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Low-flow toilets cause a stink in SF
SanFrancisco Chronicle ^ | Monday, February 28, 2011 | Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross

Posted on 02/28/2011 8:42:00 PM PST by TheBattman

Low-flow toilets cause a stink in SF Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross Monday, February 28, 2011 San Francisco's big push for low-flow toilets has turned into a multimillion-dollar plumbing stink. Skimping on toilet water has resulted in more sludge backing up inside the sewer pipes, said Tyrone Jue, spokesman for the city Public Utilities Commission. That has created a rotten-egg stench near AT&T Park and elsewhere, especially during the dry summer months. The city has already spent $100 million over the past five years to upgrade its sewer system and sewage plants, in part to combat the odor problem. Now officials are stocking up on a $14 million, three-year supply of highly concentrated sodium hypochlorite - better known as bleach - to act as an odor eater and to disinfect the city's treated water before it's dumped into the bay. It will also be used to sanitize drinking water. That translates into 8.5 million pounds of bleach either being poured down city drains or into the drinking water supply every year. Not everybody thinks it's a good idea.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: california; environmentalists; lowflushtoilets; previouslyposted; searchisyourfriend; sewage; toilet
So - to "save" 20million gallons of water, San Francisco has wasted how many gallons in "cleaning" the system out, and over $100 million dealing with the trouble the low-flow toilets have caused... That's some expensive water!

And where is the screaming from the Enviro-Nazis who are adamant that chlorine bleach (Sodium Hypochlorite) is harmful to the environment? How many TONS being poured in to "sanitize" and deoderize their mess?

1 posted on 02/28/2011 8:42:05 PM PST by TheBattman
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To: TheBattman

WALLOWING_IN_THEIR_OWN_FECAL_MATTER_PING!


2 posted on 02/28/2011 8:44:47 PM PST by The Duke
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To: TheBattman

What is with the libtards? Didn’t Sheryl Crow teach them you only need 1 tissue to clean their faces aka their behinds?


3 posted on 02/28/2011 8:44:59 PM PST by max americana
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To: TheBattman

Add this asinine Federal intrusion onto the list of things to be NULLIFIED in the future.

I hear someone brought up a bill to stop that asinine CFL/anti-Edison-bulb law, and this toilet thing is another thing to stop.

I have all low-flow toilets in this house, 3 of the 4 are unreliable at even a regular #1 toilet paper flush (never mind the times they’ve stuck and overflowed). I’ve had more failures in the 3 years we’ve been in this house than I ever experienced in my life in my parent’s 40yo house with old 3+gal toilets.


4 posted on 02/28/2011 8:46:41 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

And don’t forget dishwashers that don’t clean dishes properly, sine the nazis banned phosphates in dishwasher detergent....


5 posted on 02/28/2011 8:50:51 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: TheBattman

Lots of people complain about these toilets flushing ineffectively, but this is the very first I’ve heard about the use of such toilets resulting in sewage which does not flow well. If this is true, instead of bleaching out the system at huge expense, why not cycle “processed” water back into it?


6 posted on 02/28/2011 8:51:36 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: TheBattman

Take me out of the ball game
Get me out of the crowd
I’m too nauseous for peanuts and cracker jacks
I don’t ever want to ever come back!


7 posted on 02/28/2011 8:57:37 PM PST by matt04
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To: TheBattman

It’s those damned chickens again.


8 posted on 02/28/2011 9:03:28 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: TheBattman
Low-flow toilets aren't the only cause of the stink radiating out of San Francisco.
9 posted on 02/28/2011 9:04:40 PM PST by mimaw
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To: YHAOS

Maybe the stink comes from their immorality!


10 posted on 02/28/2011 9:04:52 PM PST by princess leah
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Many, many moons ago, I read a piece on pros and cons of low flush toilets and the conclusion was..That our country-type septic systems require a certain % of water/solids in order for the bacteria to digest the solid stuff.
Now, if this is indeed true, I suspect the same holds true for municipal systems and adding bleach in massive amounts only exacerbates the problem by killing off the good digestive bacteria.
But, DON’T tell ‘em I said so.
Serves “em rightly!


11 posted on 02/28/2011 9:06:56 PM PST by bog trotter
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To: TheBattman

These dumb asses. $12 bucks can buy enough bacteria, that you use in a septic tank, that will devour the stinky stuff, the solid waste.

The people running this state, country are complete idiots.


12 posted on 02/28/2011 9:07:53 PM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: TheBattman

Half the population doesn’t use toilets, just let’s it go on the sidewalk. Just imagine how bad this would be if everyone was toilet trained . . .


13 posted on 02/28/2011 9:08:21 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: princess leah
"Maybe the stink comes from their immorality!"

Ya think? ( ^8 }

14 posted on 02/28/2011 9:14:13 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: 23 Everest

Re: Rid-ex etc.
I was just told by a friend that a plumber had told her that plain ol’ yeast does as much good as the brand-name stuff at breaking down waste materials in septic systems and is a whole lot cheaper by the pound in places like Sam’s club or other big outlets.. I get it for $3/#.
Once again, Momma nature does it best!


15 posted on 02/28/2011 9:16:26 PM PST by bog trotter
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The regulations for use of “gray water” in Colorado are already onerous. I can’t imagine that such use would be legal under Cali’s morass of laws, although I don’t know this for sure.


16 posted on 02/28/2011 9:32:07 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: The Duke

Always said that San Francisco was full of shit. Looks like I have been proven right (the only time the word “right” will ever appear next to San Francisco, except for “exit Right”.)


17 posted on 02/28/2011 9:34:09 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: bog trotter

To #15: Just wait until those mutant yeast come blasting out of the sewers and toilets, and devour half of San Francisco’s population.

Now, that would be a movie I could go to.

“The Rise of the Mutant Yeast”, coming to a toilet near you.
Starring Michael Moore as the head “yeast”. Script by Oliver Stoned. Screenplay by Cheryl Crow (I love her). Financed by George “Backed Up” Soros.


18 posted on 02/28/2011 9:40:00 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: TheBattman

Bleach? Are they crazy? (Yes!)

They should just dump in the Plumb Clean (bacteria + enzymes) and let the water flow.

What idiots!


19 posted on 02/28/2011 9:47:52 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall
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To: TheBattman

bleach loses it’s effectiveness after 1.5 years in liquid form.

Is this in powdered form? So just add water...?


20 posted on 02/28/2011 10:17:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don’t take life so seriously... You’ll never live through it.)
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To: TheBattman

The law of unintended consequences for failute to think things through strikes again.

Can’t these libtards ever grasp that their pipedream ideas haven’t been implemented before for a reason—they don’t work.


21 posted on 02/28/2011 10:22:09 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Man, THAT was funny!!!


22 posted on 02/28/2011 10:35:48 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: Frank_2001

AND the new washers that don’t use enough water so they have to beat clothes to death to get them clean AND the CFC-free asthma inhalers that don’t work at all (breathing is so overrated!) AND the upcoming new regulations on dishwashers and refrigerators that will mean they won’t work any more either AND the crappy little cars that don’t carry anything and are unsafe AND the assault on any kind of effort to increase our production of oil, gas, and coal AND the ethanol boondoggle that is driving food prices up and ruining engines... Enviro-whackos are literally ruining our way of life. They are destroying all progress and are quite happy about it.


23 posted on 02/28/2011 10:54:20 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: 23 Everest

The sewer systems were designed (and quite efficiently, at that) for having a certain amount of water moving waste along the pipes. These low-flush toilets will continue to cause problems, and now they want toilets to use even less water.

I’m sick of the smell, the splash, the noise, the multiple flushing. Why do we let these people dictate how we are to live?


24 posted on 02/28/2011 10:56:56 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: Pining_4_TX
Why do we let these people dictate how we are to live?

Ever have to live with a scolding, angry teen aged girl? Eventually you do whatever is necessary just to get a little peace, particularly when it is obvious that they will kill or be killed before they quit their incessant screeching.

Well...Liberals are harmonally addicted teen aged girls: angry, violent, bitter, hateful, and just want to kill anyone who dares raise their voice in opposition.

This is precisely why we need a woman president who knows how to deal with unruly teenagers.

25 posted on 02/28/2011 11:22:30 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (For love of Sarah, our country and the American Way of Life.)
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To: bog trotter

I was reading a thread on septic tank on FR the other day and the Yeast solution was disputed pretty clearly. Seems it makes it hard for the bacteria to live.


26 posted on 03/01/2011 12:12:05 AM PST by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

And now California is beginning to smell like third-world country!


27 posted on 03/01/2011 12:46:25 AM PST by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: TheBattman
When touchy/feely lawyers make one size fits all laws there are unintended consequences.
28 posted on 03/01/2011 12:52:56 AM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: TheBattman

Unintended consequences. Go figure.


29 posted on 03/01/2011 1:05:48 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
I’m sick of the smell, the splash, the noise, the multiple flushing.
You clearly did not do your research before you bought. I've had a low flow for about 6 years. It uses air to pressurize. I have never suffered from smell, splash, noise, or multiple flushing. In addition, I've never once had to replace a single part.
30 posted on 03/01/2011 4:06:15 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: TheBattman

. . . and their sin stinks to high Heaven!


31 posted on 03/01/2011 6:35:14 AM PST by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

I agree, the low flush toilets are an oxymoron. You have to flush twice defeating the purpose!

And what about the waterless urinals? Only going to add to the problem.


32 posted on 03/01/2011 6:40:51 AM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: bog trotter

You are correct!


33 posted on 03/01/2011 6:42:32 AM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone.)
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To: Clara Lou

Actually, I did do my research, and we bought the #1 recommended (Consumer Reports) low flush toilet. While it is an improvement over the older low flush toilet we had, it is still somewhat noisy, occasionally splashes, is smellier than a full-flush toilet, and requires more frequent cleaning.

Low-flush toilets are a stupid product. What many people do not know is that the toilet manufacturers were among those who supported the new standards. Just like GE and Sylvania who pushed for the new light bulbs, toilet manufacturers make more money from selling fancy, new-fangled low flush toilets than they do the old, simple ones. It’s all a crock, if you’ll pardon the expression. ;-)


34 posted on 03/01/2011 9:05:00 AM PST by Pining_4_TX
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