Skip to comments.Pedophilia a ‘sexual orientation’ experts tell Parliament(Canada)
Posted on 03/02/2011 5:02:39 AM PST by Westbrook
OTTAWA, Ontario, February 28, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) In a recent parliamentary session on a bill relating to sexual offenses against children, psychology experts claimed that pedophilia is a sexual orientation comparable to homosexuality or heterosexuality, a definition that was questioned by one Member of Parliament who was present.
Bill C-54, an Act to Amend the Criminal Code, seeks to increase or impose mandatory minimum penalties or punishment on sexual offenders of children for particular crimes.
Parliamentary discussion on February 14 centered on the mandatory minimum imprisonment and how offenders respond to treatment. Dr. Vernon Quinsey and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, experts on the issue, were called to witness.
When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory, said Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal.
Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, emphasized Van Gijseghem.
True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this persons sexual orientation. He added, however: He may however remain abstinent.
MP Serge Ménard later praised the witnesses. Mr. Van Gijseghem and Mr. Quinsey, said Ménard, corrected some of our impressions.
However, MP Marc Lemay of the Bloc Quebecois challenged Van Gijseghems definition. I have to admit that I was not expecting, on this Valentines Day, to be talking about this inappropriate type of love. It is not really love. It has more to do with violence and control. I am concerned, Professor Van Gijseghem because you say, if I am not mistaken, that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.
That is what I said, continued Van Gijseghem.
Lemay pursued the point, asking if it therefore should be compared to homosexuality.
Yes, or heterosexuality, responded Van Gijseghem. If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.
During his witness, Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queens University, said that pedophiles sexual interests prefer prepubescent children. There is no evidence, he said, that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.
You can manage the risk that sex offenders present - even pedophiles, added Quinsey, Its not necessarily that they need to change their sexual orientation; they need to learn to control themselves, with our help. In my opinion, society and no one around this table will accept pedophilia, even if it is a sexual orientation, said Lemay, I recall a period, not too long ago, when homosexuality was treated as an illness. It is now accepted, society has accepted it I cannot imagine pedophilia being accepted in 2011. You are telling me that even if we were to impose a five-year minimum on people it would not solve the problem. Once they get out of jail, they reoffend. That is worrisome.
One columnist in the Toronto Sun, Brian Lilley, expressed shock at Van Gijseghems testimony: what really shocked me was the Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, who showed up to tell MPs pedophilia was a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality. He argued that its time to take our country back by ignoring the experts.
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Most of us have been saying this for many years. It is a slippery slope of epic proportion. Sexual depravity of any kind cannot be 'normalized' without the next guy saying: "what about me? I'm not that big of a freak now.". Yet, all of the libtards said that argument was unfounded and just Conservative ignorance. Well..................
Which was the whole point of the Aldous Huxley book Brave New World, written in the 1930's. Bad is good. Good is bad. Normal is perversion. Perversion is normal. He saw it coming. We were warned.............
You’re using an argument that I’ve developed recently in a more general manner.
Usually the people who try to say that homosexuality is morally OK use relativism as their justification - ie, you can’t impose YOUR value system on others (which is what they are doing with their relativistic value system - but that’s another argument).
They reject the idea of moral absolutes, especially those written down in the Christian Bible.
However, they don’t really think that way. They believe THEIR value system is superior to yours, but the only way that ANY value system could be better or worse than another is by comparing both to an external absolute standard.
So, they either have to admit that their value system cannot be “better”, or they have to accept the existence of an absolute. If the latter, that absolute has to be referenced and agreed upon by everyone. And where are we to find this? aha!
I agree with you. Modern psychology cannot apparently grasp the concept of sin and temptation so clearly evident in man and described in the Bible. The Bible also offers a cure. We are all essentially evil, each of us dealing with temptation. Christians understand this, repent and gain spiritual support to resist it. What’s a secular person to do when they don’t even accept a moral code beyond what they themselves devise?
America may go back to fiscal conservatism but liberalism is still advancing. Liberals will label pedophilia an “orientation” rather than a perversion or, more clinically, a disorder. Once “normalized” it becomes a “lifestyle” and will be protected under the law. But the outcome will be the same. Society will fundamentally change in character — it will become pagan. If the Christian God is dead... everything is permitted. With the death of Christian values, the family and marriage will be redefined and what where once considered sins — adultery, prostitution, homosexuality, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, etc., because they weakened the family whose role is to protect children — will be seen as lifestyle choices. And it’s all under the rubric of leftist “liberation” that we have to be thankful for with this Brave New Pagan World. The left will have destroyed the Christian church, marriage and the family and there will be nothing left as a counter poise to the strict loyalty demanded from the state. Sieg Hiel!
Read through the whole thing, and there’s good in it. He’s saying they can’t be cured, it is in their nature. With this testimony there’s a good case to never let them roam free in society.
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Oh My God
Don’t tell me you’re surprised...
So, to this pervert, is rape a sexual orientation? Why stop there, what about sex with animals?
I thought this would happen in the next few years not now. They haven’t won the homosexual battle yet and if people get a load of this, they’ll lose. There may even be a backlash.
The relativism argument will be used to flush out all traditional values so that the vacuum can be filled with leftist values. It’s a technique used by the left, especially by leftist profs on students.
As well, the left is quite use to living with contradiction. Martin Heidegger said that life is essentially, at it’s deepest level, contradiction. This was taken for profundity rather than something to be avoided.
End times, I believe...
things will accelerate, not slow down.
The BIG confrontation is coming, and soon.
if Liberals in Canada manage to legalize pedophilia our whole continent is going down...
Indeed, I’ve found many that are “immune” to logic, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at that, either.
Logic (logos in John 1:1) is from the “mind of God”, and I shouldn’t be surprised that those who reject His Word will reject logic as well.
It was only a matter of time before they started claiming this. I assume it’s been building “under the radar” for a while.
It is so true. They think ugly is beautiful.
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