US Supreme Court Justice Souter. Deeply enmeshed in the eminent domain ruling, such that the people up here tried to seize his home using the same arguments. Look it up.

Oh, yeah, that “rag” is the Manchester Union Leader. World Famous, just not in your little world. Once called Reagan a liberal!! That far right. Also, torpedoed Ed Muskey campaign, long ago. ( I go back that far)

Nashua, the “Gate city” (on the border with MA, not the “gay city”, get you ears cleaned out!) The problem with Nashua is illegals overflowing from MA. I can remember when signs were in English and French (french Canadians), think there are some churches that still hold services in french.

OK, Nashua= Gate city, Manchester is the “Queen City”, look it up. The “gaiety you seek is on the coast, all 18 miles of it. Try Portsmouth.

The “rag” from Nashua is the “Nashua Telegraph”, total liberal paper. Wouldn't line a birdcage with it, that would be redundant!

Before you besmirch Nashua any further, “Money” magazine called it the best city in the US to live TWICE in ten years. Had to stop identifying cities and switched to “regions after that.

Weare is “small town”, think Mayberry. NH has had some difficulty with the “wiretap” issue. Since I'm in the same county, maybe I can be on the jury and let FR what happens!

Have fun. Rohn

48 posted on 02/25/2011 1:28:35 PM PST by rohn (Vote for the liars, they promised us more!)
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To: lbryce

If there is tape of the interaction, Officer X can no longer rely on the court to take his word over that of the accused simply because he’s one of The Brotherhood..

Once an officer is faced with his own words or image on a tape, that officer can no longer lie with impunity.

It’s as simple as that.


49 posted on 02/25/2011 1:43:30 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Are they truly that dumb?

Believe!

50 posted on 02/25/2011 2:43:27 PM PST by Rapscallion (The founders gave us the tool of impeachment for a reason. Now more than ever.)
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