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Illinois Gun Info Plan Is Misguided and Dangerous
Fox News ^ | March 03, 2011 | John R. Lott Jr.

Posted on 03/03/2011 7:42:17 AM PST by JohnRLott

Suppose you or your family are being stalked by a criminal who intends to harm you. Would you feel safer putting a sign in front of your home saying "This home is a gun-free zone"? Would it frighten criminals away?

Most people understand that guns deter criminals. But, despite strong opposition from the Illinois State Police, Democrat Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan seems determined to publicly identify gun and non-gun owners across the state. For some unknown reason, The Associated Press made a Freedom of Information Act request to the police.

One would think that people in Illinois of all places would understand this problem. . . .

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gunregistration; illinois; johnlott

1 posted on 03/03/2011 7:42:21 AM PST by JohnRLott
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To: JohnRLott
Suppose you or your family are being stalked by a criminal who intends to harm you. Would you feel safer putting a sign in front of your home saying "This home is a gun-free zone"?

Even without someone stalking you, would anti gunners display such a sign?

I carry a .45 'cause they don't make a .46

2 posted on 03/03/2011 7:45:55 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: JohnRLott

The only gun law that makes sense is the 2d Amendment.


3 posted on 03/03/2011 7:46:25 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: Puppage
I carry a .45 'cause they don't make a .46

But they do make a .50!

4 posted on 03/03/2011 7:47:07 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Puppage

The biggest gun free zones in the country—schools & the post office.

That’s why nothing ever happens there.


5 posted on 03/03/2011 7:47:28 AM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: JohnRLott

Laws of unintended consequences here. Publishing the names of gun owners also demonstrates those who are NOT gun owners!


6 posted on 03/03/2011 7:48:46 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: JohnRLott

7 posted on 03/03/2011 7:51:08 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: TexasRedeye

I was originally thinking the other way,
that these lists make the gunowners targets for burglary.

Guns are probably the easiest thing to turn over for cash
out of anything you could steal.

So, just look at the list, pick out a few names, watch their houses, determine when they’re gone, and go in and find the guns.


8 posted on 03/03/2011 7:53:50 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: JohnRLott
For some unknown reason, The Associated Press made a Freedom of Information Act request to the police.

Come on, don't be coy John. We know exactly why the left wants to publicly parade this personal information - it is designed to intimidate.

They wish to paint a target, not the fanciful rhetoric targets that they accused Sarah Palin of using but real targets onto anyone who doesn't step to their beat. And they are willing to subvert the plain meaning and intent of the FOIA in order to exploit it to their advantage.

We saw the same malevolence at play with FOIA requests for initiative signers in order to intimidate voters. The requesters were the same kind of slimy leftists whose only interest in the law is how they can work it to their advantage.

9 posted on 03/03/2011 7:55:51 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: JohnRLott

Still, it would be fun to widely publicized the names of gun owning gun-grabber politicians...


10 posted on 03/03/2011 7:57:35 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 772 of our national holiday from reality. - It's almost 3 AM)
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To: rockrr
--exactly--

--we Nevadans, by the way, are in the process of putting a stop to this with a sure-to-pass bill going through the legislature now---

11 posted on 03/03/2011 8:03:39 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rockrr; JohnRLott; neverdem; narses; SunkenCiv
For some "unknown" reason, The Associated Press made a Freedom of Information Act request to the police.

Come on, don't be coy John. We know exactly why the left wants to publicly parade this personal information - it is designed to intimidate.

They wish to paint a target, not the fanciful rhetoric targets that they accused Sarah Palin of using but real targets onto anyone who doesn't step to their beat. And they are willing to subvert the plain meaning and intent of the FOIA in order to exploit it to their advantage.

We saw the same malevolence at play with FOIA requests for initiative signers in order to intimidate voters. The requesters were the same kind of slimy leftists whose only interest in the law is how they can work it to their advantage.

Repeating what you said above, but notice what this “research start” that having the whole list available to the AP gives the liberals in AP. By having everyone’s name and address, the AP (actually, whoever the originator gives the list to) then searches the list of gun-owners for secondary “crimes” and associations. Republicans obviously, but also politicians, right-wing web site writers, current political donor lists, tax roles, recent lawsuit victims (er, litigants) future political donors, corporate owners and witnesses, etc.

And - ANY "future" newsmaker's name gets scanned through the AP "filter of gun owners" so this background information is immediately available to the AP blackmailer (er, writer.)

12 posted on 03/03/2011 8:07:35 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: JohnRLott

It’s called leftist intimidation.


13 posted on 03/03/2011 8:12:15 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: theDentist

EXCELLENT SIGN!!!


14 posted on 03/03/2011 8:18:45 AM PST by American Quilter (Fire the striking Wisconsin teachers--and their Democrat congressional traitors.)
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To: rellimpank

In the case of voter registration roles (which are public), they likewise wanted to cross-reference to initiative signers which would inductively tell them (generally) how a person votes - which is supposed to be secret and sacrosanct.

The court (I believe our state supreme court) agreed that the public interest in access to public documents outweighed any theoretic acts to subvert it. Dunderheads!

I am working with a newly elected state senator to introduce similar legislation to what you are pursuing in Nevada.

Good luck to you!


15 posted on 03/03/2011 8:18:57 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Sorry, I meant to cc you on my #15 above.

One suggestion that I made to my representative is that, if we cannot ban the practice outright, we should restrict access to one request=one record. That way they would have to file tens of thousands of requests in order to take a comprehensive “peek” at the database.

Charge a nominal record fee. That fee becomes compounded over the thousands of requests.

And require full disclosure of who is requesting the information. Name, address, and daytime phone number.


16 posted on 03/03/2011 8:26:44 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: rockrr
We saw the same malevolence at play with FOIA requests for initiative signers in order to intimidate voters.

Could you eleborate? was this something pertaining just to Illinois and some ballot initiative there?

17 posted on 03/03/2011 9:11:35 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: JohnRLott
Plan Is Misguided and Dangerous

That pretty much describes EVERYTHING the liberals advocate.

18 posted on 03/03/2011 9:12:33 AM PST by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: Puppage
I carry a .45 'cause they don't make a .46

They used to. The first big bore cartridge handgun was the 1863 Remington New Model Army first converted at the factory in 1868 from cap and ball to fire .46 rim fire cartridges.

19 posted on 03/03/2011 9:20:20 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: JohnRLott

Actually, what the AP is requesting is the names of all people who hold FOID cards. Despite the name of the card - “Firearm Owners’ Identification Card” - it does not identify the holder as a gun owner. What it does is grant the holder the right to possess a gun and to purchase guns and ammunition. You can have an FOID card without purchasing or owning a gun. Often people who go hunting but borrow or rent a gun to do so will get an FOID card so that if they get stopped by the cops there’s no issues raised.

I’ll agree there’s probably a pretty strong correlation between FOID holders and gun ownership, but the way that the stories are being written it makes it sound as though Illinois has a gun registry, or a list of everyone in the State who owns a gun. That’s not so.


20 posted on 03/03/2011 9:32:44 AM PST by RonF
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To: JohnRLott

There’s a common misunderstanding on these Illinois threads and that is that if one has an F.O.I.D. card that one owns a gun. That card only allows you to own a gun and purchase ammo. It does not mean that you are a gun owner.


21 posted on 03/03/2011 9:33:53 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: JohnRLott

To be fair; it seems to me that it’s the Associated Press that intends to publicly identify FOID card holders. Lisa Madigan’s job is to see that the law is properly enforced. If the law requires disclosure of this information then she’s bound to pursue the appropriate course of action. I have no illusions as to what her personal opinions on the matter are likely to be, but it’s her job to follow the law even so.


22 posted on 03/03/2011 9:35:53 AM PST by RonF
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I didn’t want to drag this thread too far off topic but I did want to point out the similarity in tactics.

In Washington state we’re dominated by lefties who consolidate and acquire power by any means available (sound familiar?!). As a result of that dominance in the state legislature we have a healthy grassroots initiative process at play by the conservatives. If the legislature won’t do their job the people will do it for them - directly ;-)

So ACORN came in and did a FIOA request of every signer of an initiative that the left was fighting in order to confront people at their homes about their choices - clear and malevolent intimidation. Our state supreme court decided in their favor.

This was covered in at least one thread on FreeRepublic last year and I’ll see if I can find it for you if you’re interested.


23 posted on 03/03/2011 9:49:07 AM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: theDentist
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24 posted on 03/03/2011 10:22:53 AM PST by doc11355
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To: rockrr

yes, thanks. they sound similar.


25 posted on 03/03/2011 10:26:00 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: rockrr

IIRC, California backers of Prop 8 ? (against gay marriage) were listed and then bullied and picketed at home.


26 posted on 03/03/2011 10:35:13 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: American Quilter

There was a story with it when it originally was posted in FR. The neighbor complained to police, who measured it’s size, location etc and told the neighbor it was a legal sign.


27 posted on 03/03/2011 11:56:59 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: theDentist

That makes it even better! Thanks for telling me.


28 posted on 03/03/2011 12:14:22 PM PST by American Quilter (Fire the striking Wisconsin teachers--and their Democrat congressional traitors.)
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To: JohnRLott

Treasure trove for criminals.

Check the gun list prior to a home invasion.

Know in advance where you can rape, rob, terrorize with impunity.

Pretty much drops work related injury down to nothing.


29 posted on 03/03/2011 3:27:24 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Robert A. Cook, PE.


30 posted on 03/03/2011 6:59:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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