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The Four Golden Rules of Firearms Safety
AC ^ | Feb 11, 2010 | Dan S. Defense

Posted on 03/02/2011 9:21:03 AM PST by ArrogantBustard

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To: xsrdx
"Treat every gun as a loaded gun" is fine, but adds nothing that NRA 1 and 2 don't already effectively address with less confusion.

'treat every gun as a loaded gun' is essentially another version of 'all guns are always loaded'... less confusion is absurd...the ASSumption that all guns are always loaded DEMANDS that i verify for myself the condition of the weapon, whether you just 'checked' it and handed it to me, or whether i stowed it in the safe/cupboard/drawer yesterday...

by simply english semantics, 'unloaded when not in use' allows a casual mind to have irresponsible/lazy wiggle room for an ASSumption that "well, since its not in use, it could/should/must be un-loaded", and more possibility for bad results...

now IF you or yer nra endorsed brethren can demonstrably cite/source valid data that shows a statistical advantage to a passive wording when being instructed of handling of dangerous tools, Id love to see it...but i bet that the only *proof* lies in the nra says so...and that just aint good enuff for me...

at the end of the day, both packages of attitudes towards safe handling of firearms accomplish the same goals, for those who are responsible enuff to live by em...i just fail to see why anyone would militantly endorse a weaker wording that may just cost their kids his/her life...

141 posted on 03/03/2011 11:12:09 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: glock rocks; tubebender; SouthTexas; NormsRevenge; B4Ranch

Umm

here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yjLeew3S2U


142 posted on 03/03/2011 12:03:30 PM PST by Pete-R-Bilt (See Dick drink, See Dick drive, See Dick die... Don't be a Dick...)
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To: Pete-R-Bilt

I like bacon. Noah was the crow that ate the silicone sealant out of the window frames at work. He was ADD. About maybe 5% of the population are truly ADD. I was watching the starlings on the power wire today and most of them swooped to the lawn to eat seeds, but a few stayed on the line. I assumed that was the bird’s 5%. They are known as lunch if you’re a kestrel. There’s a strong correlation between the Meyer Briggs group INTP/ENTP with ADD. Don’t know if it’s causal, or even peer review studied. I’m ENTP, and love birds. And bacon.


143 posted on 03/03/2011 3:29:45 PM PST by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: xsrdx

It seems that Cooper assumed some basic common sense while the NRA dumbs it down for those without common sense.


144 posted on 03/03/2011 3:45:02 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Arrogance breeds idiocy.

Once upon a time I had a Taurus .22 LR pistol with a tip barrel that was a knockoff of a Berretta.

While at the range it began double firing.

Fortunately I was observing the rules, treating it as loaded, , pointing it only at the target, ensuring my target and behind.

The gun malfunctioned and fired twice per pull on the trigger.

Accidental, yes.

Negligent, no.


145 posted on 03/03/2011 3:53:08 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Arrogance breeds idiocy. Once upon a time I had a Taurus .22 LR pistol with a tip barrel that was a knockoff of a Berretta. While at the range it began double firing. Fortunately I was observing the rules, treating it as loaded, , pointing it only at the target, ensuring my target and behind. The gun malfunctioned and fired twice per pull on the trigger. Accidental, yes. Negligent, no.

I would hope you would observe NRA Rule one

Keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

If the gun was defective,
the manufacturer is negligent not an accident.

The first thing I would look to would be
lack of cleaning by the operator


146 posted on 03/03/2011 4:11:06 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Eagle Eye

On the tv show Sons of Guns, the daddy test fired a Thompson they were rebuilding which continued full auto after he’d released the trigger. Not slam fire, malfunction. in my experience as an IDPA range officer, I’ve seen slam fires in mini 14’s and SKS’s. I’ve seen several FTF’s where the primer was dented. Cooper was sufficient in all these cases.

OTOH, observing a squib... and praying the shooter heard you shout STOP is a real wakeup.

Shoot fast. Shoot straight. Shoot safe.

Practice. Carry. Glock rocks.


147 posted on 03/03/2011 4:17:21 PM PST by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: glock rocks

btw that was sacrilege what they did to that Thompson


148 posted on 03/03/2011 4:45:34 PM PST by Pete-R-Bilt (See Dick drink, See Dick drive, See Dick die... Don't be a Dick...)
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To: Pete-R-Bilt

I know. Akin to refinishing a musket in flat black and a pic rail. Sick.


149 posted on 03/03/2011 5:05:31 PM PST by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

You do jump to conclusions, don’t you?

Knowledge and wisdom are not synonymous.

Negligence has an actual definition and shouldn’t be bandied about carelessly.

Bottom line is that the NRA rules seem to be very well adapted for those unable to understand Cooper’s 4, and that is from your own admission.


150 posted on 03/03/2011 6:19:17 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Bottom line is that the NRA rules seem to be very well adapted for those unable to understand Cooper’s 4, and that is from your own admission.

Really ??

151 posted on 03/03/2011 6:34:53 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: kevkrom

I was told the gun is always loaded, the dog always bites, and the mule always kicks.
Even as a young child I do not recall taking this to be literal, but to be a cautionary statement to be acted upon until proven other wise.
Unloaded and verified firearms have never loaded themselves in my presence. Nice doggies have quit being nice - but then they are not inanimate objects. No experience with kicking mules.
Where’s that gun cam?
http://montego.roughwheelers.com/Images/s&w.gif


152 posted on 03/03/2011 6:43:33 PM PST by Apogee
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To: glock rocks

if it hadn’t been a knockoff I’d have written a letter to the Parrish Sheriff

the project that had me moist was when they built the ma deuce

mmm 50 cal. anti aircraft weapons...


153 posted on 03/03/2011 10:46:57 PM PST by Pete-R-Bilt (See Dick drink, See Dick drive, See Dick die... Don't be a Dick...)
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To: Eagle Eye
It seems that Cooper assumed some basic common sense while the NRA dumbs it down for those without common sense.

There is some validity to that - NRA sought to develop easy to understand, universally applicable rules that are simple for both novice and expert to implement.

As noted, the major issue with the "Cooper" rules is the "all guns are loaded" assumption. For the expert or journeyman, that might be a useful caution - for someone inexperienced with firearms, it's not instructive.

In practice, NRA 1 and 2 inherently assume a loaded firearm and direct "Always" appropriate action.

3 simply directs that operators unload firearms not under their direct or indirect, immediate control - which cause the majority of unintentional shootings.

154 posted on 03/04/2011 6:44:35 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Gilbo_3
i just fail to see why anyone would militantly endorse a weaker wording that may just cost their kids his/her life...

"Weaker" wording? Precisely the opposite. "Cooper" No. 1 is not helpful to the novice shooter. NRA 1 and 2 actively direct the operator to treat the gun as loaded, regardless of it's condition, without the use of fiction.

NRA 3 directs operators to unload firearms not in their span of control -an element that causes the majority of firearms injury to kids, and the Cooper rules don't address.

"well, since its not in use, it could/should/must be un-loaded", and more possibility for bad results...

Impossible if NRA 1 and 2 are obeyed. "All guns are loaded" is meaningless absent the requirement to safely handle the firearm, it adds nothing.

155 posted on 03/04/2011 7:02:00 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx
whatever, just please dont come around gilbos compound and ASSume that you can pick up a gun that isnt in use and it wont go BANG !!!...

my kids will work on the knowledge that all guns should be considered hot, unless and until they see for themselves...

Please dont waste anymore bandwidth on this semantical masturbation, as Im sure you have a desk full of NRA donation mailers that you really outta be lickin stamps for...

156 posted on 03/04/2011 7:44:25 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3
as Im sure you have a desk full of NRA donation mailers that you really outta be lickin stamps for...

LOL, yes, that's how I renew my instructor creds =).

157 posted on 03/04/2011 8:17:49 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: xsrdx

Quite frankly I don’t have a problem with someone modifying the rules for specific groups, but I do have a problem with someone showing open contempt for someone as iconic as Cooper.

It doesn’t take a lot of guts to challenge a dead guy.


158 posted on 03/04/2011 3:56:47 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Ya know...even compared to yourself you’re not all that.


159 posted on 03/04/2011 3:59:48 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Ya know...even compared to yourself you’re not all that.

I have no clue what you are trying to say.

160 posted on 03/04/2011 4:07:09 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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