Posted on 02/26/2011 6:14:00 PM PST by little jeremiah
IBTPD
In Before the Prostitution Defenders.
If ever there was a reason to keep prostitution illegal, this sort of nonsense is it. It was so predictable, and yet when warned, the PD’S deny that their stand would ever lead to it.
Just as the sodomite movement denied all the things we predicted it would bring about that it did.
An incomplete list would include factors like:
Regaining a sense of control over their sexuality.
A need for the another person to be in control in sex.
A thrill from something risky.
An ingrained belief that they somehow “deserve” to be used.
Seeking death.
Inability to achieve orgasm with someone they are also emotionally intimate with.
They blot out some other hurt when they have sex.
Inability to connect with other people emotionally outside of sexuality.
I could make this list go on and on.
Many of them are unstable and will have different reasons for doing the same thing at different times.
Not only is it not always about the money, for most of them the money is toxic. It accuses them and they blow it frivolously as fast as it comes in.
The child victims, of course, aren't given a choice and someone else is getting the money.
An incomplete list would include factors like:
Regaining a sense of control over their sexuality.
A need for the another person to be in control in sex.
A thrill from something risky.
An ingrained belief that they somehow “deserve” to be used.
Seeking death.
Inability to achieve orgasm with someone they are also emotionally intimate with.
They blot out some other hurt when they have sex.
Inability to connect with other people emotionally outside of sexuality.
I could make this list go on and on.
Many of them are unstable and will have different reasons for doing the same thing at different times.
Not only is it not always about the money, for most of them the money is toxic. It accuses them and they blow it frivolously as fast as it comes in.
The child victims, of course, aren't given a choice and someone else is getting the money.
IMHO...
There is a seamy, ugly underworld which starts out with clubbing and nightlife and ends up in prostitution, drugs, crime and death. This lifestyle is glamorized and encouraged by public schools, big business, government and media. I agree that many prostitutes undoubtedly have all sorts of emotional and mental problems. The Julia Roberts prostitute character is completely unrealistic and a perfect example of the glamorization and encouragement by big business and the media.
For whatever reason, mental problem, whatever, some people are promiscuous; there is no law that can be passed that will preventatively fix people’s minds so that no one is promiscuous. Yes, I agree that most of that behavior is rooted in other life problems, but again, legislation can’t fix those life problems.
Legislation certainly can make prostitution illegal and indeed it has in the U.S. except for a few locations in Nevada. Trouble is in some parts of the country enforcement is not vigorous enough. Lodi, NJ had the “massage parlor” that everyone knew about for years before it was shut down.
When prostitutes are prosecuted and locked up it does not fix the underlying life problems, so they often return to the same line of work when their sentence is served.
Trying to lock up every pimp will just cause other people to jump into their role to replace them as the prostitutes needs a pimp of some kind. It is very difficult for a woman to be a prostitute without a pimp - they have trouble getting paid, they just would be raped and sometimes beaten or killed, since their customers are immoral. Obviously this is not to say that a pimp is a hero, the pimp is a whoremonger which is sinful and criminal. I’m just saying arresting the pimp and letting them go when their sentence is served, or shutting down one location is not a vigorous enforcement of the law and does not do much to slow down their business.
So my point was that we are left with the customers, the “johns”. Vigorously arresting and prosecuting them is the most effective way to thwart the prostitution industry. And the evidence is clear: in towns where there are no men seeking prostitutes, there is no prostitution. When the customers go away, the whole business ends. The girls may be “easy” due to their mental problems, but no one will pay them for sex.
IMHO...
Relax. It isn't. This is propaganda that gets posted all the time by dishonest advocates who want to scare little old ladies out of their money. "13 year old Prostitues" Yeah, you see that all the time. In Bangkok, maybe. This is like "2nd hand smoke". You repeat the ridiculous often enough and some people will believe it.
“Relax. It isn’t. This is propaganda that gets posted all the time by dishonest advocates who want to scare little old ladies out of their money. “13 year old Prostitues” Yeah, you see that all the time. In Bangkok, maybe. This is like “2nd hand smoke”. You repeat the ridiculous often enough and some people will believe it.”
Awww come on .......... We all know that the lib-tards aren’t like that besides they’ve moved on to 3rd hand smoke now.
Either way, changing the status is good.
Of course, unlike second hand smoke you get empirical evidence to prove this if you look at Any study done by the penal system or at FBI collated statistics, or if you check with organizations that help people leave the sex industry (Such as The Silver Braid run by Anne Bissel or Sex Workers Anonymous run by Jody Williams). But hey, aside from all the actual studies done on actual prostitutes, it does appear to be made up.
These prostitution threads are very enlightening.
As in, turning on a light in the closet and seeing how many cockroaches are in there.
You only beat them by 5 posts. Their participation is light this time.
The mods are getting better at preventing retreads.
Prevention, eh?
Excellent and accurate analysis! But not one most Americans take seriously anymore, is it? That’s why it is not just descriptive but prophetic.
Greetings, madprof98!
I think Americans (and others) will remember this again, by force. Mother Nature will force everyone to, if they don’t want to voluntarily.
You make excellent points.
My only disagreement would be regarding jail time; I think public caning or flogging, plus a notice in the newspaper with photo etc would be more effective and also much cheaper. The pimps should get the same treatment.
Exactly. Public opprobrium alone kept much of this type of behavior from happening, plus or rather founded by the general appreciation of the need for moral behavior, and the education and upbringing most people had.
Currently, the drug trade, from what I have read, enriches many banks and thus elites in power, so they have no reason to stop it or enforce existing laws, and keeping the borders open assists the drug trade tremendously.
So my plan which of course will never happen until the elites are out of power, is to make all drugs and alcohol illegal except home growing or brewing, solely for personal use. IOW, if a person wants to grow opium poppies or marijuana, or brew liquor, fine; but it must be for home consumption only, no selling or "giving away". Anyone selling would get the public caning or flogging, and buyers as well. Increasing stripes with further offenses; perhaps after the second or third, execution.
I'm not kidding.
If anyone could grow/brew, it would take all the money out if it, and public pain and shame would be a huge deterrent especially if the business was small and profits tiny.
I include liquor because it is in truth just about as dangerous to many, and it's only fair! :-)
o my plan which of course will never happen until the elites are out of power, is to make all drugs and alcohol illegal except home growing or brewing, solely for personal use. IOW, if a person wants to grow opium poppies or marijuana, or brew liquor, fine; but it must be for home consumption only, no selling or "giving away". Anyone selling would get the public caning or flogging, and buyers as well. Increasing stripes with further offenses; perhaps after the second or third, execution.
So you have conceded the moral argument, declaring psychotropics as perfectly fine as long as one does it for themselves. In place, you have criminalized the Free Market for this category of otherwise perfectly legal and morally pure products. That is messed up. Are you a Libertarian?
The problems with that are legion. How does one enforce this? If you make this killer batch of heroin and invite people to come on over and watch you get stoned, how do you not share without facing a possible execution? Do each of your pals have to bring their own drugs? And while high, how do you make sure someone doesn't get into your stash? What keeps your kids or a burglar from snatching it and distributing it? Kids can deal and be exempt from caning, flogging and execution under our current juvenile system.
What about the people who live in apartments/condos inhospitable climates for growing? Can these people form co-ops, and how do you avoid poaching? Birds and animals aren't the only critters able to jump a fence and perform an early harvest. Only landowners can do this? Will HOAs have authority over your backyard garden?
The various States make millions in tax revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages, and for many people and many cultures, enjoying a fine wine with a meal will now result in possible disfiguration and death. Do you really think that decent wine can be made by anyone, anywhere?
What about the learning curve in cooking meth? Can a person now freely purchase ephedra and the other controlled ingredients? For a novice cook, is it a criminal offense to recruit a mentor so that one doesn't blow themselves up? How deep does the stack of dead bodies have to get from making bad batches or lethal doses before society agrees that this idea is ridiculous?
The Mafia and NASCAR are children of Prohibition, under your plan, what other industries would be formed?
I don’t think you really want my answers.
Here’s just a few of them:
1. Only marijuana and opium poppies for opium use; heroin and meth would be automatic caning or flogging; second offense execution.
2. If people reallly want to get stupid, they’ll figure out a way to grow their own. If they can’t tough luck.
3. Brewing liquor isn’t hard, anyone can learn if they have a few wits. If they can’t brew the best, more tough luck.
Morally pure? Your opinion only.
It won’t work as things are currently because governments and elites make tons of money, legally and illegally.
My plan makes sense because it gives an opportunity for those determined to use, to be able to use, but prevents them to induce others to use; and the profit will be taken out of the picture.
And I consider Libertarianism the ultra fringe kook anarchy wing of the Left. So no, I am not a Libertarian, large L or small.
I, too, am always puzzled by the supposed “Libertarian” argument that prostitution should be legalized so that the Government can “tax and regulate it.”
Say what?! That’s not any kind of “Libertarian” argument I’ve ever heard! It’s not only illogical, it’s also contradictory and immoral to boot!
A Libertarian, in order to be consistent, must either hold to a “Moral Libertarianism,” which respects the clear moral standards upon which our society was and is based (Judeo-Christianity); or they must adopt an AMORAL Libertarianism which restricts no immoral act, nor does it regulate, legislate nor tax said acts. Of course, if they hold to this kind of “Libertarianism,” it is no longer a TRUE, principled Libertarianism, but more an Anarchy of sorts, a chaos over which there are few if any governing forces. And we know that these states of chaos cannot survive for long, because nature abhors a vacuum. Something or someone WOULD bring order....
Most “Libertarians” today try to play somewhere in the middle of these two concepts — but they cannot and have a consistent and coherent political ideology and governing philosophy. One cannot be for “legalized prostitution” and “regulation and taxation of prostitution.” One cannot be “Pro-Choice” and yet “Pro-Life.” This is simply ideological schizophrenia.
(Good post, retired detective who agrees 100% with your comments)
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