Skip to comments.High court rules for military funeral protesters (Westboro Nuts Win 8-1!?)
Posted on 03/02/2011 7:27:39 AM PST by Pyro7480Edited on 03/02/2011 7:31:23 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
The Supreme Court has ruled that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount attention-getting, anti-gay protests outside military funerals.
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Unbelievable. I fear their decision on ObamaCare. OTOH, we are free to do the same at funerals for Liberals...
So long as these evil anti-American, anti-Christian thugs are on public property, I agree with the Supremes. The WBB thugs have the same constitutional rights as the rest of us. [My solution: use private property rights to restrict them from disturbing decent people to the maximum extent possible, otherwise tolerate them just like we tolerate those who still cheer for Obama. ]
The father will now be liable for the "legal costs" incurred by the WBC in these court actions.
Not sure I would try it unless you wanted to spend a few days in the slammer. The rules are probably different.
We all (atleast I hope we all know) that the Westboro nuts are democrats trying to make Christians look bad. Someone just needs to post the picture of the head of the cult with Algore.
But this goes to the whole slippery slope. If we stop protest (unless fire in a theater) then we are going to lose more rights. Then they will try to shut down FR because of "hate speech", then the tea party, ect.......
So as much as I hate and despise these democrat cultists, the Supreme Court got it right.
Couldn't have said it better myself. The Constitution is what it is.
The vote was 8-1. We don’t always like the rulings but this comes down to freedom of speech. It really couldn’t have gone another way.
I hate to say it, but I agree with you that the USSC got this one right. As long as WBB members are on public land, they have the same rights as the rest of us. I may not like what they say, but I have to agree that they have the right to say it.
That being said, the personal property idea sounds like the best way to go here. I know most people will want to resort to force to stop this bunch, but you can’t fight stupid with stupid. They’ll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. The better way would be to maneuver them into a position where they can do as little harm as possible and then support the families who are grieving.
Well, they do have the right to do that but what has kept people from doing that in the past is decency, respect and the fear of of a butt whooping by family and friends of the dead something the Westboro bunch don’t seem to have...
When ya think about it, that is only thing that prevents most folks from indiscriminately breaking any of societies taboos.
Those protesters will now be even more hated. They may think they have full license now, but I bet the numbers that protest them will grow even more.
I think I understand the SC’s decision, but what if someone yells “Fire!” in a public place?
Yes, that is what Freedom and 1st Amendment rights is all about....we know the lefties on this court would vote not because of 1st Amendment rights, they voted because of who and what this group is doing and has done...you can bet if it’d been a conservative right wing group those lefties would have voted differently.
Free to do it and doing it are two different thing. I would have absolutely zero respect for anyone that would picket the funeral of anyone. Funerals are not for the dead they are for the living.
That said, I would be in favor of getting in the face of that Westboro Baptist bunch. And I mean getting really in their faces.
Even if the rules were the same for everyone, I still wouldn’t think it right to turn this back on them. We’re Conservatives, this is a Liberal tactic, it may seem like this would be a good way of fighting fire with fire, but the truth is that they would just ratchet up a “gotcha” game and make us out to be the villians.
There are better ways of fighting this bunch, but using their own tactics against them isn’t the way to do it.
Hold a funeral that Westboro is going to protest, move it to private property. The arrest the fools for trespassing when they get well inside of the proerty line.
Well, now the Supreme Court has set precedence with this case...let's see what happens if it does come up - that will be interesting.
while i do not agree with what they were doing I do agree with the ruling.
I would have been very concerned for our future had it had another outcome.
If the court had ruled against them then the left would have used this to attack free speech that they consider anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-leftist.
BTW- they aren’t “fundimentalist church members” the are radical left wing socialists.
Absolutely! One thing that is very true of the US legal system is that they are extremely lazy and instead of making decisions they rely on past decisions.
The Court ruled so in my opinion the tea party protests, pro life rallys, ect.. ALL are protected right now because of this decision.
And every conservative legal team can site this decision if a lib tries to sue us.
In the American system of jurisprudence, "legal costs" are generally nominal -- a couple hundred dollars to a couple thousand dollars depending upon the court system.
I agree. Just because an action is legal doesn't mean there are no societal consequences to those actions.
this does not bother me that much - there are other ways of dealing with these people.
The WBC isn’t a church, it’s a moneymaking scam of the worst kind, which makes them even more despicable.
I think that's the point. I've read elsewhere that this "church" is really a gigantic scam. They deliberately do the most outrageous thing possible to provoke people into attacking them and then they sue. Or they provoke municipalities into denying them rights and then sue them. I've heard they've made a tidy sum through out of court settlements. This is all about money, not some twisted principle.
It’s the right decision - BUT...
there’s is nothing that says you can’t have a municipal ordinanace that protects people from this sort of thing.
Case in point: the “cone” around abortion clinics for protesters...
local ordinances could “cone” funerals...and keep these a**holes away.
A silver lining to this cloud -- They just defeated political correctness!!!!
Political correctness was designed to stop people from speaking out against any left wing special interest group. Citizens were terrorized by the threat of hate speech litigation.
The court is saying there's no such thing as hate speech. We can speak out against any left wing special interest group at any time and in any way.
People have been led to believe otherwise. The court just reminded Americans they DO have a choice and a right to their opinions free from left wing retribution.
Sooner or later this will lead some anguished family member to take private justice against the Westboro demonstrators and that will be another tragedy for the family that was already in mourning.
Ok, so a piece of paper protects them. About as much as a piece of paper protects a woman from her ex-husband/boyfriend/stalker. Some parent or relative might take exception one day to them. Just saying.
I just wonder if this means that these evil scums can show up right in front of a funeral home and protest, or do they still have to keep a distance of several hundred feet?
This is a law firm, NOT a church.
I hate the WBB, but the silver lining is that this is a good precedent that will be valuable down the road.
Of course a few large family members of the deceased might make these nuts very unhappy that they showed up!
There's one thing to be said for laziness, or methodically cautious.
I wish the rest of government worked in the same manner.
The Constitution is the Supreme form of Precedence yet most agencies go wild in writing their own laws of the land.
There is so much that should be squashed as unconstitutional yet how many hours are there in the day for the Supreme Court to decide?
Unfortunately Westboro Church got their 'Pursuit of Happiness' but if they didn't, it would be even more unfortunate for the country as a whole.
Yep. There's no such thing as hate speech. Political correctness is now dead.
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You are correct. The daughter is their ambulance chaser. It’s a set-up. The best thing to do is ignore them.
This "church" is just a family business, and a lucrative one at that. Ignore them and they'll go away eventually.
“what if someone yells Fire! in a public place?”
When is yelling “fire” in a crowded theater protected speech?
A)...when it’s in the script.
B)...when there IS a fire.
There is nothng in the Contitution the allows government to impair free speech under the First Amendment simply because the speech makes people feel uncomfortable. I have read the SCOTUS decision and I concur.
No other decision they could have made if we want to keep freedom of speech.
All that you folks and the Supremes are doing is giving these thugish nuts the absolute right to do absolutely ANYTHING to call the attention of the sycophantic media to their cause.
What's next? They'll be able to picket the funerals of child victims of pedophile sexual abuse to get even more attention or even more heinous tactics?
You people and the Supremes are just blowing the lid off of this kind of thing. What about when they show up at rape trials and claim that women get raped because it's God's judgment and will because America supports gay's, like they protest at these military funerals?
That's only two quick examples off the top of my head. These WBB nuts are ALL trained lawyers. Like the Clintons, they didn't train in law, they trained in the WEAKNESSES in the law and if it can occur to me, it'll occur to them in time too.
Hey, public property, remember? I'll probably get taken down because, hey, it's free speech, right? Who cares about people's feelings or emotions? Long as they get to spew their hatred, you folks are ok with that, huh?
This is a MAJOR can of worms.
Peaceful assembly is one thing, but disturbing the peace is another. Why haven’t the sissified cops arrested these punks when they get loud and distruptive?
The only way to fight them is to ignore them. They are in this to provoke reactions which form the basis of lawsuits. So, sure, maybe rape trials are next. They want people to attack them, or municipalities to ban them, so they can sue. They’re only in it for the money. Once people just ignore them the money will dry up and they will go away. No need to endanger other people’s right to protest.
From the CNN article:
Only Justice Samuel Alito dissented. He said the church’s “outrageous conduct caused petitioner great injury, and the court now compounds that injury by depriving petitioner of a judgment that acknowledges the wrong he suffered,” he said. “In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims like petitioner.”
You're right. The only way they could have decided against WBB was by holding "offensiveness" to be a basis for denying 1st Amendment rights. That would have opened the gates wide for attacks on FR, the Tea Parties, etc. and de facto repealed the 1st Amendment. We're fortunate the leftists on the Court didn't vote with Alito.