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Documents Reveal TSA Plan To Body-Scan Pedestrians, Train Passengers
Forbes ^ | March 2, 2011 | Andy Greenberg

Posted on 03/02/2011 5:55:24 PM PST by CedarDave

Giving Transportation Security Administration agents a peek under your clothes may soon be a practice that goes well beyond airport checkpoints. Newly uncovered documents show that as early as 2006, the Department of Homeland Security has been planning pilot programs to deploy mobile scanning units that can be set up at public events and in train stations, along with mobile x-ray vans capable of scanning pedestrians on city streets.

The non-profit Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) on Wednesday published documents it obtained from the Department of Homeland Security showing that from 2006 to 2008 the agency planned a study of new anti-terrorism technologies that EPIC believes raise serious privacy concerns. The projects range from what the DHS describes as “a walk through x-ray screening system that could be deployed at entrances to special events or other points of interest” to “covert inspection of moving subjects” employing the same backscatter imaging technology currently used in American airports.

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EPIC’s McCall says that [proposed] safeguards are irrelevant: If scanners are deployed in public settings, it doesn’t matter if they show full naked images or merely the objects in a user’s pockets. “When you’re out walking on the street, it’s not acceptable for an officer to come up and search your bag without probable cause or consent.,” she says. “This is the digital equivalent.”

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bodyscan; epic; jbtswin; mccall; policestate; ripamerica; ripliberty; trains; tsa
Link to Freedom of Information Act Documents

TSA is rapidly expanding its power beyond air transport security. You don't need your neighbors snooping on you; TSA has removed the middleman.

1 posted on 03/02/2011 5:55:28 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

I would consider that an act of war by the government upon the citizens.


2 posted on 03/02/2011 6:01:02 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: CedarDave

What will they do about all the concealed carry weapons? If they spot your pistol under your shirt will you get taken down by the SWAT team?


3 posted on 03/02/2011 6:02:06 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: CedarDave

Everyone thought Alex Jones was crazy on FR so who has gotten the last laugh?Mr.Jones.


4 posted on 03/02/2011 6:02:30 PM PST by taxtruth (Don't end the fed,jail the fed!)
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To: CedarDave

They really should use your neighbours to spy on you.

It’s cheaper and they would undoubtedly do a better job.


5 posted on 03/02/2011 6:05:09 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: CedarDave
Why Did TSA Pat Down Kids, Adults Getting Off Train?

Feb 28th 2011

A Florida firefighter says he couldn't believe it when Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents gave "intrusive" pat-downs to passengers including kids getting off an Amtrak train in Savannah, Georgia earlier this month.
Lt. Brian Gamble, 38, of Leesburg, Florida, posted video of the incident on YouTube. And the TSA is now apologizing.

Gamble, who also works part-time as a travel agent, tells AOL Travel News he was bringing a small group that included other firefighters and policemen to Savannah for a Valentine's Day getaway. They were among 30 or 40 people getting off the train when he says TSA officers ordered everyone into the terminal.

"They sent us all into a roped-off holding area and said 'Y'all are going to be searched,'" Gamble says. "We were getting off the train. This didn't make sense."

Once in the area, the group was guarded while TSA officers began doing what Gamble says were "intrusive" pat-downs.

When he saw a family with young kids in the lineup, he took out his camera and started filming. He does not know the identity of the family.

"They were in front of us. They (the TSA agents) started lifting their shirts and wanding them."

Gamble's wife, Traci, 38, and a female friend were also searched and he says female TSA officers made them lift their shirts up to their midriffs and patted their bras.

"One guy went through (Traci's) hand luggage and smelled her perfume and made comments about it smelling good. It was just not professional. It was just weird," Gamble says.

"My wife was livid," he adds. "We thought this is silly, we are being harassed by the TSA."

Nearing the front of the line for his own search, Gamble complained to a TSA supervisor but says he was told to calm down. "They wouldn't give us an explanation for the search."

Meanwhile, the passengers' luggage was sitting on the train platform. So the fireman waved over an officer from the Georgia State Patrol to point that out.

"I explained what was going on, he left for a few minutes and then came back and took six of us in our group and said 'Sorry about that, go get your luggage, you're good to go.'"

Gamble says he would have had no problem with such a search happening on a train, "But getting off the train, that was kind of backwards."

With Gamble's video gaining steam on the Internet, the TSA took to its blog over the weekend to explain what happened.

The TSA's Blogger Bob writes that what the Savannah train passengers encountered is known as a VIPR operation, a randomized search "where anyone entering an impacted area has to be screened."

Such searches – involving federal, state and local law enforcement – were stepped up in 2004 in the wake of the Madrid train bombings in which 181 people were killed, and happen around the country on a regular basis, the TSA says.

"In this case, the Amtrak station was the subject of the VIPR operation so people entering the station were being screened for items on the Amtrak prohibited items list as seen in the video," Blogger Bob writes.

But Bob adds the TSA learned the VIPR operation in Savannah "should have ended by the time these folks were coming through the station since no more trains were leaving the station. We apologize for any inconvenience we may have caused for those passengers."

The TSA says the passengers did not have to go into the terminal to leave the station. But Gamble says the TSA agents didn't give them a choice.

"Their apology is kind of lame," he says. "I thought this whole thing was very unprofessional and very shady."

6 posted on 03/02/2011 6:06:53 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: CedarDave
It's gotten to the point where I'm far more afraid of the government than I am of terrorists.

The Powers That Be can stop you for any reason, audit you for any reason, bust into your home at any time without even knocking for damn near any reason, even shoot your dog just b/c they can. And, I just learned that black panthers can intimidate voters at a polling place and the AG thinks that's perfectly acceptable. WTF, America?!???

Innocent until proven guilty? Contitutional protection against illegal search? Doesn't look that way from here. How do we get back to liberty? Or maybe the more accurate question is "Can we get back to liberty?"

7 posted on 03/02/2011 6:09:49 PM PST by GBA (Not on our watch!)
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To: GBA
the researchers were asked to develop a system of long range x-ray scanning to determine what metal objects an individual might have on his or her body at distances up to thirty feet.And these bureaucrats are getting paid for that. The House of Representatives must cut off the money.
8 posted on 03/02/2011 6:30:20 PM PST by tommix2
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To: CedarDave

I called it a while back. Slippery slope and all.


9 posted on 03/02/2011 7:09:05 PM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: saganite

“What will they do about all the concealed carry weapons?...”

BINGO!!!!That’s PRECISELY what this is all about....who’s packing...


10 posted on 03/02/2011 7:12:30 PM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: CedarDave
Homeland Security and TSA are run by absolute fools. This is what happens when a war is dismissed and turned into crime fighting. Terrorists are not going to hijack sidewalks or trains and do strategic damage to America.

The acts of 09-11 were not to simply kill people. That was the obvious tactical event. The desired Strategic event was to damage our military (Pentagon attack), decapitate leadership (failed Congress/White House attack), and most importantly but little recognized, damage our financial structure (World Trade Center).

Terrorists killing a few or even 100s of people in a bombing(s) of sidewalks, trains, or planes will provide no military advantage to them. Unless, of course, our nation is lead by cowards.

11 posted on 03/02/2011 7:14:46 PM PST by XHogPilot
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To: CedarDave

I’m going to give a one-digit salute with both hands every time I have to walk through one of these miserable things.


12 posted on 03/02/2011 7:17:07 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: org.whodat
Our government is outta hand, this is a blatant attack on American liberties.
13 posted on 03/02/2011 7:18:15 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Blogger Bob is obviously this fellow:


14 posted on 03/02/2011 7:32:22 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: CedarDave
It's not about protecting us from terrorists.

It's a psyop designed to make us submit.

15 posted on 03/02/2011 8:04:52 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: org.whodat

Me too.


16 posted on 03/03/2011 6:58:34 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Armaggedon
what the Savannah train passengers encountered is known as a VIPR operation

Vipers, indeed. America is infested with venemous beasts.

17 posted on 03/03/2011 7:11:38 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: CedarDave

Welcome to the USSA, comrade. You know what’s coming.


18 posted on 03/04/2011 5:43:07 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“VIPR” operations against American citizens.

The TSA is beta testing police state controls to see how far they can go without pushback.


19 posted on 03/04/2011 5:46:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CedarDave

What if these people juost told them to shove it and gathered their things and left? Without a warrant what can they do, it’s not an airport secure area or anything.


20 posted on 03/04/2011 5:53:34 AM PST by machman
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To: CedarDave; Quix

From that spaced out, crazy fool, Alex Jones at infowars.com to Forbes.com to freerepublic.com.


21 posted on 03/04/2011 7:34:20 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

It’s a B when the truth finally whams one upside the head enough to be acknowledged as such.

Until then, it’s just a whacky conspiracy theory believed in by kooks like Quix.


22 posted on 03/04/2011 8:00:28 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

“All truth goes through three steps:
1. First, it is ridiculed.
2. Second, it is violently opposed.
3. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident”
— Arthur Schopenhauer


23 posted on 03/04/2011 8:14:11 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...
INDEED.

BTW, speaking of which . . . what do you make of the . . . whatever one can call it . . . the massive earth changes stuff . . . whether massive meteor, 'nibiru' or electrical universe/galactic center issues sort of thing . . . to caus massive tidal waves/quakes etc. ???

John Moore's video here . . . speaks to such:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6Ieca5utqo

And the purported Navy map is here:

Photobucket

I used to pretty much dismiss such stuff. Yet, recently, even some of the better Christian prophetic sources have been affirming something of that scale and sort coming down the Pike.

What's your take on it?

My increasing feeling is . . . OK, LORD JESUS, LET'S BLOW THIS POPSICKLE STAND!

An incredible pic here, BTW,

https://www.akiane.com/store/prince-of-peace.html

from a child prodigy little girl artist at age 8 who'd had Heavenly visitations from a young age . . . affirmed by Colton Burpo in HEAVEN IS FOR REAL from his Heavenly visit as exactly what Christ looks like.

I think I'm ready for HIS good long hug, myself. Sigh.

24 posted on 03/04/2011 8:52:53 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I hope that I live long enough to see it happen because I will at last own waterfront property.

John R Moore talks about “rising oceans” when in fact for the Navy map to be true it would be “descending lands”. A good portion of Nevada is above 3000 feet. A large portion of the Rockies would have to collapse.

Possible, sure. Why not? Look at the detailed plate maps and you can see there is lines that the follow the Navy map. How they came to that calculation, I have no idea. Perhaps someone had a NDE and saw a nuclear sub exploding. There’s an event which would shake the plates as much as a meteor crashing into the earth.


25 posted on 03/04/2011 9:39:14 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 03/04/2011 10:14:59 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

It is ironic this shows up here today. I watched a program on the History Channel last night that was about this very thing and the Rosicrushnas or something like that. The “investigators” on the program interviewed several people and the map they were shown was almost this very one, except it showed all of Oregon, Washington state, California and Mexico under water, along with what this map shows.


27 posted on 03/04/2011 11:21:50 AM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: B4Ranch

Hmmmmmmm

There have been persistent rumor of some sort of time travel capacity . . . and/or

occultic “remote viewing”

and/or ET critters telling them what’s coming etc. etc. etc.

Certainly Scripture about the END TIMES speaks of some major earth changes . . . but in very fuzzy terms.

I’ve tried to find out the source of the Navy’s info but gotten absolutely no where in that effort. You could try your channels.

Bless you Bro.


28 posted on 03/04/2011 12:36:37 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: B4Ranch

I’ve looked a bit at the plate techtonics vis a vis that Navy map. Sounds like you looked at such more carefully.

Thanks for the affirmation of my sense, too.


29 posted on 03/04/2011 12:37:27 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: YellowRoseofTx

If you can give me some keywords about that program, I’ll try and see if I can track that map down.

Would love to compare.


30 posted on 03/04/2011 12:38:24 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: YellowRoseofTx; B4Ranch

May be worth checking out re the purported dwarf star . . . Google blacking out that region etc. etc. etc.

Anyone with telescopes able to check out the coordinates?’

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread670038/pg1


31 posted on 03/04/2011 12:58:26 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Yikes! That Navy map shows our place just about on the coast after the New Madrid blows, or perhaps under water. I’ve wanted to move further east closer to the mountains - but we’ve got to stay “close to Mommy” don’t you know. - I don’t know much about all the new agey sort of stuff, but I guess even the “world” may have a clue in a way ; . . still they rock on.

I’m ready to greet Christ when he returns, too. This world is going to hell in a handbasket it seems; but still the wicked rock on. - J-Lo was bumping and grinding on the t.v. last night and hubby was gazing intently. Who can compete with all that?? Not me; not now.

Feel like a half-eaten, stale Twinkie. - Am trying to fast and pray, but it’s a pitiful effort. - Twinkie


32 posted on 03/04/2011 1:23:03 PM PST by Twinkie ( PEACE)
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To: Twinkie

Praying for you and situation . . . partially fasting.

I do believe the earth changes are coming . . . not sure when or of what parameters. Would sure encourage higher ground! LOL.

Above all . . . walk close to God.


33 posted on 03/04/2011 1:31:18 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

A couple of years ago there was some real good plate maps on the Internet. I can’t locate them again. Probably just forgot the key words.


34 posted on 03/04/2011 3:10:48 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Quix

Rosicrucian Order; Georgia, 2012; solar event; flares; map; under water; Mayan calendar;

that’s all I think of right now


35 posted on 03/04/2011 3:13:11 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: B4Ranch; YellowRoseofTx

The best I know are the Hopi elders map on StanDeyo and the Navy map fm John Moore.

There’s Scallion’s and a list of other occultic derived maps . . . they all have water up the Mississippi Valley more or less to the Great Lakes—some not quite. They all had California severely narrowed at best. Some had Florida gone and some mostly so.

I never felt those maps were very accurate in terms of their details.

Thanks YellowRose. IIRC the Rosicrucians are essentially some variation of Masonic etc.


36 posted on 03/04/2011 3:44:22 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
My first thought is:

1) That'll put one hell of a dent in Aztlan.

2) There'll have to be some *serious* seismic activity to accompany this, as both Northern Arizona *and* Utah are underwater. The Grand Canyon is at 8,000 ft, and there are major mountains in Utah as well...

Cheers!

37 posted on 03/04/2011 3:51:38 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Quix

I had never heard of the Rosicrucian order before the program last night. The investigators talked to NASA as well as other people, I don’t know what to term them......not all of them talked about or showed a map, but one particular guy did. It was all interesting, but I didn’t give it any real thought, (except that all the underwater areas were liberal strong holds..LOL....) until I saw the post here this morning with a similar map.


38 posted on 03/04/2011 3:58:47 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Penguin break:

http://www.webshots.com/pro/photo/3278099?path=/archive-99201102-february-2011

BTW, IF you’ve installed the free software, PLEASE LET ME KNOW and I’ll fwd other shots along the way that I think you might like in your wallpaper/screen saver collection.


39 posted on 03/04/2011 4:24:50 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

ZERO FREAKIN CHANCE.
Nevada is anywhere from 1500 - 10,000 feet of land elevation. Utah starts at a mile and goes UP.

40 posted on 03/04/2011 4:35:12 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Any economy based on Keynesian principles and practices are always ponzi/pyramid schemes.)
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To: Centurion2000

I prefer to think you’re right.

You’d certainly have tons of folks agreeing with you.

However, it seems to me that over history, stranger things have happened.

And this is the era when THE BIBLE says that it will be worse than ever has been and worse than ever will be again in the future of the world.

I don’t think it’s a big thing for God to play with the crust of the earth . . . nor for HIM to allow evil forces to do so.


41 posted on 03/04/2011 4:41:49 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

How precious! Thank you so much for the penguin link!


42 posted on 03/04/2011 9:15:58 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: grey_whiskers

Actually, the South Rim of the Grand Canyon is roughly the same elevation as Flagstaff.

The Grand Canyon Village is in the neighborhood of 6,800+ and other areas along the South Rim can range up to around 7,000 feet. IIRC, the North Rim may be a bit higher.

Topo maps are available here:

http://www.pickatrail.com/sun/g/america/topo_map/grand_canyon_national_park/map.html

The “Navy Map” does not bother with what may end up to be islands in such seas.

I’ve seen several prophetic sources assert that the Grand Canyon will be destroyed.

Certainly we can expect major quakes in the END TIMES.

And, it is likely there will be some major earth areas sinking and some rising. Scripture speaks of every island being moved and every mountain moved. And it sounds like there’ll be at least one major quake felt in devastating terms all around the planet.

I just want to be constatnly ready to meet and go with my Lord Jesus The Christ—King of Kings and Lord of Lords.


43 posted on 03/04/2011 9:46:15 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
And, it is likely there will be some major earth areas sinking and some rising. Scripture speaks of every island being moved and every mountain moved. And it sounds like there’ll be at least one major quake felt in devastating terms all around the planet.

Never made that connection...hmm.

g_w

44 posted on 03/05/2011 5:55:29 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

We see through a glass darkly . . .

Yet, . . . sometimes . . . SOMEtimes

God seems to use virtually every channel possible to warn even sinners, pagans . . . of coming doom.

Nevertheless only HIS WORD

and HIS AUTHENTIC refined, purified, humble prophets are reliable.

imho


45 posted on 03/05/2011 7:05:11 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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