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Consumer Reports says GM Volt falls short on range
Reuters ^ | February 28, 2011 | John Crawley

Posted on 02/28/2011 5:40:23 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - General Motors Co's mostly electric Chevy Volt turned in a lackluster performance for efficiency in its first series of road tests by product raters at Consumer Reports.

"We would have really liked to have loved it," David Champion, director of Consumer Reports auto test center told Reuters on Monday after announcing the organization's top picks for 2011.

"It was fun to drive and the ride quality was pretty good. But when you look at the finances, for us it doesn't make any sense," Champion said.

He said consumers seeking value and top fuel efficiency would be better off buying a top-performing gasoline/electric hybrid like the Toyota Motor Corp Prius or a Fusion by Ford Motor Corp.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alternativefuels; carboncult; chevyvolt; consumerreports; electric; energypolicy; gm; governmentmotors; govtmotors; greenreligion; hybrid; hybrids; mostlyelectric; moteurs0bama; obamanomics; volt
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Gee what a surprise. And I thought Obama said this car would turn Government Motors around. Huh, isn't that strange? And the taxpayers shelled out 86 billion for what? A lackluster car that costs $41000 and doesn't do what the Prius does for $23000.
1 posted on 02/28/2011 5:40:31 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Like Gomer Pyles would say SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE...


2 posted on 02/28/2011 5:42:47 PM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Consumer Reports drove the Volt at its test track in Connecticut under the coldest temperatures this winter, and Champion acknowledged that car may perform better in temperate climates

Global cooling strikes again.....

3 posted on 02/28/2011 5:43:52 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: Ev Reeman
But when you look at the finances, for us it doesn't make any sense

Nothing that the lunatic left does makes any sense, but that doesn't seem to deter them.

4 posted on 02/28/2011 5:45:49 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Chevy Volt-Conceived, designed and financed (via the taxpayers) by a Community Organizer


5 posted on 02/28/2011 5:47:15 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Exactly who would be stupid enough to purchase a Volt?

It was shredded on Auto blogs for years before it was released. Everyone knew it was a lemon for years.
6 posted on 02/28/2011 5:48:09 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Steven Tyler

Not true. The Volt was in the GM pipeline well before Baraq became POTUS.


7 posted on 02/28/2011 5:49:50 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: Upstate NY Guy

I`m Shocked!!!


8 posted on 02/28/2011 5:50:30 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: Upstate NY Guy

And these are a bunch of screaming liberals too.

Funny how temperature sensitive these electric cars are. Even when compared with the variations in gas mileage that are seen in conventionally fueled cars. Weather that might cut gas mileage in half will cause an electric car to be able to barely budge.


9 posted on 02/28/2011 5:50:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
A lackluster car that costs $41000 and doesn't do what the Prius does for $23000.

Yup, what a bunch of us here have been saying. Yet some lib trolls vociferously defend the Volt saying it'll replace all other cars on the road. We'll see, as money talks! My daughter bought a Nissan Altima Hybrid a few years ago for under $24000. It gets over 700 miles to a tank of gas - proven as she has driven it between California and Kansas, and other states. (The Nissan uses Prius tech.)

10 posted on 02/28/2011 5:50:57 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Steven Tyler

Can it make 18 holes?


11 posted on 02/28/2011 5:51:36 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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12 posted on 02/28/2011 5:53:13 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

But, the union thugs got $4000 a piece in “bonuses”. How can you SAY it’s not a success? Make cars at a loss and still the workin’ man gets a bonus. Meanwhile the taxpayers who paid the bonus for the workin’ man gets the boner.


13 posted on 02/28/2011 5:53:22 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

It’s sure nice to see Consumer Reports honestly report on this. I guess they feel that their credibility and fairness overrides their liberalism.

Too bad they seem to be the only ones with that opinion.


14 posted on 02/28/2011 5:53:52 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: centurion316

“Nothing that the lunatic left does makes any sense, but that doesn’t seem to deter them.”

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Because it is ALWAYS OPM. Always.


15 posted on 02/28/2011 5:53:57 PM PST by EyeGuy (Gimme Shelter)
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To: centurion316
It makes perfect sense to the Left because it keeps the unions working, the satisfies the Environmental Extremists, it is powered by windmills off Cape Cod (so there is no flow of capital to the ME), and the price tag is irrelevant since the Left will just take the money from taxpayers to pay for it (and, as everyone knows,there is no limit to that stash).

This is the kind of infantile thinking the world is up against.

16 posted on 02/28/2011 5:55:18 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies ('And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?' Yeats)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

I almost bought a Prius for about $20,000. I finally went for a nice Civic sedan. Good room, good mileage, nice to drive and can get out of its way if it needs to. It cost about 1/3 what the Volt costs. The $24000 I saved will buy a lot of gasoline!


17 posted on 02/28/2011 5:55:27 PM PST by Horusra (The Democrat party is now the National Socialist party (nationalize the banks, socialize healthcare))
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To: Upstate NY Guy

18 posted on 02/28/2011 5:55:56 PM PST by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: nascarnation

So, let’s see if I understand... if we all drive electric cars, the temperature will decrease, thereby reducing the efficiency of our electric cars...so, we will then all start driving our gasoline-fueled autos and increase the temperature so our electric cars will drive better...until the temperature drops too far at which time we’ll...oh, never mind.


19 posted on 02/28/2011 5:56:56 PM PST by Let_It_Be_So
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To: Upstate NY Guy

I’m a long-time CR subscriber - this is very damning. I like CR’s reviews of ordinary products, but CR is very far-left at this point and they are rooting very hard for Obama, have fully drunk the “global warming” Kool-Aid, and they accordingly would be expected to go out of their way to lavish praise on Obama’s Government Motors “green” car.

For them to say that the Volt might have some problems is equivalent to saying that it might not have been such a great idea to have the Hindenburg lifted by a highly flammable gas.


20 posted on 02/28/2011 5:57:18 PM PST by rockvillem
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To: Upstate NY Guy

temperate climes? heater is to cold as air conditioner is to hot. Imagine being stuck in traffic on the typical 98 degree Florida day? Better have gas in that tank.


21 posted on 02/28/2011 5:57:39 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just restock [chg'd to comply w/ The Civility in Discourse Act of 2011])
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To: Upstate NY Guy

While this is probably true - I refuse to read or listen to anything from the corrupt Consumer Reports.


22 posted on 02/28/2011 5:58:14 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: screaminsunshine

OUCH! LOL


23 posted on 02/28/2011 5:58:14 PM PST by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Of course obami will use taxpayer dollars to help Government Motors sell this piece of crap.


24 posted on 02/28/2011 6:00:08 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Ev Reeman

exactamundo. How many government “fleet” vehicles will be Chevy volts? That will give you a small indication of their utility. When I see Congresscritters and Cabinet agency employees driving lots of these cars, call me. Until then?


25 posted on 02/28/2011 6:01:18 PM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I've seen both ends of performance with my 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. After getting trailer tow lighting installed, the mileage computer reset. It was mid summer. A drive home with no heat or air conditioning from San Diego to Idaho yielded 33 MPG. The vehicle longer term average had been running at 27 MPG over a range of temperatures and seasons. Recently, the battery failed. A new one was installed. Again, the mileage counter was reset. This time, the temperatures were below 20F for weeks. The vehicle dropped to 20 MPG. The engine must run to provide heat. Trips are mostly around town, so there are some opportunities for electric mode.

This will be the first and last hybrid we buy. They are simply unsuitable for use in a cold climate. The mild San Diego weather/traffic is a decent match for the vehicle. We'll resume a decent gasoline engine with enough power to tow a small trailer with a couple motorcycles aboard (2500 lbs). Need a 4x4 to handle the snow in our part of the world.

The vehicle never lived up to the mileage claims. Further, the promised $3,000 tax credit turned out to be only $1202 when I actually filed. A goat rope in every way.

26 posted on 02/28/2011 6:01:28 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: rockvillem

You support an organization that has a record of falsifying results, rigging tests, and then throws the highest-rated product in a given test under the bus, claiming a non-existant problem (that they couldn’t recreate themselves)?


27 posted on 02/28/2011 6:02:06 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman

Could you explain why you consider CR corrupt?


28 posted on 02/28/2011 6:03:49 PM PST by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Funny how temperature sensitive these electric cars are. Even when compared with the variations in gas mileage that are seen in conventionally fueled cars. Weather that might cut gas mileage in half will cause an electric car to be able to barely budge.

The Volt has a gas engine.

29 posted on 02/28/2011 6:04:06 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Upstate NY Guy
"We would have really liked to have loved it,"

And why is that? The truth is, that they shouldn't be suggesting any electric or hybrid after all of the costs are taken into account. A conventional car of the same size is much more economical, all things considered.

30 posted on 02/28/2011 6:04:23 PM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: boop
But, the union thugs got $4000 a piece in “bonuses”. How can you SAY it’s not a success?

That's true. Dumb old me. I thought auto companies were supposed to build something the public would like. I forgot about the need to build crappy cars to fill UAW coffers for future Democrat campaign contributions.

31 posted on 02/28/2011 6:04:36 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Myrddin
"This will be the first and last hybrid we buy."

It would be best to drive it into the ground. There is no, zero resale value. Any trade-in value is a gift.

yitbos

32 posted on 02/28/2011 6:05:20 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: boop
But, the union thugs got $4000 a piece in “bonuses”. How can you SAY it’s not a success?

That's true. Dumb old me. I thought auto companies were supposed to build something the public would like. I forgot about the need to build crappy cars to fill UAW coffers for future Democrat campaign contributions.

33 posted on 02/28/2011 6:06:41 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: All
GM does it again! ...and remember apt dwellers have nowhere to plug these in, so they can't buy. In addition, in general only one of these per family can be accomodated in a garage with plugging in. Either though garage space or who knows maybe a house's wiring can't deal with the draw and they'll both charge too slow overnight.

An exceedingly very limited car.
34 posted on 02/28/2011 6:07:46 PM PST by RBIEL2
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Here’s the last paragraph of the article:

“Champion said Consumer Reports has yet to test the Nissan Motor Co (Tokyo:7201.T - News) all-electric Leaf, which retails for $35,000 before the federal tax credit.”

Here’s an article showing the Leaf to be a real turkey:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mcj3fd


35 posted on 02/28/2011 6:09:00 PM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: roadcat


What the Auto Press Says

The 2011 Nissan Altima Hybrid ranks 13 out of 18 Affordable Midsize Cars. This ranking is based on our analysis of 29 published reviews and test drives of the Nissan Altima Hybrid, and our analysis of reliability and safety data.

In a growing class, the 2011 Nissan Altima Hybrid is easily overlooked because of its low fuel economy ratings, limited availability and expensive optional packages.

In theory, the 2011 Nissan Altima Hybrid is an ideal hybrid sedan. It has the gasoline version’s stylish exterior, a quality interior, good handling and impressive fuel economy. These are all great characteristics, but the Altima Hybrid begins to lose its appeal when it’s compared to other hybrids on the market like the Toyota Prius and the Ford Fusion Hybrid.

First, the Altima Hybrid is only available in nine states — California, Oregon, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont — so you may have to travel far to get it.

Second, the Altima Hybrid has great fuel economy ratings if you compare it to gasoline cars. However, once you look at competing hybrids like the Ford Fusion Hybrid and the Toyota Prius, the Altima’s ratings aren’t impressive. It gets an EPA-estimated 33/33 mpg city/highway, while the Fusion gets 41/36 mpg city/highway and the Prius gets 51/48 mpg city/highway — the highest ratings in the class.

Price is another concern. Starting at $26,780, the Altima Hybrid is fairly priced, but once you add features packages, the Altima quickly tops $30,000 because of the way Nissan bundles its options packages. You might end up paying for features you don’t want.

Combined, the Altima Hybrid’s tragic flaws make it easy to ignore its strengths, and turn to the competition. “The 2011 Nissan Altima Hybrid is a solid hybrid family sedan that also happens to be relatively sporty to drive,” says Edmunds. “But it’s overshadowed by newer and more widely available competitors.”

Other Cars to Consider:
The 2011 Nissan Altima Hybrid’s main competitors are the Toyota Prius, Ford Fusion Hybrid and the Toyota Camry Hybrid, each of which bring one or more of these strengths to the table: excellent fuel economy, value, comfort and strong performance.

The Toyota Prius is the best choice if you’re looking for a cheaper midsize hybrid and the best fuel economy ratings in the industry. The base Prius costs about $23,000, and has impressive fuel economy ratings of 51/48 mpg city/highway. It isn’t, however, the most comfortable or the best performer. But with so few trips to the gas station, many shoppers may be willing to ignore these drawbacks.

The Ford Fusion Hybrid is more comfortable and has better performance, but it’s also more expensive. It starts at $28,100, which may seem pricey, but if you’re looking for good fuel economy, good performance and comfort, the Fusion Hybrid is the least expensive option. Add tech features, and the Fusion Hybrid stickers at about $33,000.

While it’s not as fuel-efficient or well like at the Prius or the Fusion Hybrid, the Toyota Camry Hybrid deserves to be mentioned because Nissan borrowed the Camry Hybrid’s Synergy Drive technology — a hybrid powertrain — to build the Altima Hybrid. With fuel economy ratings of 31/35 mpg city/highway, the Camry Hybrid’s ratings pale in comparison to the Fusion Hybrid and Prius, but are on par with the Altima Hybrid’s 33/33 mpg city/highway. However, if you’re looking for more fuel efficient and less expensive version of the Lexus GS Hybrid or Lexus LS Hybrid, this vehicle will be a good fit.

If you still want the Nissan Altima Hybrid, get a 2010 model, which is identical to the 2011, except for the addition of three exterior colors. If 2010 models are available in your area, you’re likely to get a good deal. Begin by checking out our Nissan Deals.


36 posted on 02/28/2011 6:09:29 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: TheBattman

Yeah, I do. The information they compile from subscribers about car reliability has served me very, very well for over 20 years. When I need to buy a new microwave or television, e.g., I find their information to be worth the modest subscription price on a long-term basis. I ignore all their political stuff and recognize just how in the tank they are for Team Obama and Government Motors - that’s what makes the Volt review so damning.


37 posted on 02/28/2011 6:10:41 PM PST by rockvillem
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To: SueRae

Give the bureaucrats bicycles.


38 posted on 02/28/2011 6:10:51 PM PST by Loud Mime (If it is too stupid to be said, people will listen to it, if sung - - Voltaire)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Cut the deficit, cut the electric car subsidies!

If they cannot compete on a level playing field, scrap them.


39 posted on 02/28/2011 6:10:59 PM PST by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: nascarnation
Global cooling strikes again.....

GM spokesman Greg Martin said: "There needs to be a greater sampling of driving conditions that mirror the typical consumer experience,"

You see the car did not under-perform, it was the testing that was faulty.

40 posted on 02/28/2011 6:12:07 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: SeeSac

Hybrids like Volt do better than pure electrics. Pure electrics stink at providing passenger heat (although if the designers were really serious, they would put heat pumps into the design, basically the A/C system working backwards).


41 posted on 02/28/2011 6:13:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: bruinbirdman

Hybrids will probably always have a niche as curiosity cars and for die hard green hippies. I think Volkswagen should make a new Bug hybrid — they would probably sell well to the green, Birkenstocked, global-warmist set.


42 posted on 02/28/2011 6:15:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

“The Toyota Prius is the best choice if you’re looking for a cheaper midsize hybrid”

Prius a Midsize car? I guess we can’t take anything this Fishwrap says seriously.


43 posted on 02/28/2011 6:17:24 PM PST by DAC21
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To: Steven Tyler

This crap car is a boondoggle that nobody wants. I want this country to drill and get me oil for my 2 SUVS . I’m will never buy anything from the communists at government motors. I want a TOYOTA !! They were intentionally lied about so the Unions at government motors could sell their crap. Al Gore ran run a volt up his you know what. I WANT POWER!!! Not some appliance.


44 posted on 02/28/2011 6:18:21 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Let_It_Be_So
So, let’s see if I understand... if we all drive electric cars, the temperature will decrease, thereby reducing the efficiency of our electric cars...

The windmills used to recharge them won't be working either.

45 posted on 02/28/2011 6:18:30 PM PST by Moonman62 (Half of all Americans are above average. Politicians come from the other half.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
do I really have to say it???

46 posted on 02/28/2011 6:18:33 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Nachum

Every time some libtard’s electric clown car has an epic failure, a moonbat gets its wings burned off.

: )


47 posted on 02/28/2011 6:19:16 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (POTUS 45 Sarah Palin....Resistance is futile! Prepare to be liberated!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ill take a 1 yr old vette for 41k b4 buying a volt


48 posted on 02/28/2011 6:19:16 PM PST by mriguy67
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To: Upstate NY Guy

My old Plymouth used to go about a quarter mile on the starter, does that make it a hybrid?


49 posted on 02/28/2011 6:19:34 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Funny how temperature sensitive these electric cars are.

Yup. And once a gas engine warms up they run fine, delivering all the heat you want in the passenger compartment. The Volt driver has to choose between economy and comfort on cold days.

50 posted on 02/28/2011 6:20:37 PM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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