Skip to comments.Pedophilia a ‘sexual orientation’ experts tell Parliament(Canada)
Posted on 03/02/2011 5:02:39 AM PST by Westbrook
OTTAWA, Ontario, February 28, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) In a recent parliamentary session on a bill relating to sexual offenses against children, psychology experts claimed that pedophilia is a sexual orientation comparable to homosexuality or heterosexuality, a definition that was questioned by one Member of Parliament who was present.
Bill C-54, an Act to Amend the Criminal Code, seeks to increase or impose mandatory minimum penalties or punishment on sexual offenders of children for particular crimes.
Parliamentary discussion on February 14 centered on the mandatory minimum imprisonment and how offenders respond to treatment. Dr. Vernon Quinsey and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, experts on the issue, were called to witness.
When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory, said Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal.
Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, emphasized Van Gijseghem.
True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this persons sexual orientation. He added, however: He may however remain abstinent.
MP Serge Ménard later praised the witnesses. Mr. Van Gijseghem and Mr. Quinsey, said Ménard, corrected some of our impressions.
However, MP Marc Lemay of the Bloc Quebecois challenged Van Gijseghems definition. I have to admit that I was not expecting, on this Valentines Day, to be talking about this inappropriate type of love. It is not really love. It has more to do with violence and control. I am concerned, Professor Van Gijseghem because you say, if I am not mistaken, that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.
That is what I said, continued Van Gijseghem.
Lemay pursued the point, asking if it therefore should be compared to homosexuality.
Yes, or heterosexuality, responded Van Gijseghem. If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.
During his witness, Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queens University, said that pedophiles sexual interests prefer prepubescent children. There is no evidence, he said, that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.
You can manage the risk that sex offenders present - even pedophiles, added Quinsey, Its not necessarily that they need to change their sexual orientation; they need to learn to control themselves, with our help. In my opinion, society and no one around this table will accept pedophilia, even if it is a sexual orientation, said Lemay, I recall a period, not too long ago, when homosexuality was treated as an illness. It is now accepted, society has accepted it I cannot imagine pedophilia being accepted in 2011. You are telling me that even if we were to impose a five-year minimum on people it would not solve the problem. Once they get out of jail, they reoffend. That is worrisome.
One columnist in the Toronto Sun, Brian Lilley, expressed shock at Van Gijseghems testimony: what really shocked me was the Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, who showed up to tell MPs pedophilia was a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality. He argued that its time to take our country back by ignoring the experts.
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As insane as this "doctor" sounds (Imagine a society where heterosexuality is "proscribed". How long would THAT last? What a loon!), he is the leading edge of a juggernaut to normalize every manner of sexual perversion and depredation.
Once homosexuality had been "normalized", I believe that most of us in this forum knew that medical normalization of pedophilia was coming. We just didn't know whether it would come before normalization of polyamory, incest, bestiality, and necrophilia.
Hitting someone on the head with a twenty lb. dumbbell is a workout option.
Heterosexuals do not "grapple".
If it’s an “orientation” the “logic” of the times will eventually go beyond mere decriminalization and lead to positive legal sanction and even facilitation of the perversion.
In that case they can’t help it and should be segregated from children for life and/or sterilized.
Therefore, in a way, I wonder if it wouldn't be GOOD if pedophilia were considered to be an orientation. Rather than elevating pedophilia, wouldn't it serve to diminish the status of "orientation" versus nature's obvious plan? Perhaps it's best if homosexuality is (ahem) on all fours with pedophilia,as orientations.
You just can't call heterosexuality an "orientation." It's observably more than that. Even if one doesn't procreate, the instincts that lead us to the opposite sex are obviously there to serve the propagation of the species.
That is what I said, continued Van Gijseghem.
Heaven help us.
Homos grapple, heteros grope :-P
Homosexuality and Pedophilia and other perversions are loved by Liberals. To liberals bad is good.
Calling normal behavior an "orientation" is part of the plan to normalize deviant behavior.
Just another choice to the deviants.
Here we go. Only those crazy right-wing religious fanatics saw this coming, right? And Libertarians want to leave everyone to do whatever, right?
“Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.”
This was the goal all along.
Leftists infuriate me when you point out what their policies will lead to, then it happens, then they deny that their policies lead to it.
We need to get back to a time when we can segregate, at the state level if necessary, places where liberals can have their policies (and the destructive consequences), and leave the rest of us alone.
Just had to know this was coming. The child molesters are testing the waters for a coming demand for “rights.”
You are exactly right.
In the past I have personalized this argument with people. I try to use a named loved one of theirs. A daughter, granddaughter or someone close to them. I use the example of a pedophile wanting to have a sexual relationship them and then I ask the person what gives you the "moral authority" to say they can't have your relative?? Obviously our society has a "code" that finds it unacceptable - but the usual response is "because it's not right." If the person tries to list any reference to a bible they are trapped because bibles of old still have the listed sin of homosexuality which is "normal" to the brainwashed citizens.
When people refuse to have an established moral code they reap this "benefit" of "everyone does what is right in their own eyes." A pedophile, homosexual or bestiality - hey they are "sexual orientations" leave these poor people alone and let them "enjoy" their lives!
I dunno about that....I've grappled with a few................
Obama's "Safe School Czar" Kevin
"use a condom" Jennings
From the Washington Times...
EDITORIAL: At the president's pleasure
'Safe school czar' encouraged child sex with an older man
September 28, 2009
A teacher was told by a 15-year-old high school sophomore that he was having homosexual sex with an "older man." At the very least, statutory rape occurred. Fox News reported that the teacher violated a state law requiring that he report the abuse. That former teacher, Kevin Jennings, is President Obama's "safe school czar". It's getting hard to keep track of all of this president's problematic appointments. Clearly, the process for vetting White House employees has broken down.
In this one case in which Mr. Jennings had a real chance to protect a young boy from a sexual predator, he not only failed to do what the law required but actually encouraged the relationship.
According to Mr. Jennings' own description in a new audiotape discovered by Fox News, the 15-year-old boy met the "older man" in a "bus station bathroom" and was taken to the older man's home that night. When some details about the case became public, Mr. Jennings threatened to sue another teacher who called his failure to report the statutory rape "unethical." Mr. Jennings' defenders asserted that there was no evidence that he was aware the student had sex with the older man.
However, the new audiotape contradicts this claim. In 2000, Mr. Jennings gave a talk to the Iowa chapter of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, an advocacy group that promotes homosexuality in schools. On the tape, Mr. Jennings recollected that he told the student to make sure "to use a condom" when he was with the older man. That he actively encouraged the relationship is reinforced by Mr. Jennings' own description in his 1994 book, "One Teacher in 10." In that account, the teacher boasts how he allayed the student's concerns about the relationship to such a degree that the 15-year-old "left my office with a smile on his face that I would see every time I saw him on the campus for the next two years, until he graduated."
Mr. Jennings' denials about these events reveal a lack of remorse. He has not admitted that he made mistakes in this case, and he now refuses to answer any questions about the scandal. Don't forget, this is a presidential appointee we're talking about. Mr. Obama should make clear what his standards are for public servants serving at the pleasure of the president. Encouraging and covering up man-boy sexual activity are serious offenses. The White House should force Mr. Jennings to come clean.
I have to believe that it is an orientation, and also believe that it is not curable. I had a client whose husband was like this and he never was able to lick it. She, of course, was heart broken and left him; it even carried over to his own children. So sad. I think castration might be the solution.
Most of us have been saying this for many years. It is a slippery slope of epic proportion. Sexual depravity of any kind cannot be 'normalized' without the next guy saying: "what about me? I'm not that big of a freak now.". Yet, all of the libtards said that argument was unfounded and just Conservative ignorance. Well..................
Which was the whole point of the Aldous Huxley book Brave New World, written in the 1930's. Bad is good. Good is bad. Normal is perversion. Perversion is normal. He saw it coming. We were warned.............
You’re using an argument that I’ve developed recently in a more general manner.
Usually the people who try to say that homosexuality is morally OK use relativism as their justification - ie, you can’t impose YOUR value system on others (which is what they are doing with their relativistic value system - but that’s another argument).
They reject the idea of moral absolutes, especially those written down in the Christian Bible.
However, they don’t really think that way. They believe THEIR value system is superior to yours, but the only way that ANY value system could be better or worse than another is by comparing both to an external absolute standard.
So, they either have to admit that their value system cannot be “better”, or they have to accept the existence of an absolute. If the latter, that absolute has to be referenced and agreed upon by everyone. And where are we to find this? aha!
I agree with you. Modern psychology cannot apparently grasp the concept of sin and temptation so clearly evident in man and described in the Bible. The Bible also offers a cure. We are all essentially evil, each of us dealing with temptation. Christians understand this, repent and gain spiritual support to resist it. What’s a secular person to do when they don’t even accept a moral code beyond what they themselves devise?
America may go back to fiscal conservatism but liberalism is still advancing. Liberals will label pedophilia an “orientation” rather than a perversion or, more clinically, a disorder. Once “normalized” it becomes a “lifestyle” and will be protected under the law. But the outcome will be the same. Society will fundamentally change in character — it will become pagan. If the Christian God is dead... everything is permitted. With the death of Christian values, the family and marriage will be redefined and what where once considered sins — adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, etc., because they weakened the family whose role is to protect children — will be seen as lifestyle choices. And it’s all under the rubric of leftist “liberation” that we have to be thankful for with this Brave New Pagan World. The left will have destroyed the Christian church, marriage and the family and there will be nothing left as a counter poise to the strict loyalty demanded from the state. Sieg Hiel!
Read through the whole thing, and there’s good in it. He’s saying they can’t be cured, it is in their nature. With this testimony there’s a good case to never let them roam free in society.
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Oh My God
Don’t tell me you’re surprised...
So, to this pervert, is rape a sexual orientation? Why stop there, what about sex with animals?
I thought this would happen in the next few years not now. They haven’t won the homosexual battle yet and if people get a load of this, they’ll lose. There may even be a backlash.
The relativism argument will be used to flush out all traditional values so that the vacuum can be filled with leftist values. It’s a technique used by the left, especially by leftist profs on students.
As well, the left is quite use to living with contradiction. Martin Heidegger said that life is essentially, at it’s deepest level, contradiction. This was taken for profundity rather than something to be avoided.
End times, I believe...
things will accelerate, not slow down.
The BIG confrontation is coming, and soon.
if Liberals in Canada manage to legalize pedophilia our whole continent is going down...
Indeed, I’ve found many that are “immune” to logic, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at that, either.
Logic (logos in John 1:1) is from the “mind of God”, and I shouldn’t be surprised that those who reject His Word will reject logic as well.
It was only a matter of time before they started claiming this. I assume it’s been building “under the radar” for a while.
It is so true. They think ugly is beautiful.
“They think ugly is beautiful.”
That’s #23 on the Communist plan to destroy Western Civ:
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
I believe that Ayn Rand was wrong about some important things, but she understood some things very well. She had read her Aristotle. A=A. There are no contradictions. If you think you have found a contradiction, check your premises.
The post-modernists are bad philosophers. Very bad.
You may be right.
some times I wish it would hurry up
No kidding? It seems like it to me.
Meanwhile, we have a job to do
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Go to the link. It has been around for decades..........
Yes, well, being a SOCIOPATH is a “mental condition”, does that mean we ignore the body count?
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
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