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NEW YORK PLANS GUN REGISTRATION
boblonsberry.com ^ | 03/03/11 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 03/03/2011 7:04:23 AM PST by shortstop

First they came for our bicycles.

Now they’ve come for our guns.

One day after word leaked of a New York State plan to require license plates and annual fees for bicycles, information has gotten out about pending legislation that would register and attach a fee to every firearm in the state.

Already one of the most anti-gun states in the country, New York’s move would all but nullify the Second Amendment.

At issue is Senate Bill 2994, which is linked in its entirety at the bottom of this column. It would require every gun owner in the state to make a list of their firearms, to include make, description and serial number, and file that list with the county clerk.

Further, gun owners would have to specify where in their homes each of their firearms were stored when not in use.

And there would be a $25 fee charged for each gun – which would have to be renewed annually at a cost of $10 each gun.

Firearms owners would be issued a photo ID listing the guns registered to their name.

If a gun was sold, swapped or stolen, that information would have to be filed with the clerk.

Failure to obey any particular of the proposed law would be a misdemeanor.

Why do they want to do this?

Here’s what a memo from the sponsor says: “Through the use of an annual firearm registration, we are able to have better tracking supervision of the firearms circulating in New York State. There are many firearms that are illegally possessed in New York State but by implementing a constant registry of firearms we can come a step closer to identifying those illegal firearms. Also with this annual registration of firearms, firearm owners are better protected by law if the firearm is stolen or lost and something unfortunately happens with their particular firearm.”

Better tracking supervision of the firearms circulating in New York?

Is it the government’s business to track or supervise the firearms in the state?

Notice that this bill isn’t just about handguns – which are already registered in the state – it is about all guns. That means family heirlooms and hunting guns are also subject to registration, and expensive ownership fees.

Registration is the foreplay of confiscation, and this piece of legislation would put the physical location of every legal gun in the state at the touch of the government’s finger. The government would know who had guns and where they kept them.

And so too, presumably, would anyone who filed a freedom of information request. New York has already held that its pistol permits – which include personal information as well as a list of handguns owned – are public records. This new list of guns and gun owners would also be a public record.

Which means the bad guys have just learned where every gun is. That tells them what houses are unprotected, that tells them what houses they should burglarize.

And with the list of where each gun is stored, it will make burglary all the easier.

This bill is an assault on freedom, a disrespect to the Second Amendment, and a perfect illustration of the burden of oppression New Yorkers suffer under. It is part of the ongoing enshackling of the American people.

It is the insane perspective of big-city liberals, this is a good thing. This is a play to a progressive constituency which is intolerant of any perspective other than its own.

Prospects for passage are uncertain.

New York’s governor is an anti-gun Democrat. New York’s Assembly is controlled by anti-gun Democrats. New York’s Senate is controlled by Republicans. But they have a one-vote margin, and – it being New York – some of them are anti-gun.

So this bill has a fair chance of becoming law.

Which means a test of how much people will take might be coming.

Because this is none of the government’s business. Gun ownership should not be subject to an annual fee. Gun registration is un-American. Carrying around a photo ID to prove you’ve registered your deer gun is offensive.

And many New Yorkers won’t take it.

This may be the one that drives the law-abiding into law-breaking.

Because my guns are none of the government’s business. And where I keep them is none of the government’s business. And I’m not going to pay an annual fee to exercise a constitutional right.


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I'll bet the boyz in the hood will be first in line to register their guns for fear by being hit with a misdemeanor.
1 posted on 03/03/2011 7:04:25 AM PST by shortstop
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To: shortstop
Holy Mother-Of-God CRAP.

I am SO f***ing happy I left that bottom-feeder of a state.

2 posted on 03/03/2011 7:06:36 AM PST by Lazamataz (Scott Walker: Please FIRE.... then APPOINT... then VOTE.)
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To: shortstop

Pffft... patently UnConstitutional.


3 posted on 03/03/2011 7:08:09 AM PST by Obadiah (If you were going to shoot a mime, would you use a silencer?)
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To: shortstop
"family heirlooms"

I think guns mfg before 1898 are not considered firearms.

Just one more reason to move out'a Dodge.

4 posted on 03/03/2011 7:10:41 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Obadiah

Cue up the NRA...


5 posted on 03/03/2011 7:10:43 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: shortstop
"There are many firearms that are illegally possessed in New York State but by implementing a constant registry of firearms we can come a step closer to identifying those illegal firearms."

NO - IT WON'T

6 posted on 03/03/2011 7:11:34 AM PST by smokingfrog ( BORN free - taxed to DEATH (and beyond) ...)
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To: shortstop

NY arguably the worst anti-gun anti-self defense sh!thole in the US. NY needs to be given to Quebec killing two birds with one stone. Getting rid on NC and sticking it to Quebec.


7 posted on 03/03/2011 7:11:34 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: shortstop
NEW YORK PLANS GUN REGISTRATION

it should say

NEW YORK PLANS Illegal Alien REGISTRATION

8 posted on 03/03/2011 7:12:29 AM PST by STD (Love Your God, Love Your Neighbor!)
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To: from occupied ga

We should swap out all of New England for Alberta.


9 posted on 03/03/2011 7:13:02 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: shortstop

Who in their right mind would live in New York.


10 posted on 03/03/2011 7:13:16 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: shortstop
This may be the one that drives the law-abiding into law-breaking.

see tag

11 posted on 03/03/2011 7:13:45 AM PST by Roccus (Pass enough laws and EVERYONE becomes a law breaker.)
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To: Paladin2

mostly works for me, but VT and NH aren’t too bad.


12 posted on 03/03/2011 7:14:37 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: shortstop

New York needs more Detroit experience.


13 posted on 03/03/2011 7:15:19 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: shortstop
There are many firearms that are illegally possessed in New York State but by implementing
a constant registry of firearms we can come a step closer to identifying those illegal firearms.

Words fail me. We're feckin' doomed.
14 posted on 03/03/2011 7:15:23 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ladyjane

Who in their right mind would even go there to visit and spend money there?


15 posted on 03/03/2011 7:15:45 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: ladyjane

“Who in their right mind would live in New York.”

My 65 year old father in Upstate NY.

He says he’ll be the last conservative standing and will not be driven from his home.

The man’s a fighter.


16 posted on 03/03/2011 7:16:34 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: ladyjane

I’ve been asking that question of myself a lot lately.


17 posted on 03/03/2011 7:16:36 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: ladyjane
Who in their right mind would live in New York.

Would you believe that a New Yorker implied that I was crazy for calling NY an anti-self defense s**thole. I don't remember who.

18 posted on 03/03/2011 7:17:32 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Paladin2
From the web:

"Although your State and local laws may vary, any firearm with a frame or receiver that actually made before Jan. 1, 1899 is legally "antique" and not considered a "firearm" under Federal law. This refers to the actual date of manufacture of the receiver/frame, not just model year or patent date marked. (For example, only ***low serial number*** Winchester Model 1894 lever actions are actually antique.) No FFL is required to buy or sell antiques across state lines. They are in the same legal category as a muzzle loading replica. I regularly ship them right to people's doorstep via UPS, with no "paper trail." Think of it as the last bastion of gun ownership and transfer privacy. "

19 posted on 03/03/2011 7:18:11 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Roccus
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against... We’re after power and we mean it... There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Reardon, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.” - Ayn Rand, ‘Atlas Shrugged’ 1957

L

20 posted on 03/03/2011 7:21:05 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lazamataz

Ditto.

Though I was amused by seeing how extreme a gun I could get there. Sheriff was amused when I aked for his signature for an NFA 12-ga pistol.


21 posted on 03/03/2011 7:24:02 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: shortstop

Sounds more like you have a criminal populance, not criminal guns.

What a duffass!

Leave the state and take your money with you, fools.


22 posted on 03/03/2011 7:25:28 AM PST by devistate one four ( AARP: Anti America Retired People Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: shortstop

no, No, NO!


23 posted on 03/03/2011 7:28:16 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: basil
Who in their right mind would even go there to visit and spend money there?

Unfortunately, I have family there and because my mom is there (especially) I travel to that s***hole of a state at least once a year, to visit the last few good people in the state

24 posted on 03/03/2011 7:28:21 AM PST by Lazamataz (Scott Walker: Please FIRE.... then APPOINT... then VOTE.)
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To: shortstop

FUNY. If they want money they should put a $100/year tax on every illegitimate kid living in the state. That should rake in $100 million easy.


25 posted on 03/03/2011 7:29:35 AM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

blah blahhhh, blah blah blah blah blahhhhh, blah blah blah blah blahhhh, blah blah blah blah...BLAH!!! Hey!

;-)

I think they’ll make the standard protestations, send out to the membership the usual mailers for more donations (which will pizz off a lot of people for some reason), I guess some believe they do, or can do, this stuff for free...

At the end of the day I am glad I don’t have to do a damn thing with my guns...

New York gets what it votes for...


26 posted on 03/03/2011 7:33:13 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: shortstop
make a list of their firearms, to include make, description and serial number

A few of my firearms never had serial numbers.

firearm owners are better protected by law if the firearm is stolen or lost and something unfortunately happens with their particular firearm

If your gun is stolen, report it to the police. You're protected. That's how it works now, and this won't help any better.

27 posted on 03/03/2011 7:33:29 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: shortstop

Reason number 237 why I will not take up my sisters request for me to move back to NY. Sorry anout that sis.


28 posted on 03/03/2011 7:33:57 AM PST by CPOSharky (After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF.)
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To: ladyjane
Who in their right mind would live in New York. To answer your question mostly people who have their jobs, business and family there that cannot afford to just quit working one day and move somewhere else. It's not that easy to just move away. At least not until you retire and then have no other choice.
29 posted on 03/03/2011 7:34:16 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: Paladin2

That’s federal law. NY law, and definitions of what constitutes a firearm, may differ.


30 posted on 03/03/2011 7:35:04 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: shortstop

Guess they just like giving SCOTUS the additional opportunities to say “NO!”

Hard to feel sorry for New Yorkers though. When you elect the fornicating son of Mario the Pious as your Governor, what can you expect?


31 posted on 03/03/2011 7:35:07 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lurker

YUP. Read it in the 60’s...and in the 70’s...and in the 80’s...and in the 90’s.

When I first moved to WV from NYC in ‘02, I had a conversation with a young college student. She had just taken a trip to Fun City and she asked me, “Why do they have so many rules in New York?” I pretty much replied with my tag line. Three days later I gave her a copy of the book. The last time I saw her (still in ‘02) she was carrying it around with a highlight pen as a bookmark.


32 posted on 03/03/2011 7:35:23 AM PST by Roccus (Pass enough laws and EVERYONE becomes a law breaker.)
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To: Lurker

The movie is coming out soon brother Lurker...


33 posted on 03/03/2011 7:35:46 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: shortstop
The whole dad blamed northeast is FUBAR in the original meaning of the 'word'.

I guarantee you will never again find me north of Tennessee and east of the Big River.

34 posted on 03/03/2011 7:36:59 AM PST by Tupelo (The Boudicca from Wasilla supporter)
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To: neverdem

Ping


35 posted on 03/03/2011 7:38:38 AM PST by decimon
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To: shortstop
We be havin a Jennin .22. Da cereal numba be groun off.
We be keepin it in my butt crack when we not be usin it. We be keepin it my croch when we gunna use it.
36 posted on 03/03/2011 7:38:38 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Lazamataz

Right, right - vote with feet - while we still have the freedom.


37 posted on 03/03/2011 7:42:39 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: from occupied ga

NH gun laws are great and may soon get better - our legislature is considering doing away with CCW registration entirely (like VT and AK). New York sucks in just so many ways...


38 posted on 03/03/2011 7:43:41 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: IMR 4350
We be havin a Jennin .22. Da cereal numba be groun off.

LOL! I actually have one! It works great with CCI Mini-Mags. It's my tackle-box gun; won't cry if it falls in the lake!

39 posted on 03/03/2011 7:45:56 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: stevie_d_64

No less than Bill Clinton credited NRA with making the difference in Algore’s losing presidential campaign.


40 posted on 03/03/2011 7:50:26 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Go Hawks !)
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To: shortstop

“And there would be a $25 fee charged for each gun – which would have to be renewed annually at a cost of $10 each gun.

Firearms owners would be issued a photo ID listing the guns registered to their name.”

No. Period.

Will happen only over my dead body.

Being elected to office does NOT mean that I must stand and salute any damned unconstitutional crap you run up the pole. The utter CONTEMPT held by our “leaders” for the Law is becoming manifest.


41 posted on 03/03/2011 7:50:26 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: shortstop
What's next, registering every bullet?

I have an idea, lets ban Crime, hey it works every time it's tried. /s

42 posted on 03/03/2011 7:51:02 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: shortstop
Any public official that is afraid to be surrounded by armed constituents is a public official that the constituents need to be armed against.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

43 posted on 03/03/2011 7:51:48 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: shortstop

I ain´t registerin´ no guns. F ´em.


44 posted on 03/03/2011 7:52:10 AM PST by onedoug (If)
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To: andy58-in-nh
NH...

That's why I wouldn't want NH and VT to be annexed by Quebec. As for the rest of New England - no loss.

New York sucks in just so many ways...

It's the people who live there. The little tin tyrants that NY sends to Kongress and their own legisature aren't elected at random. They're elected because they reflect the attitudes of the majority of the voters in their districts. Every time I look at what some retard in NY government does that further limits the freedom of the morons who live there, I see more proof that New Yorkers want to be slaves, that New Yorkers are afraid of freedom, that New Yorkers want to be helpless, etc. New York is a tumor on the body politic.

45 posted on 03/03/2011 7:53:23 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: shortstop
...implementing a constant registry of firearms we can come a step closer to identifying those illegal firearms.

Unbelievably naive. Just plain stupid.

46 posted on 03/03/2011 7:53:47 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: CPOSharky

“Reason number 237 why I will not take up my sisters request for me to move back to NY. Sorry anout that sis.”

What an amazing coincidence, its also reason # 237 that I will be moving my high-earning, high tax-paying butt out of NY at the earliest opportunity.


47 posted on 03/03/2011 8:04:35 AM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: from occupied ga

The liberals in this once great state have destroyed it. I seriously doubt that anything utter than government shutdown and a civil war would change anything.

There are so many great things about New York, but the government has infiltrated so much of our lives.

I went to a local gun show a few weeks ago. As I entered the venue, I was asked if I had (my legally registered handgun) on me. Like an idiot, I said yes. They then said I could not enter the venue until it was tagged with an electrical tie to prevent it from being fired.

Yes, it is an offender protected society and the law abiding citizens have their rights taken away.


48 posted on 03/03/2011 8:06:39 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: TexasRedeye
implementing a constant registry of firearms we can come a step closer to identifying those illegal firearms

Just plain stupid.

I disagree. If you substitute "firearms not held by government agents" for "illegal firearms" then it makes perfect sense. The people in favor of this want ONLY the police and military armed. In their minds every gun not in the hands of police IS an illegal firearm.

The anti-gunners never rest. They never give up. They cannot be reaoned with. They have no pity on citizens who want to protect their families and property from unorganized and organized thugs. They cannot be compromised with because they never willingingly concede anything. Every restriction they gain is always a "good first step." When their schemes inevitably fail to produce the stated goals, it's always because "We didn't go far enough." This struggle can only end one of three ways.

  1. We are completely enslved by a police state government that will mke the soviet union and nazi germany look benevelent
  2. We who believe in freedom are kill by their beloved police
  3. They and their goons are killed

49 posted on 03/03/2011 8:07:02 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
The liberals in this once great state have destroyed it,

That is exactly my point. The liberals are the vast majority of the inhabitants. NY isn't an anti-self defense sh!thole because of the weather or the topography. It's because of the people who live there.

50 posted on 03/03/2011 8:10:06 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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