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Government e-mails reveal plot to stall budget repair bill
FOX News ^ | 9:35 p.m. CST, March 2, 2011 | Bryan Polcyn

Posted on 03/02/2011 8:17:58 PM PST by Brown Deer

Before protesters stormed the capitol, the Mayor of the City of Madison tried to pull a fast one. The Governor's budget repair bill was on the fast track, and Madison Mayor Dave Ciesliewicz was racing against the clock to pass new union contracts first.

E-mails obtained by the FOX6 Investigators show that the mayor enlisted the help of State Senator Mark Miller. They both tried to convince the Secretary of State to hold up the bill by taking the maximum 10 days allowed by law before publishing the bill.

They were trying to buy some time so they could ratify new contracts to protect workers from benefit cuts. Citizens for Responsible Government Rep. Chris Kliesmet says, "This suggests, and this is a harsh word, collusion. There is collusion between some politicians and public sector employee unions. Period."

(Excerpt) Read more at fox6now.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: budget; chriskliesmet; collusion; daveciesliewicz; democrats; fleas; markmiller; runandhide; union; unions; walker; wisconsin; wisconsinshowdown
Read the e-mails between Senate Minority Leader Mike Miller and Madison Mayor Dave Ciesliewicz. It appears the 14 Senators orchestrated their trip to Illinois to buy time for unions all over the state to work out new deals.
1 posted on 03/02/2011 8:18:00 PM PST by Brown Deer
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To: Jean S

ping


2 posted on 03/02/2011 8:18:34 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: EdReform; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Brown Deer.

G’night all!


3 posted on 03/02/2011 8:26:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Brown Deer
There is collusion between some politicians and public sector employee unions.

Oooh a realization ... well golly, perhaps better late than never.

4 posted on 03/02/2011 8:31:19 PM PST by glock rocks (I am Dyslexis of Borg. Your ass will be laminated.)
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To: Brown Deer
Our government is comprised of THIEVES!!!
5 posted on 03/02/2011 8:31:31 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Brown Deer

I’ve negotiated numerous labor contracts for public agencies. In most cases, my bargaining team was composed of managers and administrators who were in the same group, for insurance purposes, as the employees the union was representing, and stood to get the exact same benefit increases the union mugged the taxpayers out of. They could also count on getting the same raise as the union members after the contract was settled.

The governing body of the agency invariably had a least one or two, and sometimes a majority, of elected members who were elected with strong union support, and in a few cases even had members of the union elected. The entire process of public agency union collective bargaining is rotten to the very core, and amounts to no less than legally sanctioned plunder of the treasury. No one represents the public and the taxpayer in the process, and if there was any justice the corrupt politicians who foist this system on the American public in many states would find their rotten carcasses rotting in jail.


6 posted on 03/02/2011 8:33:57 PM PST by Spartan79 ("We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a feather-bed." ~ Ths. Jefferson)
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To: Brown Deer

dimoKKKRATS caught red handed fleecing the tax payers to help their union buddies so that they can contribute money to the DNC. Just an old fashion con-game at the expense of the tax payer.


7 posted on 03/02/2011 8:36:58 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Brown Deer

Who cares? Nobody gets fired, nobody pays a price, Anarchy is reigning at the WI Capital, Nobody is arrested. It’s all about PR, not law and order.


8 posted on 03/02/2011 8:48:03 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Brown Deer

“They both tried to convince the Secretary of State to hold up the bill by taking the maximum 10 days allowed by law before publishing the bill. “

hmmmmmm....Secretaries of State.....bought off by Soros.

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/12/04/soros-eyes-secretaries/print


9 posted on 03/02/2011 8:50:20 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Brown Deer

10 posted on 03/02/2011 10:02:35 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives"-Ataturk)
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To: Brown Deer
"That's the way collective bargaining works. It ought to be a negotiation, but at the end of the day we want to have good working relationships between labor and management here in Madison."

Good relations and no money works for me.

11 posted on 03/02/2011 10:02:36 PM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: Parley Baer

The Unions might as well officially become part of the DNC. Or is that the DNC become part of the Unions? Hmm.


12 posted on 03/02/2011 10:09:56 PM PST by matt04
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To: Brown Deer

ping


13 posted on 03/02/2011 10:27:03 PM PST by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: Brown Deer; Diana in Wisconsin
For the WI ping list.

They were trying to buy some time so they could ratify new contracts to protect workers from benefit cuts. Citizens for Responsible Government Rep. Chris Kliesmet says, "This suggests, and this is a harsh word, collusion. There is collusion between some politicians and public sector employee unions. Period."
Just as has been speculated on the WI board!
14 posted on 03/02/2011 10:59:23 PM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: Brown Deer

Every last one of these pond scum-swilling reprobates oughta be found dancing under the trees with their loafers two feet off the turf.


15 posted on 03/02/2011 11:28:23 PM PST by HKMk23 (It won't be "Justice" until wicked people fry.)
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To: tennmountainman

Yep. You nailed it. There won’t be any repercussions for the Dems. There never are, and I imagine some GOP members will take the fall without any support, solely because the GOP doesn’t have a slush fund of taxpayer dollars to spend.


16 posted on 03/03/2011 12:18:45 AM PST by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: Brown Deer

Crooked!


17 posted on 03/03/2011 1:03:14 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: Mortrey

The Secretary of State project.

Thank you for the link.

I live in one of those states...


18 posted on 03/03/2011 1:19:31 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: Brown Deer

Democrat corruption in a concentrated parasite nest (”city”) like Madison, Wisconsin?
No. That just can’t be. I’ll believe it when our crackerjack FBI hands up the indictments.


19 posted on 03/03/2011 1:27:17 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Brown Deer
Chris Kliesmet says, "This suggests, and this is a harsh word, collusion. There is collusion between some politicians and public sector employee unions. Period."

Finally they are starting to wake-up. See this post from me last night,

58 posted on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 7:56:52 PM by EBH

And I have been saying this for awhile and being politely FR ignored. I am tellin' you all if we don't start muckraking the democrats across the coals and forcing prosecutions we're are going to lose the battle to keep our country a Nation of Laws!

IF the GOP won't prosecute, and we really need to stop depending on them to do this, it is up to We the People to demand justice!

20 posted on 03/03/2011 3:30:17 AM PST by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: EBH
forcing prosecutions

Absolutely. Where the heck are the conservative lawyers? IF we don't have enough we better start training some.

We gotta start putting corrupt marxists in jail.

Pronto.

21 posted on 03/03/2011 3:31:49 AM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: paulycy
Where the heck are the conservative lawyers?

I don't know, but they sure seem to be hiding like democrats. Keep in mind they would be going up against a very dangerous mafia like machine. It would be prudent to understand it is not just about their lawyer fee's etc., but it would also require their security and protection.

The GOP is too RINO(chicken) to do this. It is going to be up to We the People and we must find our courage and bravado NOW.

22 posted on 03/03/2011 3:37:25 AM PST by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: Brown Deer

Collusion? We all knew it!

Are there real journalists in Wisconsin ?


23 posted on 03/03/2011 3:40:28 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Brown Deer
Any apparent quid pro quo, and they should all be pilloried in the streets!
24 posted on 03/03/2011 3:46:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: EBH
it is not just about their lawyer fee's etc., but it would also require their security and protection.

I do understand how serious it is. But it must be done. I just hope we can find the will and the people to do it.

This is a real war. We need to fight it or roll over and watch our republic die. I don't want to do that.

25 posted on 03/03/2011 3:50:39 AM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Spartan79

Thanks for your personal testimony about how corrupt and self serving union contract negotiations are in the public sector. In the private sector shareholders are represented at the negotiating table. In the public sector taxpayers have no representation at the negotiating table. Taxpayers only have hacks who pretend to be negotiating on their behalf


26 posted on 03/03/2011 3:50:49 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: Tzimisce

EVILDOERS


27 posted on 03/03/2011 3:59:39 AM PST by Carley (WISCONSIN STREET NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: Brown Deer

thanks for the information. there is probably a lot more to come. keep in mind Dane County being the liberalist county in Wisconsin. The State Offices being staffed by primarily Democrats as employees will show forth a lot more corruption and greed to slow the attempts of Governor Walker.

There will be more complicity discovered within the ranks of the State Employees in Madison. It will not just by the Secertary of states Office, it will include department of administration employees department of Transportation, Police Capitol, City, County and State, Fire and others.

having lived in Madison. My eyes were opened to lots of issues that I never saw before in my lifetime. In doing a required practicum course for working with people whom are developmentally disabled in supported employment. My eyes were opened to the issue of a ‘partner’ of an attractive female. A partner being her female partner.

I asked to switched to a different worksite immediately for the practicum. I was switched to a Christian organization Intervarsity Christian fellowship to do my practicum of people with dvelopmental disability in Supported Employment. A much nicer place to finish the requirements for a BSW. An MSW had a whole different requirements and a different set of learning experiences.

One thing I can remember being told I must be able to be come more tolerant of others with diverse views and so forth. My response was no I do not have to be tolerant , because the tolerance to my own diverse views is being told I am wrong. Being a conservative in Madison was a challenge.

Unfortunately there will be more corruption and diversionary tactics discovered at many levels throughout Dane County, City of Madison and within the State of Wisconsin, governemt at all levels.

As FR do we expect not to see how corrupt and devious the Democrats are. They will not go out of power unless the kick and scream and strive to do collusion, corruption and even commit crimes to justify their existence. A democrat whom is in power will not go without striving to destroy an entire State, so the union idiots can foster their own deception.


28 posted on 03/03/2011 4:14:06 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Brown Deer; Jean S; All

What these IDIOTS at the city level fail to realize is that they’ve just signed their LIVES away to the unions! Once the budget is passsed, and it will be, the money flow from State Government to the cities and municipalities will be drying up!

So, they have essentially locked themseves in to more costly union contracts...and there won’t be money to pay for them! (Not that there even is now!)

So, look for garbage strikes and no road repairs in your near future! Hope you don’t need a cop or a fireman or an EMT to help yo, because they’ll be on strike, or so short-handed as to be unavailable!

Thanks again, Liberals! Man, you guys sure know how to screw the taxpayer at every turn...all for the benefit of your union buddies! Grrrr!


29 posted on 03/03/2011 4:39:48 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Brown Deer

Meanwhile, as everyone is focused on the corruption issue, the rush to get new public sector contracts to protect workers from benefit cuts will amount to a huge tax increase in local communities, if Walker’s budget repair bill passes. There will not be the state funds supplied to the local communities to cover the union mandated (negotiated) increases - as was done under Doyal et al in the past.

If the bill passes, then the unions and their shills in the Dem Party will attempt to blame locally imposed tax increases on Walker.


30 posted on 03/03/2011 5:19:15 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Brown Deer

The other half of collusion is kickback


31 posted on 03/03/2011 5:26:09 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Brown Deer

In public school they taught us that this sort of thing is called a conspiracy!
arrest them all!

Put an end to the machine!


32 posted on 03/03/2011 5:48:53 AM PST by devistate one four ( AARP: Anti America Retired People Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: tennmountainman

And what are the dull-witted, useless pubs doing about it? Nothing. Not a damn thing, as usual.

Oh, wait. They’re accommodating them by meeting secretly with them at their beck and call.

Bastards all.


33 posted on 03/03/2011 5:59:29 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: EBH

I agree. The GOP are a bunch of wimps. Waiting and relying on them to do anything right is stupid.

How many of these jurisdictions/municipalities succeeded in getting their contracts done while Walker and the pubs jerked off, too chicken to even pass a voter ID or bust up some gun laws while waiting for the unions and the slob commie government bastards to get their ducks in a row for their fatassed contracts??


34 posted on 03/03/2011 6:04:52 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: Brown Deer

Ouch.....if only we had an honest media that would be reporting this with the same enthusiasm as they’ve reported the protests.


35 posted on 03/03/2011 6:08:10 AM PST by liberalh8ter
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To: ratsreek
I disagree with you on some points. Walker and the GOP have stood firm, resolute. I have walked to the Capitol amid this crowd and been inside and it is intimidating. The cowards are the fourteen senators who have run from their responsibility. There have been people working round the clock for days now trying to bring some force to the absent dems. People have been intimidated and I don't just mean at the Capitol and on the isthmus of Madison. The real intimidation isn't occurring there where there are cameras and it is public. There are leftists whose entire world view is confined to the isthmus...including the mayor, but the Union thugs have been having private “conversations” at private businesses to intimidate people who oppose them in other parts of Madison, in other parts of Dane County and other parts of the state. It is chilling.
There are cowards in the GOP, no question, but there are some people working very, very hard to honor the constitution and the laws of the land and yet bring force to bear on these fourteen cowards. The Unions have a long and remarkable history of graft, corruption, intimidation, violence and general lawlessness....it is nearly impossible to counter that with meaningful civil response, especially when local law enforcement is unwilling to cooperate. The teachers have now demonstrated that they follow the unions/Dems and support those same tactics of general lawlessness.
It is a hostile environment in Madison, but there are a few very brave people willing to try and bring force to bear on these fourteen cowards. It is not as easy as it appears from a distance.
36 posted on 03/03/2011 6:39:07 AM PST by madinmadtown (Marx, the patron saint of blame, envy and destruction.)
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To: ratsreek
I disagree with you on some points. Walker and the GOP have stood firm, resolute. I have walked to the Capitol amid this crowd and been inside and it is intimidating. The cowards are the fourteen senators who have run from their responsibility. There have been people working round the clock for days now trying to bring some force to the absent dems. People have been intimidated and I don't just mean at the Capitol and on the isthmus of Madison. The real intimidation isn't occurring there where there are cameras and it is public. There are leftists whose entire world view is confined to the isthmus...including the mayor, but the Union thugs have been having private “conversations” at private businesses to intimidate people who oppose them in other parts of Madison, in other parts of Dane County and other parts of the state. It is chilling.
There are cowards in the GOP, no question, but there are some people working very, very hard to honor the constitution and the laws of the land and yet bring force to bear on these fourteen cowards. The Unions have a long and remarkable history of graft, corruption, intimidation, violence and general lawlessness....it is nearly impossible to counter that with meaningful civil response, especially when local law enforcement is unwilling to cooperate. The teachers have now demonstrated that they follow the unions/Dems and support those same tactics of general lawlessness.
It is a hostile environment in Madison, but there are a few very brave people willing to try and bring force to bear on these fourteen cowards. It is not as easy as it appears from a distance.
37 posted on 03/03/2011 6:39:27 AM PST by madinmadtown (Marx, the patron saint of blame, envy and destruction.)
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To: ratsreek
I disagree with you on some points. Walker and the GOP have stood firm, resolute. I have walked to the Capitol amid this crowd and been inside and it is intimidating. The cowards are the fourteen senators who have run from their responsibility. There have been people working round the clock for days now trying to bring some force to the absent dems. People have been intimidated and I don't just mean at the Capitol and on the isthmus of Madison. The real intimidation isn't occurring there where there are cameras and it is public. There are leftists whose entire world view is confined to the isthmus...including the mayor, but the Union thugs have been having private “conversations” at private businesses to intimidate people who oppose them in other parts of Madison, in other parts of Dane County and other parts of the state. It is chilling.
There are cowards in the GOP, no question, but there are some people working very, very hard to honor the constitution and the laws of the land and yet bring force to bear on these fourteen cowards. The Unions have a long and remarkable history of graft, corruption, intimidation, violence and general lawlessness....it is nearly impossible to counter that with meaningful civil response, especially when local law enforcement is unwilling to cooperate. The teachers have now demonstrated that they follow the unions/Dems and support those same tactics of general lawlessness.
It is a hostile environment in Madison, but there are a few very brave people willing to try and bring force to bear on these fourteen cowards. It is not as easy as it appears from a distance.
38 posted on 03/03/2011 6:39:46 AM PST by madinmadtown (Marx, the patron saint of blame, envy and destruction.)
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To: EBH
I don't know, but they sure seem to be hiding like democrats. Keep in mind they would be going up against a very dangerous mafia like machine. It would be prudent to understand it is not just about their lawyer fee's etc., but it would also require their security and protection.

Even if it doesn't involve personal security, the Machine would also make it a point to make the lawyers' other clients miserable. Visualize somebody compiling a list of companies and individuals that the lawyer has represented, and posting the list as "These entities are associated with anti-labor lawyer Joe Smith"

39 posted on 03/03/2011 6:48:23 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: madinmadtown

I’m interested in hearing more about these off-site intimidation encounters you speak of. How many? Where? Whom? Of what nature are the tactics used?


40 posted on 03/03/2011 6:57:22 AM PST by ratsreek
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To: Brown Deer

[It appears the 14 Senators orchestrated their trip to Illinois to buy time for unions all over the state to work out new deals.]

So how do they plan to pay for these “deals” when they do not get the money from the state? They plan to hold over the publics head massive layoffs of teachers, firefighters, and cops, and massive cuts in services unless they agree to tax increases.


41 posted on 03/03/2011 7:23:48 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Brown Deer

This is not good faith negotiations, and people should be presecuted.


42 posted on 03/03/2011 7:24:39 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Brown Deer

Just goes to prove that when it comes to contract negotiations between the politicians and the unions no one is looking out for the taxpayers.


43 posted on 03/03/2011 7:33:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Brown Deer

I read the article.

Does anybody have any idea to what extent new contracts have been signed and sealed while the 14 are on the lam?


44 posted on 03/03/2011 7:41:07 AM PST by ratsreek
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