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150 Years Ago - Texas joins the CSA
on this day in history ^ | 3/1/11 | on this day

Posted on 03/01/2011 5:08:48 PM PST by central_va

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To: texas_mrs

That’s a great photo.


41 posted on 03/01/2011 7:04:02 PM PST by RoseyT (The stars at night are big and bright....)
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To: barb-tex
We won the battle, but it looks like we lost the War

Why do you say that? Texas is one of the most prosperous states in the union.

42 posted on 03/01/2011 7:24:47 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: central_va
Why Texas seceded:

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

Yes, it was about slavery for them, too.

43 posted on 03/01/2011 7:28:55 PM PST by r9etb
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To: trumandogz

Party on!

44 posted on 03/01/2011 7:45:56 PM PST by stormer
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To: r9etb

My great,...,grandfather, Americus Puett, from Robert Lee TX, was with Pickett. He did not own slaves and I doubt if there were many, or even any slaves, in that part of West Texas. Men like his brother came back from the war with Cherokee brides because of the dearth of white women.

It took Lincoln 2 years to declare the slaves, just the ones in the Confederate states, not the ones in Maryland or other border states, free and 3/5th of a human, if they would fight for the Union.

Histories written by the winners, in this case Yankee liars, are not always truly reflective of the people’s view at the time.

If Texas secedes I’ll be back home nearly instantly.


45 posted on 03/01/2011 7:46:41 PM PST by TxDas (This above all, to thine ownself be true.)
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To: rockrr
Why do you say that? Texas is one of the most prosperous states in the union.

yeah in spite of. . .

46 posted on 03/01/2011 7:47:37 PM PST by mstar (Immediate State Action)
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To: jmacusa
“I would say we could learn alot from our Southern ancestors..’’ Like what? Owning people?

If you are intellectually consistent, you must also hold ALL of the founding fathers in the same contempt.

47 posted on 03/01/2011 7:51:48 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: central_va

"Bummer. Can we go home now?"

48 posted on 03/01/2011 7:52:30 PM PST by stormer
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To: central_va

It was my understanding that Texas actually seceded a month earlier, about the same time as the other six states, but that it wasn’t initially a part of the Confederacy until this date.


49 posted on 03/01/2011 7:54:36 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Kol ha`over `al-hapequdim mibben `esrim shanah vama`lah yitten terumat HaShem.)
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To: texas_mrs
My great-great-great-grandfather served as a sergeant in McCord's Texas Frontier Cavalry (aka the 46th Texas Cavalry). Their primary mission was to halt hostile Indian raids into Texas.

The Comanche and Kiowa had taken advantage of the absence of so many Texas men to make massive raids deep into Texas, with some reaching the Gulf Coast.

50 posted on 03/01/2011 7:56:24 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: stinkerpot65

The North had slave States, too. In fact, several had even strengthened their Constitutions fairly recently to the CW. So, blow it out your butt.


51 posted on 03/01/2011 8:02:20 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: jmacusa

“Owning people?”

Just like the northern States that had slaves. Oh, wait, you were public school indoctrinated and learned only the South had slaves, right? Ignorant moron.


52 posted on 03/01/2011 8:04:02 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: BillyBoy
The governor of Texas at the time, Sam Houston, didn't want to give up Texas' sovereignty and join the Confederate States of America, so he refused to take an oath to support the CSA. This little fact didn't sit well with the pro-slavery advocates, so rather than adhere to "states rights", they removed the lawfully elected Governor by force and installed the pro-slavery Lt. Governor, who would then force Texas to join the CSA and give up its independent status during the war.

Hmmm ... Houston wasn't exactly anti-slavery himself. He owned 12 slaves. See the following Houston biography from Sam Houston State University: Link. Also, in a December 1860 letter to Texans Houston said in effect that Lincoln should be hurled from power if he didn't enforce the fugitive slave law.

Houston was for Texas, come what may. He did not want the war to start in Texas, and he refused an offer of troops from Lincoln. Later, he congratulated General Magruder for throwing Federal invaders out of Galveston:

General: It gives me great pleasure to mingle my congratulations with the many thousands that you have received. You, sir, have introduced a new era in Texas by driving from our soil a ruthless enemy. ... Your advent was scarcely known in Texas when we were awakened from our reverie to the realities of your splendid victory. Its planning and execution reflect additional glory on your former fame, as well as on the arms of Texas. Sam Houston, January 7, 1863

53 posted on 03/01/2011 8:57:16 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: TxDas

And the losers wrote the myths...


54 posted on 03/01/2011 9:01:28 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: mstar

War is hell. But you knew that.


55 posted on 03/01/2011 9:02:42 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: UnwashedPeasant

‘If you are intellectually consistent, you must also hold ALL of the founding fathers in the same contempt.’

Why would this give me a reason to hold John or Samuel Adams or Roger Sherman in contempt?


56 posted on 03/01/2011 9:30:52 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Colin Firth Rules!)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
My great-great-great-grandfather served as a sergeant in McCord's Texas Frontier Cavalry (aka the 46th Texas Cavalry). Their primary mission was to halt hostile Indian raids into Texas.

In his book, The Texas Rangers, Darren L. Ivy says that McCord was in command of that Frontier Regiment from February 13, 1863 to April 1865(?). The different companies in the regiment had different "ranging districts" that typically covered a number of counties. I remember seeing a rifle that belonged to a member of the Frontier Regiment on display at the Texas Ranger Museum in Waco. Interesting place.

My great-great-grandfather served in the Second or Central Frontier District under Major George Erath. Their duties were similar to those of the Frontier Regiment except the companies' ranging districts were usually only one county, probably the county where the members lived. Many of the members of the Frontier District companies were quite young. They had the same requirements of supplying their own horse and weapon at a moments notice as the Texas Rangers did, and they protected against Indians, jayhawkers, and army deserters. Officially they were Texas State Troops. However, in his pension application my ancestor called them Rangers. They are listed in Ivey's Texas Ranger book.

57 posted on 03/01/2011 9:36:27 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
It is quite possible that your great-great-grandfather and my great-great-great-grandfather might have served alongside each other during the Battle of Dove Creek.

A party of 400-600 Kickapoo Indians were traveling from the Indian Territory down to Mexico and were attacked by 160 men of McCord's Frontier Cavalry and 325 men of the 2nd Frontier District Militia. The militiamen were from Bosque, Comanche, Coryell, Erath, and Johnson counties and were under the command of S.S. Totten (or Totton).

The battle was a disaster for the Texans, who did not have a unified command structure and attacked piecemeal. The Kickapoo were able to beat off each attack and then reposition themselves to fend off the next assault. The Kickapoo suffered 14-23 fatalities (depending on which source you believe) and around 40-70 wounded but were able to withdraw in good order. The Texans suffered 22 dead and 19 wounded, primarily from the militia, who were ambushed early in the battle and suffered 19 dead right off the bat.

58 posted on 03/01/2011 10:40:13 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Why would this give me a reason to hold John or Samuel Adams or Roger Sherman in contempt?

Because the Founding Fathers owned people.

59 posted on 03/01/2011 10:44:39 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Why would this give me a reason to hold John or Samuel Adams or Roger Sherman in contempt?

Because the Founding Fathers owned people.

60 posted on 03/01/2011 10:45:41 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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