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What It's Like in Madison WI
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Posted on 03/01/2011 7:53:15 PM PST by Hamilcar_Barca

Wisconsin GOP Senator Glenn Grothman chased, trapped by hecklers. Appearently police (who are siding with the unions) wouldn't let him in one entrance left him to the mob. Communism has come to Wisconsin.


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The rest of America needs to see this.
1 posted on 03/01/2011 7:53:18 PM PST by Hamilcar_Barca
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

Cold. Very cold.


2 posted on 03/01/2011 7:54:30 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Hamilcar_Barca; LMAO; nina0113; Yooper4Life; TheConservativeParty; sgtyork; 50cal Smokepole; ...
Wisconsin Conservative Politics Ping List Ping!
3 posted on 03/01/2011 7:55:44 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

Wasn’t today the deadline for the Dem Sen. Rats to return to Madistan? So what happened? Will layoff notices be sent out? Not hearing much news about that—so what’s the scoop informed FReeps?


4 posted on 03/01/2011 7:57:00 PM PST by tflabo
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

I agree


5 posted on 03/01/2011 7:57:00 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

The minute that Governor Walker saw that the police aren’t enforcing the laws in Wisconsin, he should have called out the national guard and fired the offending officers.


6 posted on 03/01/2011 7:57:08 PM PST by Yet_Again
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

The REAL Americans need to stock up on food and ammo.


7 posted on 03/01/2011 7:59:56 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

The Governor needs to end this circus tomorrow morning.

Clear the building and put the crowds 200’ feet away.

For safety—theirs and the legislators.

These crowds are almost out of control, and this has been going on far too long.

This is a dangerous situation.

The adults have to take charge.


8 posted on 03/01/2011 8:00:31 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca
The shame is that pols are the ones standing up to these thugs. Where are the patriots? Probably hissing over the purity of RINOS and pondering how many Reagans can dance on the head of a pin.

9 posted on 03/01/2011 8:00:53 PM PST by I see my hands (You can know the young posters by the desperate optimism in their posts.)
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To: Yet_Again

If the cops can’t or won’t cut it, make them an unemployment statistic. Surely there is some kind of back burner plan somewhere up there to activate the Guard.


10 posted on 03/01/2011 8:01:40 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

Could the local tea partiers act as honor guards? It’s about time we fight fire with fire with these bastards. I am sick and tired of seeing honest Americans pushed around by these communist scum.


11 posted on 03/01/2011 8:04:26 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Fire all the damn rino!)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

I fear a rapid descent into lawlessness is upon the United States. It is going to get worse in the years ahead because there is no way out of this financial mess. Politicians at every level spent us into oblivion, just to buy votes and feather their nests while forsaking their nation.


12 posted on 03/01/2011 8:06:25 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

I loved that PEACEFUL chant. It reminded of the beast rally in The Island of Doctor Moreau : “What is the LAW?” “Not to walk on all fours.” “Are we not men?”


13 posted on 03/01/2011 8:06:41 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

What a bunch of idiots.

I’d be back tomorrow with some bear spray and a pump shotgun. Come within 30 ft. and you get the bear spray. 20 ft. or closer and you get the shotgun.

Isn’t there some law against interfering with the duties of an elected representative or something.


14 posted on 03/01/2011 8:07:23 PM PST by smokingfrog ( BORN free - taxed to DEATH (and beyond) ...)
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To: exit82
The Governor needs to end this circus tomorrow morning. Clear the building and put the crowds 200’ feet away. For safety—theirs and the legislators. These crowds are almost out of control, and this has been going on far too long. This is a dangerous situation. The adults have to take charge.

And how would you propose the Governor do this?

The police don't follow orders and are siding with the protesters. The courts are against Walker. The media is massively against him.

You've got Democratic Senators now talking about staying out of Wisconsin for the entire term if they don't get their way. There is literally nothing Walker can do. Perhaps break up the repair bill and push through the non financial parts is about the only option I see.

15 posted on 03/01/2011 8:11:58 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: smokingfrog

Laws are only for convenience when liberals are involved and therefore optional.


16 posted on 03/01/2011 8:13:03 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

democrats are really just repugnant pigs feeding at a trough of ignorance.


17 posted on 03/01/2011 8:13:26 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Longbow1969

Couldn’t the GOP pass EVERY bill they could think of that is not MONEY related....i.e...immigration, abortion, healthcare, education, etc??? And, a bill that says if a Senator/Rep leaves the State and doesn’t return to his job for more than 3 days, when able, they lose their position!??


18 posted on 03/01/2011 8:14:14 PM PST by goodnesswins (I'm not a great man....I just believe in great ideas! Ronald Reagan)
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To: Longbow1969

The Federal Government needs to step in. If this is allowed to continue in Wisconsin, the entire country is at great risk and all bets are off.


19 posted on 03/01/2011 8:16:26 PM PST by khnyny (What exactly is a CDO??)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca
I know Walker is playing it very cool, but there is only so much that law-abiding, tax-paying citizens should be forced to bear. The unions should be broken, and if the National Guard needs to be brought in to restore order and imprison the corrupt police and union thugs then so be it.

If employers openly banded together to force workers to accept artificially low wages (compared to the free market) then the average person would be outraged. Yet this is precisely what a union is in reverse. It is the consumer who suffers. Unions ought to be flatly illegal, and under the same laws and reasoning as that banning monopolies and collusion among employers.

20 posted on 03/01/2011 8:17:56 PM PST by Liberty1970 (Thanking God for many blessings :-))
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To: exit82

I disagree. If Walker does anything it will pour gas on the fire. He will be smeared by the media as the dictator instead of the AWOL Rats being the issue. If this GOP’er isn’t smart enough to have protection, that seems like a personal matter.

The unions are losing badly here. Every day this filth demonstrates in this fashion, more people peel away their support. The building has already been cleared this weekend by the police. A few militants are still inside but the majority are out. A woman Rep said on Hannity today that things were under control except for the physical disgusting mess they left the building.

Walker still has the upper hand in a state he should be losing on with this issue. The clock has run out for the runaway Dims. Fox reported tonight that the WI Senate Rats were in a panic meeting to see how they could get out of this mess.


21 posted on 03/01/2011 8:18:48 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: tflabo

There has been a new deadline every day, it seems. I no longer pay attention to anything that is said about any deadline.

But it is horrific that the police have decided to no longer protect its citizens. This dereliction of duty should result in these cops being fired.


22 posted on 03/01/2011 8:18:54 PM PST by Joann37
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To: dr_lew

‘course I’m thinking of the 1933 adaptation, THE ISLAND OF LOST SOULS, with Charles Laughton and Bela Lugosi.


23 posted on 03/01/2011 8:20:30 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: khnyny
The Federal Government needs to step in. If this is allowed to continue in Wisconsin, the entire country is at great risk and all bets are off.

Errr, are you forgetting that Obama effectively runs the Federal Government? Walker will get no help from the Feds. If anything, they also support the union thugs.

24 posted on 03/01/2011 8:20:49 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: khnyny

If there were rational adults in the white hut, I wouldn’t be too concerned. There aren’t any and the TOTUS is way above his paygrade here too. If TOTUS dd lay some heavy numbers on WI, they would be the wrong ones.

CDO - Command Duty Officer?


25 posted on 03/01/2011 8:20:55 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: khnyny

Oh, and I might add that the present White House administration will be held accountable from now until doomsday if they screw this up.

Imho, so far they are unanimously succeeding in their continued incompetence and dereliction of duty.


26 posted on 03/01/2011 8:21:02 PM PST by khnyny (What exactly is a CDO??)
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To: wally_bert; All
Surely there is some kind of back burner plan somewhere up there to activate the Guard.

Do you want another potential Kent State situation? I'd let Walker handle it without military involvement.

27 posted on 03/01/2011 8:21:54 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Hamilcar_Barca
I could not believe what scum animals these people really are. Does anyone remember the movie Suddenly last Summer with Elizabeth Taylor? It reminded me of the chase scene...the noise makers included. What is happening to this country...
28 posted on 03/01/2011 8:23:14 PM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: Longbow1969

The courts have no jurisdiction over the Capitol building, its hours or how it is run. Tell the judge to F off.

Tell the Capitol Police to clear the building under a direct order. If they refuse, fire them, and get the National Guard to do the job.

Declare the Dem Senators seats vacant, and set an election date to fill them. If they return, bar them from the building. They have abrogated the terms of their elective office and oaths of office.

Listen, the stakes are too high. This circus has gone on long enough. “We won”—f the Dems. They and their hired goons are trying to paralyze rhe State of Wisconsin. That is anarchy.

To say they can do all this without consequences is to invite instability, disorder and chaos.

If Governor Walker won’t or can’t the job done, then he does need to step aside.

But to wring your hands in the face of anarchy is not an option. If the Dems win this one, it is open season on the whole country.


29 posted on 03/01/2011 8:23:19 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Longbow1969; wally_bert

See post 26. :)


30 posted on 03/01/2011 8:23:24 PM PST by khnyny (What exactly is a CDO??)
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To: Liberty1970

That’s going a bit too far. Lets just outlaw unions for federal government employees. Then let the states decide on their own government employees. But leave the private sector alone.


31 posted on 03/01/2011 8:24:35 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

The password is “Brownshirts.”


32 posted on 03/01/2011 8:25:53 PM PST by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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To: 43north

Yep, right now.


33 posted on 03/01/2011 8:27:20 PM PST by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

Needs to call out the national guard.


34 posted on 03/01/2011 8:27:30 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: wally_bert

collateralized debt obligation


35 posted on 03/01/2011 8:27:34 PM PST by khnyny (What exactly is a CDO??)
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To: khnyny

Sorry had a logic failure.


36 posted on 03/01/2011 8:29:20 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Pour gas on the fire?

Are you kidding?

If nothing happens tomorrow, you have only begun to witness a fire that will spread across the country.

The Dems are using the same tactics in Indiana and now in Ohio.

The hammer needs to come down. This kid gloves approach is asinine and will only invite further chaos.

The Governor was duly elected and is in charge. The Dems don’t like it? They can stay in Illinois.

And any Capitol cop that disobeys a direct order from the Governor can find new employment. End of story.

Restore order. The first function of a civil society.

This is like watching college sit-ins in 1968-70. It was disgusting then and it still is.

The unions have ad their say—now they need to clear out. They aren’t the only citizens of Wisconsin.


37 posted on 03/01/2011 8:34:12 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Jack Hammer

what the difference between a pig and a union pig? I have no respect for police and fire union jerks. Military face far greater dangers and they dont need no stinking union.


38 posted on 03/01/2011 8:34:45 PM PST by Breto (never accept the premise)
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To: khnyny

That is a HORRIBLE idea; in fact, it would be better to get the meanest, angriest, most PTSD-ed Guardsmen [in full battle-rattle with live-ammo and a green-light on shoot-to-kill anything that makes them jump] to act as escorts for the Governor and the Legislators.

i.e. — Virtually certain civilian casualties are more desirable than abdicating *MORE* liberties —and becoming more enslaved to— the federal government.


39 posted on 03/01/2011 8:35:51 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: goodnesswins

Walker has threaten to have to fire/let go the teachers tomorrow if the Democrats do not return. The teachers will be fired no doubt because the Democrats or to chicken to go against the unions. Violence ahead by these union people, but I see no alternative for Gov. Walker.


40 posted on 03/01/2011 8:36:47 PM PST by classified
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To: Hamilcar_Barca
Where is the GOP on this??? ...crickets...

At Michelle Malkin's site, I just read this...

"Breaking tonight…one of the Fleebagger AWOL Senate Democrats has returned to Wisconsin. Via Liberty Chick on Twitter: “Democratic Senator Timothy Cullen has just returned to #WI tonite. WI-14 is now WI-13.”

41 posted on 03/01/2011 8:42:23 PM PST by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: Liberty1970
If employers openly banded together to force workers to accept artificially low wages (compared to the free market) then the average person would be outraged. Yet this is precisely what a union is in reverse. It is the consumer who suffers. Unions ought to be flatly illegal, and under the same laws and reasoning as that banning monopolies and collusion among employers.

Yes, and, along with the fact union thugs have organized a boycott of business owners who contributed to Walker, should, IMHO, put them in violation of the Commerce Clause and freedom of speech. These are government employees who are intentionally trying to harm business, not just in Wisconsin, but across state lines. If Obama thinks he can use the Commerce Clause to force Americans to buy something, we should use it to stop government workers from meddling with actual commerce.

42 posted on 03/01/2011 8:42:24 PM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca
I sent an email in support to this man. NOBODY should have that happen to them! Sen.Grothman@legis.wisconsin.gov
43 posted on 03/01/2011 8:42:36 PM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Even if you are not religious read 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12. That will give you a context to understand what is happening today.


44 posted on 03/01/2011 8:43:00 PM PST by pankot
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To: exit82
The courts have no jurisdiction over the Capitol building, its hours or how it is run. Tell the judge to F off. Tell the Capitol Police to clear the building under a direct order. If they refuse, fire them, and get the National Guard to do the job. Declare the Dem Senators seats vacant, and set an election date to fill them. If they return, bar them from the building. They have abrogated the terms of their elective office and oaths of office. Listen, the stakes are too high. This circus has gone on long enough. “We won”—f the Dems. They and their hired goons are trying to paralyze rhe State of Wisconsin. That is anarchy. To say they can do all this without consequences is to invite instability, disorder and chaos. If Governor Walker won’t or can’t the job done, then he does need to step aside. But to wring your hands in the face of anarchy is not an option. If the Dems win this one, it is open season on the whole country.

I agree with you 100% when it comes to how important this fight is. It Walker fails here, he is done - and it will invite these kind of walk outs all over the US to derail the 2010 Republican election victories.

I like many of your ideas, I wish we could do what you suggest - but most simply are not options.

The court did declare jurisdiction over the Capitol Building and ordered the police to let the mobs back in. I don't like it, you don't like it, it may be wrong - but that is what happened.

There are specific rules, I think constitutional, in Wisconsin over what constitutes a vacancy. Walker can not declare them vacant and set an election. He simply doesn't have that option - at least not yet. Maybe after a substantial amount of time passes it might be something he can look at - but definitely not now.

I know the stakes are immense. I don't agree with this setting deadlines and just letting them pass and then setting new ones. Walker should NEVER have said 1500 state workers would be laid off if he wasn't going to do it.

Through his faults, he is taking on the strongest part of the Democratic Party. He will have to do more to apply pressure, but his options are very limited - especially with the police, courts, media, etc working furiously against him. It might be different if he was decisively winning public opinion - but he is not. At best polls seem mixed. You've got 14 state Senators subverting democracy and now threatening not to come back for the entire term, and there simply isn't a lot Walker can do about it other than try to win the public relations battle over the long term - and that is going to prove very difficult.

45 posted on 03/01/2011 8:44:57 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Breto

>what the difference between a pig and a union pig?

This?
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Pork/


46 posted on 03/01/2011 8:44:57 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Longbow1969
You've got Democratic Senators now talking about staying out of Wisconsin for the entire term if they don't get their way. There is literally nothing Walker can do. Perhaps break up the repair bill and push through the non financial parts is about the only option I see.

Someone posted that Walker can declare the Rat Senate seats vacant after 30 days.

47 posted on 03/01/2011 8:45:50 PM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

Unbelievable! My heart sinks seeing these people behave like a hateful mob. “We want our democracy back” a thug yelled. I think he meant thugacracy. I don’t think most democrats know how to behave in a democracy anymore. It’s all about power for them. Heaven help Wisconsin.


48 posted on 03/01/2011 8:48:16 PM PST by SantaLuz
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To: Hamilcar_Barca

Are you sure that some policeman didn’t let him in the first door he went to? I was at the Capitol last week and saw authorities from every jurisdiction known to law enforcement. I tend to doubt this was the case.


49 posted on 03/01/2011 8:50:43 PM PST by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Jane Long

WI-14 is now WI-13

Does that mean the vote can go on?


50 posted on 03/01/2011 8:51:35 PM PST by stars & stripes forever
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