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Posted on 02/25/2011 5:08:40 PM PST by IYAS9YAS
SOUTHERN NEW MEXICANS TO RALLY TO KEEP GILA ROADS OPEN
Congressman Steve Pearce Expected to Attend, Along With Hundreds of New Mexicans
Las Cruces, NM (February 25, 2011) Hundreds of New Mexicans are expected to rally in Silver City on Saturday, March 5th against the U.S. Forest Services plans to close access roads inside the Gila Forest. The rally will take place starting at noon at the Silver City Convention Center.
This is the time to come together and say, enough is enough, Congressman Steve Pearce told about 100 residents of Truth or Consequences Thursday night. It is time for the Forest Service to keep those roads open to the public. This is about an attempt to take away another of our freedoms as Americans.
The meeting in Truth or Consequences Thursday night was organized by the new group, Keep Our Forest Open. It was created by individuals that have voiced frustration over the Forest Services proposed Travel Management Plan, which calls for thousands of miles of roads inside the Gila to be closed.
Can we count on you to be at the rally March 5th in Silver City? Reverend Mike Skidmore asked at the meeting. Nearly every hand was raised. Were just regular people leading everyday lives, but its time for folks like us to rise up and let our voice be heard, said Skidmore. We are against the Forest Service taking away our access, and we need to let them know it.
Congressman Pearce is expected to be one of several speakers at the rally in Silver City. The Keep Our Forest Open organization said it is working with other organizations that use the forest, including ATV users, hunting and gun clubs, Tea Party activists, and other concerned citizens. All are planning to rally March 5th in Silver City, just two days before the deadline set by the Forest Service for public comments to be made on the issue.
I see everyday people getting energized and motivated to get involved when their freedoms are being threatened such as with the proposed road closures, Pearce said. It is amazing what can happen when citizens want freedom. These organizations in New Mexico are gathering momentum, and I anticipate the Forest Service will hear the voices of freedom at the March 5th rally.
Attention NM Freepers!
“I anticipate the Forest Service will hear the voices of freedom at the March 5th rally.”
Everyone here should know that libtards are deaf.
If this ruling had been in effect several years ago, a much larger acreage on the NW side of the forest -- and maybe a few towns -- would've been lost to the flames.
There are even national forest personnel who resist these rulings because of their adverse impact on fire-fighting.
The U.S. Forest Service is incompetent to manage the forests they have been given responsibility for.
Will the folks attending the rally be passing a hat for the maintenance of the roads? Is closing the roads part of budget cutting? Why are the feds paying for this road that locals seem most interested in?
To keep the marajuania fields operating for the meixcan cartel?
The roads were closed by regulations when they shouldhave been closed by Congress. Just as the EPA is closing coal mines.
It is another of Obama’s takeover by regulation , Its for the Greenies and you cry about fixing the roads.
Weare being dictated to by Obama. stop moaning about paying for a few roads.
I live in SC and don’t want to pay for roads in New Mexico so locals can run around on ATVs or shoot varmits. If Congress isn’t closing these roads they should be. My state and community should be maintaining my roads in my region and New Mexico should be handling New Mexico. It’s certainly not Obama’s intent, but anytime the Feds cut something out, we win.
Because the roads provide access for fire-fighting. And, in small fires, serve as effective fire breaks.
The roads are already there. The Forestry Service proposes to close them. Which has absolutely zilch to do with budget-cutting -- only with blocking access and serving the enviro-whackos' purpose.
If you believe otherwise, you are grossly misinformed.
Fantastic. You can think of a good reason to keep these roads open, great, dip into your wallet and buy them from the feds. They’s be glad to give up the maintenance and headaches.
This isn’t about maintaining roads, this is about restricting access to public land by the Forest service. Clinton pulled this crap when he was in office, now Obama is doing the same. This is done to apease the the tree hugger crowd. I realize you guys on the East Coast don’t have the huge swaths of federal land that we do out west, and you really don’t have all the info on the crazy things the govt tries to pull.
Great idea. Then, let's buy the National Forests, too.
Failing that, the federal government remains responsible for fire-fighting and allowing access.
I would bet there are some federal parks in SC that could be closed.
but you are entitled to your opinion.
And I’m in favor of closing them as well. There’s lot to see and preserve in SC and I think we here in SC should do it. I pay for mine, you pay for yours.
IF the locals want to close access to “federal” parkland, then ,fine, close it.
It’s when the feds miles from NM or SC decide to close areas without local consent that freedom is snatched away.
Look at how the feds are destroying central CA to save a damn fish!
I lived in SC for a while. There aren’t that many roads in the forest there to begin with. This is part of the ongoing policy of the FedGov to close off Federal lands to access.
There should not be a federal road or park. You take it over and maintain it.
You're entitled to your opinion. Indeed, I share it.
But, unfortunately, that doesn't cut any ice right now.
You’re right, the individual states should take over the land and take care of it.
But the Fed’s will have none of that!
Nationwide the Fed’s have gone crazy the last couple of years closing public land to public access... and it has very little to do with anything but control. They still allow loggers to open those roads up to log, but you sure can’t go in there to recreate in any form but walking.
I’ve been in National Forests in about 20-30 states in the last two years... and everywhere the Fed’s have gone crazy.
If they even bother to hold the required public hearings, they just ignore the public anyway. They have an agenda, and to hell with the public! They are going to do what they want to do....
In Idaho this past summer I wanted to travel this nice gravel road over the mountains to Montana... but the Fed’s closed it 2 years ago to ‘improve the bear habitat’! That road was still listed on the National Forest maps for the area, and they hadn’t gotten around to publish the REQUIRED MVUM (motorized vehicle usage maps) for that area... even though they were required to do so by a 2006 lawsuit. They claimed they didn’t have the funds to publish the maps, but they did have the funds to close the road... sheesh!
So while I understand that you don’t want to pay to maintain roads in another state, the people in that other state are NOT being afforded the opportunity to take over that road themselves.
And we all are being required to pay to maintain roads in other states... mostly by federal gas taxes, but also with general taxes. For example, the Interstate highway system - which was built by the Feds to be military roads - and they being ‘military’ roads is how they imposed them on the states.
During WWII the feds took (long term lease at well below market values) the land of 100+ ranchers in NM for White Sands missile range. it is over 7,000 sq. miles. That is the size of New Jersey.
I say if we want to reduce the national debt we should have a 50 year plan to sell off these extra lands. (oh and give the ranchers their land back).
Not that they are the last word, but the Wikipedia entry excerpts below are fairly accurate as far as I am aware. These are Federal lands - owned by the Feds and managed by the Feds for public use of their resources. Out West here, the fact that the Feds have commandeered so much of the land, and then refuse the taxpayers access to the intended use of the land is a big deal.
“National Forests are largely forest and woodland areas owned by the federal government and managed by the United States Forest Service, part of the United States Department of Agriculture. Land management of these areas focuses on timber harvesting, livestock grazing, water, wildlife, and recreation. Unlike national parks and other federal lands managed by the National Park Service, commercial use of national forests is permitted, and in many cases encouraged. National Forests are categorized by the World Commission on Protected Areas as IUCN Category VI (Managed Resource Protected Area).
“The National Forest System was created by the Land Revision Act of 1891.
“In the United States there are 155 National Forests containing almost 190 million acres (297,000 mi²/769 000 km²) of land. These lands comprise 8.5 percent of the total land area of the United States, an area about the size of Texas. Some 87 percent of National Forest land lies west of the Mississippi River; Alaska alone accounts for 12 percent of all National Forest land.”
“buy them from the feds. Theys be glad to give up the maintenance and headaches.”
There is a plan, though you hear little of it these days, to return our part of the continent to wilderness, with humans confined to a few cities linked by “corridors.”
The rapacious acquisition of land by the bureaucrats is in support of that agenda.
It was usually discussed together with the plan to get Americans out of their cars by running up the price of gasoline so high that no one could afford to drive.
The fedgov should close the roads leading to Manchester State Park, Sandhills National Wildlife Refuge, Wateree and Marion Lakes. Francis Marion and
Sumter National Forests access roads should be locked.
“The fedgov should close the roads leading to Manchester State Park, Sandhills National Wildlife Refuge, Wateree and Marion Lakes. Francis Marion and
Sumter National Forests access roads should be locked.”
And the properties should be tiurned back over to the states for us to determine if we even want to keep them or sell them to private entities.
I agree. But it will take forever to get the feds off our backs!
YEP the feds fight like hell to maintain control over the land they have and are always looking to take more land where they can. Can you imagine if they put that kind of effort into controlling the border, their actual job?
It is funny reading all the complaints from people about Fed funding of roads in the National Forests. Without the roads there would be no access to logging or mining which both pay way more into the Fed coffers than a little “road maintenance” takes out. Anyway, I have traveled thousands of miles on roads in the National Forests and I have yet to see any road maintenance being done. However, I do occasionally see a few Forest Service employees driving around doing nothing at our expense.
These bondholders will probably get a lot of this locked up land (as well as locked up petroleum and mineral reserves) traded back as payment for our unpayable national debts.
No sense letting the lumpen-proletariat get used to using this "public" land, can we? These shlubbs might object even louder when it happens.
We already own those parks. The feds nationalized them to maintain them for our benefit. They never paid New Mexico for them. And now they are keeping us out because they can't afford to keep the up?
When did the government get so thrifty?
There is virtually no upkeep to the old roads; it will cost a more to build fences and signs to keep the off-roaders and campers out. Then the only people using the area will be the illegals and drug smugglers.
The area around Columbus N.M. used to be a primary route for drug smugglers. It was called the Columbus Air Force because there were so many light planes landing on the roads at night to drop off loads of drugs to waiting vehicles. Now they are proposing to lock out our law enforcement too?
The fees the feds collect more than cover any "maintenance" for these roads. They're dirt. Often, those who use the roads for business purposes (farmers and ranchers who may hold grazing permits) pay fees. Those who hunt and fish on federal lands pay access fee for every license they hold. Campers pay fees to camp in campgrounds, those fees cover the costs of maintaining the campgrounds and access to them. These roads are more than paid for by those who use them.
Often, these roads were also built and maintained by logging companies. Once the logging is/was complete, the Forest Service takes over. There was no money invested by the Forest Service to build the roads to begin with. There is very little maintenance performed, dollar wise, on these roads.
I usually return to Texas from Spring training via Columbus.
Lawdie, is that an empty part of the world. It would be so easy to just walk into the country. Or find an empty road to land on...
No forests around there, though, that's for sure.
That map was from 2004....I would really HATE to see a current one.
How much of SC is federal land? I thought so.
For someone who lives in a state where <3% of the land is owned by the federal government to give flack to those worried about access in a state where the feds own 42% (48% in Arizona and 57% in Utah) takes more balls than brains.
If the feds want to let the state take over, fine! But for the federal government in DC to decide to shut off access that already exists for much of the land in the west is obscene!
Most of the roads in federal land in the west are built by private money - loggers and ranchers. The fees paid by ranchers and loggers covers the maintenance and more.
That’s my opinion also, and to do it by fiat of an agency instead of law by Congress is BS.
Spending taxpayer money on the favorite social programs of the demons is what prevents the necessary resources for the upkeep of our national parks and infrastructure.
But I bet they have one heckuva 'Diversity' training program!
This is the intention of the various Fed agencies, especially Dept. Interior to prohibit access to “their” land and criminalized citizens who attempt to do so. It is NOT thought of as the citizen’s land any longer, it belongs to the Fed agencies, well, them and the UN.
We’ve been seeing this coming for a long time. USFWS will also use their powers to restrict, bar and criminalize citizens under the Endangered Species Act which they tried in 33 counties in Texas in the 80s. They’ll be coming back again for a replay.
Got an update from Steve Pearce’s press secretary on the rally time and place. It’s at noon on the 5th at the Silver City Convention Center (East Highway 180 and 32nd street). I’m not familiar with Silver City, but 180 is what comes into town from the south off I-10. From I-25 take 152 west to 180 (they form a “Y” just east of town).