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Coupon Users Furious Over Proposed Tax (New CT dem Gov want to tax EVERYTHING)
Courant.com ^ | February 27, 2011 | N/A

Posted on 02/28/2011 11:42:57 AM PST by raybbr

HARTFORD (AP) — Devotees of coupons and discounts are angry at Gov. Dannel P. Malloy's proposal to slap a new sales tax on the original price of a good or service rather than the discounted price.

Ending the sales tax exemptions for coupons, discounts and automobile trade-ins are among tax exemptions Malloy has proposed ending to help close the state's projected $3.5 billion deficit. For example, the tax would be imposed on the $30 price of a blouse, not the $15 sales price.

Gina Juliano learned firsthand after she lost her job in 2009 as a vice principal in the Hartford Public Schools that coupons and sales can help a family make ends meet. She cut her budget for food, toiletries, pet supplies and paper goods from between $200 and $300 a week to $50. [Sample Our Free Connecticut Business Midday Newsletter]

"I turned to coupons because I would have had to lose my house and everything. I wouldn't have been able to survive," said Juliano, who now writes a blog in Connecticut called Gina's Kokopelli that tracks coupons, sales and bargains for other shoppers.

Like many avid couponers, Juliano pays little or nothing for items after matching coupons with sales. For example, she recently used a $3 coupon to buy a bottle of Gain fabric softener that was on sale for $2.99 at Rite Aid.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: dannelmalloy; fairtax; salestax
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Car dealers also are concerned about Malloy's plans to end the sales tax exemption for auto trade-ins, a proposal that would raise $81.8 million over two years. Currently, consumers pay tax on a new car minus the value of a car they are trading in to the dealer. Under this proposal, that trade-in — essentially a coupon against the price of the new car — would no longer count.

According to what I've read the buyer would also be taxed on the difference between the sticker price and the sale price...

1 posted on 02/28/2011 11:43:02 AM PST by raybbr
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2 posted on 02/28/2011 11:45:22 AM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: raybbr

Holy cow. The burden on both the consumer and business will likely cause the state to implode. Additionally the administration costs needed to monitor all this will outweigh the revenue.


3 posted on 02/28/2011 11:45:57 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: raybbr

I wonder who is doing the most complaining? The Dem’s that voted for him naturally.


4 posted on 02/28/2011 11:46:32 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: raybbr
Why not just start siphoning money straight from people's savings accounts?

If they have money in the bank, they obviously have more than they need, and it needs to be redistributed to people who spend every penny they get their hands on.

5 posted on 02/28/2011 11:46:32 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: raybbr

I can’t think of a better way for the Democrats to endear themselves with women. Keep it up Dems. You’re in charge. Don’t let anyone forget.


6 posted on 02/28/2011 11:51:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...)
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To: raybbr

Vote for the Dem, suffer by the Dem.


7 posted on 02/28/2011 11:51:38 AM PST by tflabo
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To: PJ-Comix

Heads up


8 posted on 02/28/2011 11:52:40 AM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

In the tradition of Morton’s Fork in English history. Morton was Lord Chancellor for Henry VII, and raised money for the king by forced loans from the nobility. If you lived extravagantly, obviously you had money and could make a loan to the king. If you lived frugally, obviously you were saving money and could make a loan to the king.


9 posted on 02/28/2011 11:55:55 AM PST by omega4412
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To: ilgipper

Sure, let’s reprogram every cash register and web page in Connecticut. I’ll have it done by tomorrow for free.


10 posted on 02/28/2011 11:59:33 AM PST by glorgau
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To: raybbr

I love using coupons, but you rarely find what you want when you want it. I found my self with a lot of free stuff I never wanted anyway, and nothing I did want.

While free stuff is great- it is not free if it takes 4 hours of your time each week (at my pay rate thats a more than than any coupon savings)

I found the best way is to stock up on sales of items you DOD use.

For example, when laundry detergent is buy-one-get-one-free you get a whole case (50% savings over a year) You probably wont see it on sale like that again until you run out.

By the end of a year I have a good couple of cases stocked up of a bunch of things I use all the time, at 50% off (or more)

I have about 12 whole pork loins in my freezer (a foot and a half long each) that I got buy-1-get-1 and thats about my whole years needs for pork.

I found myself needing to shop about once a month (except for quick run-in for fresh veggies and meat)


11 posted on 02/28/2011 12:04:03 PM PST by Mr. K (Job #1 is to DEFUND THE LEFT~!!!!)
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To: raybbr

I am NOT opposed to the idea of taxing the “sale price” of an item, before the coupons are applied. The coupons are a way for the manufacturer to give you back some money, so the “price” of the item is still the same. It would be a little odd that two people would buy the same jar of peanut butter and one would pay more sales tax than the other, simply becuase the other was smart enough to get a coupon (which saved them money on the purchase).

On the other hand, I would strongly oppose taxing the “suggested retail value” rather than the sales price for an item; if the store sells something to everybody at a certain price, THAT is what the item is worth, and that is what tax should be paid on, not some artificial price.

And I oppose (less strongly) taxing car purchases without regard to trade-in value. When the old car was purchased, sales tax was paid. The residual value of the car is a value that is being provided to the dealer as part of the purchase, and it represents an already-taxed value which should not be taxed again.

I say “less strongly” because from a logical perspective, you can argue that the sales price of the car is the total value given for the car, which means both the money and the trade-in. The trade-in has a cash value, and if we ignore that it was already taxed, it is simply another way to meet the purchase price of the car.

But COUPONS? they have no value — they say so right on the coupons, their cash value is virtually nil. You could sell your used car, and then take the cash and more cash and buy a new car.

Again, from a “comparison” argument — it doesn’t makes sense for two people buying the same car for the same total price to pay two different sales tax values, simply because one person sold his used car to the dealer, and another sold it to his neighbor for the same price.

BTW, part of this argument would hinge on whether the purchaser of a used car has to pay sales tax. If the dealership sells that used car and the purchaser pays sales tax, it makes no sense that the person trading it in had to pay sales tax. AND, if the private purchaser (the next-door neighbor) had to pay sales tax to register the car), the seller should have been able to deduct that when buying his next car.

But in the end, it’s kind of silly to try to argue taxes logically; the state legislators, elected by the people, decide how the people would like to pay for their government, and if the people don’t like it, they should vote the legislators out of office.

I would still argue though the consumate principle of taxes — they should be fairly and evenly applied to all people in similar circumstances. Two people making the same purchase with comparable circumstance should pay the same tax.


12 posted on 02/28/2011 12:05:35 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I love it.


13 posted on 02/28/2011 12:07:27 PM PST by scooby321
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To: Mr. K

Brilliant way to use coupons!

I somehow don’t think the captains of industry worry much about coupons. It is the mom, housewife/husband(PC) who is most likely to use them along with retirees and students.

This is JUST the group who we need to make pay their fair share right???


14 posted on 02/28/2011 12:11:20 PM PST by BillM
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To: raybbr

Note that Malloy has LOTS of aggressive plans to increase taxes.

He has shown much less aggression in regards to cutting back on spending.


15 posted on 02/28/2011 12:15:53 PM PST by kidd
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To: raybbr

Connecticut is a small state.

It wouldn’t take much to motivate me to cross a state line and buy my goods, with cash.

This will kill business.


16 posted on 02/28/2011 12:18:34 PM PST by kidd
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To: raybbr

Malloy just added more fuel to the fire at his upcoming town hall meetings. That’s assuming his union goons don’t try to stifle any dissenting points of view.


17 posted on 02/28/2011 12:23:54 PM PST by Defend Liberty
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To: raybbr
For example, the tax would be imposed on the $30 price of a blouse, not the $15 sales price.

Anyone in the northern half of Connecticut who doesn't take a trip every once in a while to Massachusetts for clothes is crazy. Almost all clothing and shoes under $175 (each) are tax exempt in MA.

18 posted on 02/28/2011 12:30:42 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Mr. K

Sounds like you were doing some undisciplined couponing. You don’t have to waste your time going out to grab everything that’s ‘free’.

I’m spending a few hours every week in my off hours, but I’m finding that I now pay NOTHING for most household items. I pay nothing for paper products, soap, cat food, cleaning products, junky snack crap that my wife eats, and all toiletries. All that through couponing combined with sales. To work deals, you often have to end up with products you don’t want, but you only do that because it’s part of a larger deal to get you the things that you DO want.

Last month, a deal that I did caused me to end up with a whole lot of sticks of Dove deodorant, which we don’t use. However, that deal got me several month’s worth of cat food, a year’s supply of deodorant and toothpaste that are the brands we like, a bunch of free light bulbs, some cold medicine that my wife uses, several cases of Diet Coke, 16 rolls of paper towels, and a whole lot of laundry detergent.

I’ve got a similar deal going on now and a few more in March.


19 posted on 02/28/2011 12:32:21 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: buccaneer81

The price on sale or the coupon price is a “market price”..willing seller and buyer. Taxing above that is the kind of thing that Banana Republic’s do to offset technical smuggling and other corruption. It is truly a bad idea and will just cause companies to change their marketing practice so that the state gets the lower amount. Consumers and retailer aren’t stupid.


20 posted on 02/28/2011 12:34:19 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: DoughtyOne

Isn’t it funny how when Republican took over the House, discussion of the VAT basically disappeared. Prior to this, the media had been conditioning us to see a VAT, in addition to the income tax increases, as inevitable.


21 posted on 02/28/2011 12:44:39 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl

True enough. That was the end of that trial balloon.


22 posted on 02/28/2011 12:46:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...)
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To: Mr. K

That is the smart way to do it. Things go on sale in cycles.


23 posted on 02/28/2011 12:46:50 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: raybbr

Um, yeah — didn’t Connecticut just elect this fellow? A Democrat? A Democrat who pledged to do just what he’s doing? Hard to feel sorry for them if that’s the case.... Of course, my short term memory is a little shaky these days — forgive me if I’m wrong...


24 posted on 02/28/2011 12:57:32 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: kidd

How are the sales tax rates in Westchester County, Mass and RI? Don’t those states tax the heck out of their citizens too? (I live in SC)


25 posted on 02/28/2011 12:59:47 PM PST by Bill W was a conservative (Profile, detain, interrogate, deport.)
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To: kidd

How are the sales tax rates in Westchester County, Mass and RI? Don’t those states tax the heck out of their citizens too? (I live in SC)


26 posted on 02/28/2011 12:59:55 PM PST by Bill W was a conservative (Profile, detain, interrogate, deport.)
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To: kidd

How are the sales tax rates in Westchester County, Mass and RI? Don’t those states tax the heck out of their citizens too? (I live in SC)


27 posted on 02/28/2011 12:59:59 PM PST by Bill W was a conservative (Profile, detain, interrogate, deport.)
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To: Oldexpat

The price on sale or the coupon price is a “market price”..willing seller and buyer.


Bingo.

Who knows if the buyer would have bought the product at the non-coupon price to begin with.

The “price” of anything is the amount it actuall sells for. Everything else is just speculation.


28 posted on 02/28/2011 1:04:43 PM PST by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: raybbr

it only took a little over two decades from Lowell Weicker imposing the state’s first ever Income Tax to bring them to this


29 posted on 02/28/2011 1:11:36 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Both the pre-coupon price and suggested retail price are bogus standards for taxation. I don’t really see how one is different than the other for this argument.


30 posted on 02/28/2011 1:18:46 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: raybbr

So, how hard is it to drive to the next door state and purchase a large ticket item?


31 posted on 02/28/2011 1:23:03 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: raybbr

Keep voting for democrats you insufferable morons...


32 posted on 02/28/2011 1:23:57 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: raybbr

“I don’t know how to hide it.”

Is that a classic or what? He just doesn’t know how to hide taxes anymore!

Is that a class in liberal public policy and politics courses at universities? Hiding Taxes 101- How to hide taxes and fool the people with the aid of media sycophants and skilled spin doctors?


33 posted on 02/28/2011 1:42:54 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Bill W was a conservative

NY, MA and RI have high sales taxes.
But CT Gov Malloy intends to change the basis of the tax.

A $30 shirt on sale for $15 would be taxed on 6.5% of the $30 if bought in CT. In MA, it would be 8%(?) on the $15. That works out to 60% more tax in CT than in MA.


34 posted on 02/28/2011 1:47:38 PM PST by kidd
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...
Can you believe this crap?

Last one out of Connecticut, turn out the lights. Every day I hear more and more people say they're leaving CT "as soon as possible".

35 posted on 02/28/2011 1:51:00 PM PST by nutmeg (God bless Governor Scott Walker of Wisconsin)
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To: raybbr

If the citizens don’t storm the capital of their state over this, they deserve to pay those taxes..


36 posted on 02/28/2011 2:08:30 PM PST by goat granny
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To: raybbr

sigh...why use a coupon if they are to be taxed as well. The stupidity of liberal leaders.


37 posted on 02/28/2011 2:08:34 PM PST by max americana
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“If they have money in the bank, they obviously have more than they need, and it needs to be redistributed to people who spend every penny they get their hands on.”
AKA the political hacks that are elected and think our money is really their money ;-)


38 posted on 02/28/2011 2:10:38 PM PST by a02001 (Help the third world poor one person at a time- www.kiva.org)
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To: raybbr

What a novel idea. A sales tax on money not spent. On money you would have spent if you bought at the list price. If they don’t get enough tax money this way, why then, they will apply sales tax to stuff you should have bought. For example, if the state determines that a TV should last 4 years and you don’t buy a TV every four years, why just make you pay sales tax on the TV you should have bought. I love democraps.


39 posted on 02/28/2011 2:16:39 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (How can you tell when the President is lying? When his lips move, of course.)
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To: nutmeg

Hence my tagline.


40 posted on 02/28/2011 2:30:13 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: nutmeg

“Last one out of Connecticut, turn out the lights. Every day I hear more and more people say they’re leaving CT “as soon as possible”.”

The governor’s plans hinge on the inability of taxpayers to sell their homes; I guess he’s banking on them being stuck with underwater or undesirable homes. Many in NJ are in the same boat; even if they can pay off the house, they’ve sunk a lot into it and the values have fallen (directly attributable to our high property taxes).


41 posted on 02/28/2011 2:49:56 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: buccaneer81

Here in northern NJ we benefit from a lot of NYC shoppers fleeing their higher sales and gasoline taxes.


42 posted on 02/28/2011 2:52:56 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: raybbr

Can you hear the herd of jackasses now, people?


43 posted on 02/28/2011 2:58:31 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: patriot preacher

I live in CT. I live here, because of the Navy. I was discharged last May, and I cannot wait to move. Luckily it will be within the next 2 years, due to my job. These folks here always seem to vote for the world’s worst policians. They just seem to love paying for more taxes. Everytime I go to New Hamshire, I buy nearly all of my food and clothing, with some obvious exceptions. I cannot believe this state has a population of more than that of the state government, with so many more states that have lower taxes, and a far better quality of life.


44 posted on 02/28/2011 2:59:05 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: ilgipper

Oh No the State will not implode ,we are different here in Connecticut we are not like New Jersey,Indiana,Ohio,Wisconsin,WE dont want seniors to die and Children to starve,We are funding Education at last years rates we love Our educators and Everyone,its about SHARED sacrifice dont you know


45 posted on 02/28/2011 2:59:45 PM PST by ballplayer
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To: patriot preacher

>>didn’t Connecticut just elect this fellow? A Democrat? A Democrat who pledged to do just what he’s doing?

Yup. My neighbors are idiots.


46 posted on 02/28/2011 3:07:51 PM PST by Betis70 (First the House, then the Senate)
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To: Gene Eric

Is this the state that the lady who owned the WWF was campaigning for the governorship? If so, I remember her asking this idiot during a debate how to create jobs. He had no clue, and yet, the dumb a**es in CT voted for him anyway.

I can’t seem to muster any sympathy for their democrat stupidity,


47 posted on 02/28/2011 3:10:32 PM PST by Catsrus (Have)
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To: Catsrus

Senate race, Blumanthal - the guy with the creative memory.


48 posted on 02/28/2011 3:13:05 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: nutmeg

>>Every day I hear more and more people say they’re leaving CT “as soon as possible”.

I wonder WTH I was thinking moving back and buying a house here. Of course I moved from CA, where things are just as bad.


49 posted on 02/28/2011 3:13:38 PM PST by Betis70 (First the House, then the Senate)
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To: Catsrus

That was for the US Senate seat vacated by Chris Dodd. Linda McMahon lost to Richard Blumenthal, our Attorney General at the time. He was on the news every other day as AG, often suing local businesses.

Tom Foley (former Ambassador to Ireland) lost to Malloy. Foley promised to balance the budget via *cuts* and not taxes. It was a close race, until the largest city (Bridgeport, probably 95% D) found a box of ballots in a back room. That same city ran out of official ballots and were photocopying them to hand out to voters—as a result they kept the polls open there for an extra 2 hours.


50 posted on 02/28/2011 3:19:28 PM PST by Betis70 (First the House, then the Senate)
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