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Pedophilia a ‘sexual orientation’ experts tell Parliament(Canada)
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | Mon Feb 28, 2011 16:14 EST | Rebecca Millette

Posted on 03/02/2011 5:02:39 AM PST by Westbrook

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To: rawhide
"“True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation.” He added, however: “He may however remain abstinent.”"

I believe this as the truth though. What he is saying is perverts will be perverts, they can't change and those who are true pedophiles don't WANT to change. Stopping them from wanting to have sex with children is like trying to stop you or I from not getting turned on when a beautiful woman (or man) is coming on to you, it just isn't going to happen.

Now that they admit this then they have to admit that you can't cure it either, a pervert will be a pervert in his head no matter how you try to "reform" them. It will be up to them to abstain if they have the opportunity to rape a child because they admit here it can't be counseled out. It will all come down to having to trust them to "do the right thing", which will never work.

A sociopath is no different, and we lock them up forever for societies sake, his admission to this should amount to the same view towards perverts, either lock them up or make it impossible for them to act out their fantasies.

51 posted on 03/02/2011 6:30:58 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Red Badger

Will do. I wonder if the Libs know they are commies or are just stupid?


52 posted on 03/02/2011 6:31:00 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: Red Badger

When does it get added to the Social Justice shopping cart of horrors?


53 posted on 03/02/2011 6:31:08 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Graybeard58
"Heterosexuals do not "grapple"."

If you're doin' it right you do!

54 posted on 03/02/2011 6:31:45 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Red Badger

Hey it is the Democrat Party Platform! They should just change their name to Communist.


55 posted on 03/02/2011 6:32:34 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: screaminsunshine

The Communist goals for America has been around for a long time.
“The Naked Communist” was the book that listed them out, and was written in 1958.

And, they’ve implemented most of them. Back when it was written, people scoffed at any of these goals ever being successful. Well... read them and tell me which ones are “unreasonable” now.

Watch this -
http://agendadocumentary.com


56 posted on 03/02/2011 6:33:09 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Westbrook

More proof that the truce that the RINO’s are calling for on social issues is a very,VERY bad idea...


57 posted on 03/02/2011 6:35:02 AM PST by massmike (DADT repeal: the Boy Scouts now have tougher membership requirements than the Army!)
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To: MrB

It is very obvious. We are being run by the Communist Party USA. They did it.


58 posted on 03/02/2011 6:35:16 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: MrB
Usually the people who try to say that homosexuality is morally OK use relativism as their justification - ie, you can’t impose YOUR value system on others (which is what they are doing with their relativistic value system - but that’s another argument). They reject the idea of moral absolutes, especially those written down in the Christian Bible.

When one of them rails against somebody over being racist or sexist, just ask them "why do you insist on imposing your value system on X?", pointing out that the position that racism is bad is itself a moral judgment. Watch their heads explode.

59 posted on 03/02/2011 6:35:40 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: screaminsunshine

From the Agenda movie: either they’re ignorant or evil, and the more you study the issue, the more you come to the conclusion that ignorance isn’t the likely conclusion.

I think part of it comes from their belief in “utopia” - the promise of the perfect egalitarian society “once we get through the rough part”.


60 posted on 03/02/2011 6:35:46 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Westbrook
Required reading on this topic: The Shadow Sexual Revolution: The Push to Legalize Pedophilia
61 posted on 03/02/2011 6:38:20 AM PST by Bodhi1 (Homeschools for a reason.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Here’s a “head exploder” right here:

“If all morals are relative, how is your sense of right and wrong any better than someone else’s that is exactly the opposite of yours in every way?”


62 posted on 03/02/2011 6:38:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Sometimes I am glad I am old and got to grow up and have fun in a free country.


63 posted on 03/02/2011 6:40:06 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: massgopguy

IT’S #26, UNDER “DEGENERACY”


64 posted on 03/02/2011 6:42:39 AM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: screaminsunshine

50/50 or worse. Half know it and won’t admit it. The other half are too stupid to know it, i.e., useful idiots..............


65 posted on 03/02/2011 6:44:33 AM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: Westbrook

Further down the slippery slope we go.


66 posted on 03/02/2011 6:47:42 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Westbrook
Back in 1994, James Dobson wrote the book, Children at Risk. In it, he documented the testimony before Congress by a member of the ACLU that child pornography should be legalized. The claim by the ACLU was that while the production of child pornography should be illegal, that once it was produced, there should be no penalty to possessing or distributing it.

We must remember that the battle is always fought at the edges. The ACLU position on this will only change when the goal of legalizing sale and distribution of CP is passed. At that time, the argument will be that children have the right to make their own decisions. Pedophile at the door to see your ten year old? Let him in and say hi or go to jail.

67 posted on 03/02/2011 6:48:18 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Red Badger

The reason most sheeperal leftists ARE leftists is to feel good about themselves, to justify the false belief that “I’m a good person”.

This is why they are wilfully blind as to the agenda of the left. To admit they are aiding an evil movement would undermine their whole sense of self worth, and the only other way to turn is unthinkable -

I’m a hopeless sinner, and there is no way I can achieve my own salvation, and the only answer is a Savior.


68 posted on 03/02/2011 6:52:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Westbrook

A truer statement was never spoken. Why does the press ignore the facts: NAMBLA is an international organization of the “gay” community that has promoted this for decades. Members have openly marched in gay pride parades for decades and until the 90s, no normal person said a word. Now they are underground, but nothing has changed. The incidence of male homosexual rape of boys is greater than 90%. The incidence in the hetero pop of male rape of girls is < 5%. I ask you, is the rape of young boys part of the male homosexual lifestyle?? Absolutely.


69 posted on 03/02/2011 7:06:08 AM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Abathar
Here's the danger in this-if pedophiles are "born that way", how is it right to discriminate against them? Do you recognize this argument?

We may agree that pedophiles are very difficult to "cure", but the fact remains that this is all part of a plan to convince the public that pedophiles are not accountable for their actions, and that is very, very dangerous.

70 posted on 03/02/2011 7:11:14 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Westbrook

I was wondering how long this was going to take. It was pretty obvious to the most causal observer that once homosexuality was “normalized,” then all sorts of deviancies would follow.

Same thing for abortion. From abortion to euthanasia, then to compulsory abortions and euthanasia.

All that remains is for the rain of fire and brimstone to fall on us.


71 posted on 03/02/2011 7:20:41 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: liberalh8ter
It's all going according to plan. I expect NAMBLA to start advocating for their “rights”

Yep. They said all they wanted was tolerance. We made the mistake of giving it to them.

72 posted on 03/02/2011 7:20:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Westbrook; Pebcak

I’m sure the fLDS and Warren Jeffs supports this.


73 posted on 03/02/2011 7:58:47 AM PST by MizSterious ("Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." -JFK)
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To: Westbrook
“You can manage the risk that sex offenders present - even pedophiles,” added Quinsey, ...

I wonder how Mr Quinsey would like to "manage the risk" of a half dozen or so pedophiles living in his neighborhood where he raises his own children.

74 posted on 03/02/2011 8:14:01 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

I wonder how Mr Quinsey would like to “manage the risk” of a half dozen or so pedophiles living in his neighborhood where he raises his own children.


Probably by being willing to sacrifice his own children on the altar of political correctness (ie, societal marxism).


75 posted on 03/02/2011 8:17:06 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Westbrook

Homosexual rights, all sexual preferences now have rights, even child molesters. It is a “birth right”.


76 posted on 03/02/2011 8:18:15 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: trisham

What do we do with pyromaniacs, psychopaths, sociopaths, or any other dangerous mental condition people are “born” with? We deem they are too dangerous to society to be left unmonitored and are institutionalized or force-medicated for the public’s safety.

Believe me when I say me feelings on pedophiles go beyond what most people consider revolting in their darkness and I am not making excuses or taking their side at all.

No matter how “progressive” our society gets parents will never let predators stalk their children, this goes beyond our norms and straight down to the primal urges like food and self preservation. Let them try and allow these monsters to roam free by law once they are found, the vast silent majority will be so enraged if they did it the backlash would be immediate and decisive.

In a way I hope they do try and legitimize perverts by using the courts, the topic is so polarizing and the hatred is so strong and deep towards what they are there’s probably no other topic that would bring people from every leaning politically together to crush these ultra liberal morons, this would make Roe vs. Wade look like a small claims case in comparison.


77 posted on 03/02/2011 8:41:21 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar
What do we do with pyromaniacs, psychopaths, sociopaths, or any other dangerous mental condition people are “born” with? We deem they are too dangerous to society to be left unmonitored and are institutionalized or force-medicated for the public’s safety.

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We don't institutionalize/imprison people for who they *are*, but for what they *do*.

78 posted on 03/02/2011 8:53:29 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

True, the only way to identify a pedophile is if they try to rape a child, it doesn’t matter what laws are passed or how they are categorized, that’s always been the case and it will always be illegal.

No matter how we treat them there is no magical way of finding them unless they admit it first (doubtful) or they strike.

We will never allow people to prey on prepubescent children in the USA or Canada whether some idiots categorizes them a certain way or not. If anyone ever did seriously try to allow groups like NAMBLA to practice legally the backlash would be incredibly severe, no matter how they tried to go about it.


79 posted on 03/02/2011 9:16:56 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: DJ MacWoW
, a definition that was questioned by one Member of Parliament who was present.

Only one questioned him. The prof dude is right, though - pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated. That's why they should be executed.

(I'm not too well today but will be around and fighting when I can.)

It is becoming clear to me that the vast majority of Rs, "conservatives", and even religious people are too freaking timid to say a word, as the tsunami of great evil engulfs us. Those who stand up and speak and shout are unfortunately in the minority. But the more we do, others will wake up. That is what is important - like that quote I have to put back on my computer, something like:

Not to speak, is to speak. Not to act, is to act. God is witness to our silence.

80 posted on 03/02/2011 9:21:46 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Abathar

They’re not hard to find. All of NAMBLA’s membership should be investigated and a real crackdown on users, producers, sellers and distributors of child pornography.

The punishment for all of the above should be so severe that they will never re-offend.


81 posted on 03/02/2011 9:25:28 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Abathar

Did you think that we would ever have homosexual “marriage”? Did you ever think that a president of this country would ever put someone like Kevin Jennings in charge of “safe schools”?

http://www.cnsnews.com/node/62810

This is all part of the homosexual agenda, and it is designed to lead us slowly but surely, and unsuspecting, down a certain path. They are “going about it”.


82 posted on 03/02/2011 9:26:22 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; Abathar

Pedophiles and homosexuals are “made” by being molested themselves. There is some hope for homosexuals, there are organizations and therapist that can help those who want to change, as well as religious advisors.

For pedophiles? The only cure is lead or rope.


83 posted on 03/02/2011 9:28:32 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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ping


84 posted on 03/02/2011 9:33:23 AM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: little jeremiah
The prof dude is right, though - pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated. That's why they should be executed.

I have to disagree. If homosexuals can change so can pedophiles. They are both a mental illness.

I have friends in a prison ministry and pedophiles are told in prison counseling to accept who they are as they cannot change. They are urged to control it. They do not receive real treatment. They aren't told it's a sickness. So government employees are encouraging them to "accept themselves" and also to "admit they are homosexual".

85 posted on 03/02/2011 9:35:15 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: trisham

You can’t compare homosexual marriage with pedophilia, what two adults do behind closed doors is nothing compared to innocent children being sexually abused.

The homosexual agenda can only push so far before they hit a solid wall, and that wall is young children. Do you really think any sane people, even most homosexuals (especially lesbians) will allow a young child to be the ultimate sex toy? As I said, this goes down to such a primal, protective instinct for such a huge majority it will never be legalized, in my estimation there would be a civil war before it got to that.


86 posted on 03/02/2011 9:42:03 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: little jeremiah

Not true, I know a pervert right now that grew up in the same town I did that was convicted of it. He was never abused in his life (and yes, I’m sure) but he was caught playing with a little boy while babysitting him for over a year. I know some people say no child is born gay or a pervert, but I disagree with that myself, I’ve seen it.

As far as your cure for them, we see things eye to eye there.


87 posted on 03/02/2011 9:54:15 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Westbrook

I knew the man boy “sexual oreintation” was coming next! This is the main object of the gay agenda as far as activists go. This is why they are piled into the schools promoting anal sex to other people’s children.


88 posted on 03/02/2011 10:05:38 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Abathar

Well, some exceptions. But I think the general rule is true.


89 posted on 03/02/2011 10:46:13 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Abathar
You have no idea what happens in someone else's life, unless you spend 24 hours a day with them for all of that life.

Regardless, anecdotal evidence is almost meaningless.

90 posted on 03/02/2011 10:48:03 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Abathar

I think that you may be naive.


91 posted on 03/02/2011 10:48:58 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Abathar

From the 1972 Gay Rights Platform:

Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.

Pedophilia and homosexuality are joined at the hip.


92 posted on 03/02/2011 10:48:58 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Exactly right.


93 posted on 03/02/2011 10:50:20 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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94 posted on 03/02/2011 10:52:16 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Good points. I have just read over the years that pedophiles never are rehabilitated. But I know that God can work miracles in peoples’ lives.

And if pedophiles or homosexuals are told “you’re born that way and cannot change” it’s pure evil. Pure evil. It’s condemning them to hell.


95 posted on 03/02/2011 11:04:28 AM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Yes. It is. And it’s sad. More than one life is destroyed by lies.


96 posted on 03/02/2011 11:06:07 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Westbrook

Well, duh!

Of course it is an “orientation” like homosexuality. In fact, they very often overlap.

But it’s not who we are attracted to that is the problem. We all have desires that someone may consider dark. No, it’s what we do with those feelings that counts morally.


97 posted on 03/02/2011 11:17:25 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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But it’s not who we are attracted to that is the problem. We all have desires that someone may consider dark. No, it’s what we do with those feelings that counts morally.

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Absolutely correct.

98 posted on 03/02/2011 11:37:44 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MrB
They believe THEIR value system is superior to yours,

That's it in a nutshell. That sounds like a very good technique. Thank you

99 posted on 03/02/2011 11:50:53 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: little jeremiah
And if pedophiles or homosexuals are told “you’re born that way and cannot change” it’s pure evil. Pure evil. It’s condemning them to hell.

Of course. Satan is out to kill, steal, and destroy and to take as many with him to hell as possible.

If he can convince them that there is no hope and they can never change, then they will not try and won't find out otherwise that they can.

100 posted on 03/02/2011 12:48:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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